of what the criminal trial to look like. >> do you think he has a case to move this to federal court and how quickly could this all be resolved? >> he definitely has a case. some would say a very good case. it is an exceedingly low bar to get a -- if you're a federal official to have that matter moved to federal court. the interesting thing to me is proving that he has a colorable federal offense is one part of the standard to get it removed. but using that defense if federal court, that is where he might find bigger trouble to prove that he was acting under some federal law or interpretation of the koo constitution to achieve that objective rather than pursuing some corrupt self-benefit or benefit to his boss. >> and if he succeeds, trump will try to do the same. but will it be a slam dunk that trump's case will be moved to federal court if meadows succeeds? >> not at all. they are very different in terms of how the court wouldee valute
where it will be appropriate but necessary for biden to craft some kind of an argument saying this is the alternative, this person has been indicted or if there is any outcome to the criminal prosecutions and to make that case and that contrast but to do it right now, everybody could watch the news and see what is going on with trump, for biden to get his hands in it now makes it look like he's involved and he wanted to make clear that that process is playing out independently and has nothing to do with him. >> and he's also got his own problems. namely his support among younger voters and african american voters and hispanics and polls have shown a significant deterioration since the 2020 election. and his allies on the left know he has to make up ground. bernie sanders himself was in new hampshire yesterday, did a rally there and this morning he was asked about the fact that progressives and biden are not only on the same page and he had a message for the folks on the left. >> in this particular time, this
over, so now the trek toward the criminal trials of donald j trump in florida, georgia, washington an new york. tomorrow we'll be watching two key hearings for signs how long that will take. in atlanta, mark meadows will argue that his case should be tr transferred from state to federal court. in washington, the judge overseeing the case will hear arguments over when to schedule the trial. it could be as soon as january. so let's break down the two hearings with our panel of legal experts. former fbi director andy mccabe and carrie cordero and legal affairs correspondent kyle cainy. it is hard to keep track of the mountain of legal problems for donald trump. not just the criminal trials but the civil trials as well. just a brief look at the calendar of the enormous amount of legal problems for the former president. just as the primary season will
be getting under ware and voters will go to polls. it is a real problem here and a cl challenge for him. and the big thing we're watching is the mark meadows case, the white house chief of staff and arguing that he wanted to move this case, kyle, to federal court, get it out of georgia. explain what he's trying to do here. >> sure. so his argument is all of the conduct i'm charged with, everything that they're saying i did was in the course of my duty as the white house chief of staff and that entitled me to have my case adjudicated by a federal court and dismissed because states are not supposed to be able to criminalize the work of federal officials if it is part of their official duties an that is the key fphrase and that is what the state will say. you were trying to help subvert an election. so we're going to see a mini trial play out where the d.a. wants to call witnesses and to talk about you know, what their experience with mark meadows was and it could be an interesting
i saw it as sort of defensive also. >> and the polls also indicate what you were saying there, marg re -- margaret. and donald trump had a commanding lead and it's grown from february to august. 10 points he's up since then. you see ron desantis down 12 points. there has been an uptick among some of the other -- only vivek ramaswamy. and we'll talk about the race in the next segment. but what you i do, mario, about why the candidates are not making any headway in light of these indictments? >> well they're scared. they're scared that 30% of the republican base that donald trump wields, they see that base has been energized going back to the alvin bragg case and they're feared of taking a risk for their prospects. because in order to punch the
ate the two. the former president is in a unique situation as being the executive and so there could be legal questions about whether him and his executive capacity qualified as an officer the way that any other federal employee, so i think those are two different issues. and then of the former federal employees, mark meadows does have the strongest case, that not to say that he will succeed on his claim but he has the strongest case as chief of staff to the former president, because the chief of staff is involved in everything that a president does. and, so, his arguments is not a frivolous claim and it is interesting to see how that hearing plays out. >> there are 19 people here that are charged. i mean, how -- how do you anticipate, kyle, you've covered so many of these criminal proceedings, and this -- they are nothing like this, the form he president and along with 18 others in this racketeering and broad conspiracy case. how will this play out with 19 defendants. >> where we're at right now is