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June 18, 2024
To investigate what happened in the past and apply its own laws. No one in the new team had anything to do with anything that may have happened in 2016. They were making Television Shows at the time. Iral i also said it is credible to me that he would have been influenced by financial or personal motives in carrying out duties as Vice President. A different issue is whether some individual ukrainians may have attempted to influence the 2016 election or thought they could buy influence. That is a...
June 18, 2024
Concerning the allegations, i stressed that no one in the new team governing ukraine had anything to do with anything that may have happened in 2016. They were making Television Shows at the time. I also said that it is not credible to me that former Vice President biden would have been influenced in any way by financial or personal motives in carrying out his duties as Vice President. A different issue is whether some individual ukrainians may have attempted to influence the 2016 election or th...
November 19, 2019
Understand that most of the other people didnt see or didnt consider this distinction that for them it was synonymous. >> well one of the people who saw synonymous turns out to be the president of the united states. i take it you didnt know until the call record was released that the president in that call doesnt raise burisma, he asked for an investigation of the bidens, is that right. >> that is correct. >> i take it since you say that you acknowledge that asking for an investigation of the bi...
November 19, 2019
Meeting between national security adviser bolton and then ukrainian chairman of the national security council. as i remember, the meeting was essential i had over when ambassador sondland made a comment about investigations. i think we all thought it was inappropriate. the meeting concluded. later on in the war room, i may have been engaged in side conversation or had already left the complex because i did not recall further discussion regarding investigations of burisma. third, i did not unders...
November 19, 2019
Burisma but you were trying to separate the two of them in your mind? is that right? >> i believe that they were separate. that -- and this references the conversation i had with mr. giuliani as well. where i think the allegations against vice president biden are self serving and not credible. separate question is whether it is appropriate for ukraine to investigate possible corruption of ukrainian thats may have tried to corrupt things or buy influence. to me thashgs ve, theyre very things. the...
November 19, 2019
Needle. i thought it was an effort to solve a problem. as it turns out, most people didnt consider this distinction. for them, it was synonymous. >> one of those people that saw it synonymous turns out to be the president of the united states. i take it you didnt know until the call record was released that the president and that call doesnt raise burisma, he asked for an investigation of the bidens. is that right? >> that is correct. >> i take it since you say that you acknowledge that asking f...
November 19, 2019
>> and then you see the highlighted portion of the next text. the other is identical to your previous one and then it just adds including these involving burisma and the 2016 i elections. is that sflicorrect? >> he said that is necessary for that date of birth credibl to be credible. >> the ukrainians did not issue the statement. >> no. >> and president zelenskyy did not get the oval office meeting either, did he? >> not yet. >> now, i want to move forward to september. and early september. when...
November 19, 2019
And there rests in the past at prosecuting the previous government. i think mr. lutsenko and i said this to mayor giuliani was interested in preserving his own position. he wanted to avoid being fired by a new government in order to possible prosecution of himself and possibly also this is something in a so by making allegations like this, and making sure that they are reaching u.s. media. i think mr. that he is trying to make himself appear to be an important and influential player. n. the unit...
November 19, 2019
Interference. >> it does not. >> you testified that you and ambassador sondland and mayor giuliani had a conversation about this draft after you received it, is that right? >> thats correct. >> and mr. giuliani said that if the statement did not include burisma in 2016 he leshgs it would not have any correct. is that right? >> thats correct. >> now this was the same rudy giuliani that president trump was discussing in that may 23rd meeting and asked you to -- you and the others to talk, to corre...
November 19, 2019
Be convincing that this government represented real change in ukraine, the statement should include specific reference to burisma and 2016. again, there was no mention of vice president biden in these conversations. ambassador sondland and i discussed the points and i ended the statement drafted by mr. yermoc to include the points to see how it looked. i then discussed it further with mr. yermoc. he said for a number of reasons including the fact that he was still officially the prosecutor gener...