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For winner take all primaries. as you read that and think about it, where do you sense your campaign is on dealing with his concern? >> well, ultimately, governor sununu talked about this a number of weeks. governor of new hampshire. i think he is right that come winter, if there is not a pathway, a real pathway to victory, then folks need to start thinking about closing up shop. i think thats accurate and something that i ascribe to. >> bret: congressman will hurd, former congressman from texas...

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Democrats -- >> but none are over on donald trumps side. >> but thats on the other side, right. that is pulling in the other direction because the primary policy point the democrats have been asserting is were pro border security. you want to raise, as kellyanne conway did today, issues of getting fentanyl when it is coming into -- being smuggled in the country. that came through an official border crossing. >> right. >> and folks making the point that a wall would not have prevented that. the q...

Know, and how are we making sure theres a rational process for immigration that makes it a real pathway to citizenship for a lot of people. thats the debate that so many democrats really want to have. unfortunately, in this context thats the discussion they havent been able to have. >> february 15th is when the government could shutdown again if there isnt a deal. the president continues to raise the specter of declaring a national emergency, which a lot of legal experts say he can do because it...