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running the trump organization. it worked that way in the campaign and in the white house. people like gary cohn, one of his chief economic advisers, peter navarro, he would have them battle it out about tariffs. navarro's side ended in winning. that's also been trump's long-held view about tariffs. gary cohn later resigned, mostly because of that decision made by the president. but he is someone who, in our reporting, shows in recent weeks he's grown more and more frustrated with some of the advice from his straf. he's also grown more and more frustrated more of his staff is leaving, but at the same time, he feels a little liberated, he's been telling people close to him that he wants to trust his instincts, trust his gut. he thinks that's what won him the election in 2016 and that's what he waunnts to rely on more and more in the white house, and we're seeing that this week in particular, the decision on tariffs and the surprising decision on north korea.
>> how much does that thrill you, that he wants to rely on his gut? >> that's a nightmare. this president is uniquely ignorant about the world and policy matters. he believes what he believes, and facts really do not enter into it. he's infamous for not reading anything. so when he watches a glad torial battle between aides on a policy matter, goodness knows what he uses to judge it because he has no independent basis of knowledge. in fact, he chose the viewpoint impose tariffs that 99.9% of economists say is disastrous. i think this chaos, yes, it's how he operates, but secondly, it's a bit of cover for anything that looks like a normal process. this president doesn't know very much. he hasn't made an effort to know very much. he doesn't like being criticized. i think creating this hullabaloo around him distracts people, confuses people, and he meanders
through the scene, popping his head into the white house briefing room to say we're going to have an announcement on korea. and as a result, i think it's becoming more and more chaotic. when you talk to our allies overseas, when you talk to business, they are flummoxed. and listen, it's good to sort of keep them guessing on strategic matters. but on your overall policy views and your overall goals for the administration, for america, it's not a good idea to have everyone confused. >> jennifer, you wrote about the tariffs jonathan was talking about a moment ago, and the republican reaction to them. there's a line from your column, some members of congress are even considering gasp reclaiming their constitutional authority over tariffs. you talked about a rare show of spine from many republican members of the legislature. what's the long-term effects of this? you saw the backlash, the likes of which we haven't seen to the president making the policy decision like the one he did. what's the fallout from that going to be? do you expect there to be more of a show of spine, as you
described it? >> i like to think they have woken up and now they're going to be their own men and women, but i sort of doubt it. they have been extremely comply nltd with this administration. and it is a little bit of a mystery that why on trade would they suddenly perk up. i thing it has a lot to do with republican donors, but more importantly, i think they know that a trade war puts at risk what has been a very good economy. really, the only thing trump and republicans have to run on is the economy. and if they screw that up, and they're not going to be able to blame barack obama for that bought it's their tariff bill, what are they going to run on? so i think they have tried to convince the president to somehow narrow this. unfortunately, you can try to narrow it all you like, but if the remaining parties that are subject to these sanctions desile to retaliate and you go into a full-scale trade war, that will be bad for the american economy. >> we talk about isolation in the context of the president being isolated from his staff or advisers. how about isolation from members
of his party? are we seeing that play out that broadly. when you look at tariffs, you have see blowback like you haven seen before? >> that's true. he is someone who is not a traditional republican by any means. for much of his life, he wasn't a republican at all. while running that campaign, it was very much trumpism more than a republican orthodoxy that he really ran on. to this point, as was just said, he's covered those in the congress, republicans on the hill have not been particularly willing to stand up to him. he still remains more popular than most of them in their home districts. this does seem to be a moment, at least for now, where they're willing to push back. but we'll see how far it goes. >> jonathan, thank you. jennifer, thanks to you as well. as robert mueller's investigation continues to pick up steam, some house democrats are turning their focus to another potential scandal. pt. bt and his associates are facing. alleged hush money paid to former adult film star stormy daniels who claimed to have an
affair with trump more than a decade ago. nine democrats sent a letter to his lawyers demanding answers about that payment. with me is steve cohen of tennessee. he's one of the nine democrats who signed that letter. i just want to ask you, first of all, what your chief concern is as you watch all of this unfold. there are so many layers. manifold layers to this story about stephanie clifford who goes by the name stormy daniels. what concerns you the most, what prompted you to sign your name to the letter? >> there's several factors. of course, the federal election campaign laws is the primary source of our jurisdiction and judiciary and whether they were violated and the payments were made over the limits and without notice and disclosure. and that's the major issue. beyond that, there's just the whole pan aplea of women that have been -- claimed to be attacked by, groped by, harassed by donald trump, which he's denied entirely. but now we see in the case of
ms. clifford and ms. mcdougle that in situations like this, he has used his money to get them to not disclose what he has apparently engaged in sex and how many other times he might have done this. it does bear to his credibility and to his propensities towards harassing and groping women as he said on the entertainment nightly or whatever. >> "access hollywood," excuse me. >> i'm looking at the letter, more than a dozen pages in length. you say, we can assure you we have no interest in mr. trump's personal relationships in and of themselves. what would you like from these two attorneys for president trump, and then you also have david picker here, the chairman of executive officer of american media, what do you hope to get from them in the next couple weeks. >> we hope they would come forward and give us the information about who paid for the -- ms. clifford. it's hard to believe that
mr. cohen would have violated ethics laws that attorneys have to not inform his client of what went on and to pay an amount of money for his client. that's something that could be volitive of new york state ethics laws and something attorneys generally don't do. attorneys are not known to go into their own pockets. i won't go, as an attorney, i won't suggest whose pockets they might go into, but they don't go into their own. that's just bad business sense and bad legal ethics. we would like to know who made the payments and did mr. trump sign them, and david densis or john miller or john barren, or donald j. trump. >> help me with your oversight capacity, how much oversight do you have? what's your sense of what you're able to do? >> the judiciary committee should have oversight over this. in terms of election laws, in
terms of justice and civil jurisdiction. i'm the ranking member on the constitution law committee. but we should also be exercising jurisdiction over gun laws, which are criminal laws, over the justice department and issues concerning mr. mueller and threats to fire mr. rosenstein to get at mr. mueller, but we have done nothing. we're the people's house and we're the relevant committee, not necessarily the intelligence committee, which has responsibilities, but not the same as judiciary, yet our committee because of the actions of our chairman, mr. goodlatte, we have done nothing to look into any of the abuses of the constitution, possible violations of the emoluments cause, obstruction of justice, attacks on the judiciary, and attacks on the press by this presidency and this president. and we should be looking at all of these. but they are in bed with this president, and i think that history will judge this committee and this chairman very harshly, and many republicans harshly, for staying in bed with what i think will be seen to be
the most corrupt, mendacious president in the history of the united states. >> my last question to you is about this moment, and you and your colleagues close this letter by nodding to that. you wreet, in a time of ever increasing concern over sexual harassment and growing appreciation for offering support to victims of sexual assault, that's the impetus for doing in the in part. speak to that a little more. i read that quotation about how there isn't interest principally in the president's personal affairs, but there is a me too moment, the moment we're in right now. >> the letter was signed by several members of the judiciary committee, our chairman, and also lois frankel, who heads up the women's caucus. the women's clocks has been particularly interested in the allegations of trump and harassment of women and sexually overreaching. without acquiescence, without permission. and he's denied it all. and yet these are the type of
instances, and we saw it with gary hart and we have seen it with bill clinton, to where politicians have been involved with sex, and it's become public issues. and it's caused gary hart to drop out of the presidential campaign. it caused bill clinton to be impeached. with this president, nothing is happening. i think there are similar issues, and you know, you saw al franken surrender his senate position for much less than what donald trump has been accused of. donald trump has denied everything, but donald trump would destroy any and all lie detectors that have ever been created. he would burn them all up. >> congressman cohen, we'll leave it there. thank you for the time. the gentleman from memphis, thank you. >> nice to be with you. >> international input. president trump making a number of calls to leaders about his meeting with kim jong-un. what is the plan, if there even is one?
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those two men will meet. with me now is msnbc national security analyst, ambassador michael mcfaul. great to speak with you once again. i want to start by playing an exchange that occurred between hallie jackson and sarah huckabee sanders. let's take a listen. >> is there a possibility that these talks with north korea, with kim jong-un, may not happen? >> look, they've got to folalol through on the promises they have made. we want to see concrete and verifiable action on that front. >> it's possible that could not happen? >> there are a lot of things possible. i'm not going to sit here and walk through every hupthetical that could exist in the world. >> i want to get your reaction, first of all, to this announcement and the way it came about, and your sense of the odds that we'll see a meeting between these two world leaders, that this will be made good on, that these two men will get together in the coming months. >> with respect to the way the announcement was made, let me put it diplomatically, it was
highly unorthodox. obviously, they did this on the fly. his team did not discuss it. it's clear there wasn't a national security council meeting where they sat in the white house situation room and said, should we meet with kim jong-un to try to achieve nuclear disarm ament? they didn't do that. he walked into the room and made a decision. the second thing i want to say, i want to be clear, though. i hope president trump can achieve permanent denuclearization by this strategy. i just fear that he doesn't have a strategy to achieve that objective. if he can, i'll be the first to write one of his letters nominating him to the nobel peace prize. >> that would be extraordinary. i was looking at the column by nick los christophe. he said the pressure he has applied through sanctions maybe got us to this time. the president tweeting, north korea has not conducted a missal test since november 28th, 2017. and has promised not to do so through our meetings. i believe they'll have to honor that commitment. you talk about how unorthodox
this is. i wonder how sure you are of the offer that's been made here. we learned about it through a third party. what has to be done between now and the meeting to insure that all of the grounds are met, or to the liking of the u.s. and north korea? >> well, that's exactly the point. and that's why i think the press secretary was hedging there whether or not this meeting will take place. because president trump said the goal of these negotiations are permanent denuclearization in north korea. i have never heard of a north korean leader ever agreeing that that should be the goal of negotiations. so maybe there's a garble here, maybe they're hinting at that for the future, but that creates a big disconnect between what president trump wants and what the north koreans are desiring from this meeting. and there's one other piece here, when the press secretary sanders said, we haven't given up any concessions. that's not true. agreeing to meet with kim
jong-un, that's a concession. that is giving up something for nothing. so if the president has this summit and nothing is achieved, that's a win for the north koreans, and that is not in america's national interests. >> last question here is just about how handicapped we are diplomatically at this point. we do not have a u.s. ambassador to south korea at this point. the point person for north korea issues stepped down recently as well. how much of a handicap is it not having that personnel in place? able to help lay the groundwork for these negotiations. >> i think it's a huge handicap. you know, i worked at the white house for the first three years of the obama administration when we negotiated the new start treaty with russia to limit nuclear weapons. we had a full team. we had dozens of people in the government at the secretary of state level, undersecretary, at the national security council. all experts on nuclear weapons. and people like me, experts on russia. they don't have either of those two categories. they don't have the north korean
experts, as you talked about, but they also don't have the nuclear weapons experts. they haven't named any of those people in the state department. that, i think, is a big constraint. diplomacy is a team sport. it's not tennis. and for the president just to roll in without having that team in place, i think, puts him at a big disadvantage. >> mr. ambassador, always a pleasure. thank you very much. michael mcfaul, now at stanford university joining me. >> next, an enticing letter. details of an invitation president trump sent to vladimir putin in 2013. r: as you grow ol, your brain naturally begins to change which may cause trouble with recall. - learning from him is great... when i can keep up! - anncr: thankfully, prevagen helps your brain and improves memory. - dad's got all the answers. - anncr: prevagen is now the number-one-selling brain health supplement in drug stores nationwide. - she outsmarts me every single time. - checkmate! you wanna play again?
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and i couldn't ask for a better partner. welcome back. i'm david gura. this afternoon, women and the cloud being cast over the trump white house. "the washington post" reporting on a personal letter president trump wrote to vladimir putin back in 2013 asking him to attend the 2013 miss universe pageant in moscow. evidently, in a handwritten post script, he said he looked forward to seeing beautiful women on the trip. it comes as the plot thickens as we learn more about the alleged extramarital affair between the president and the porn star. his personal attorney used trump organization e-mail to make hush payment arrangements with stormy daniels. that contradict what he said about how that $130,000 payment went down. joining me is an msnbc analyst, danny cevallos, and a political reporter with the daily beast. let me start with you and the
letter getting a lot of attention. shane harrison's colleagues reporting on the letter sent by donald trump to president putin. what's the significance of it, having the postscript written in sharpie at the bottom of the lett letter. they haven't seen the letter, but it's been described to the reporters. >> it could substantiate the claims made in the steele dossier, that trump was provided russian prostitutes that he denied. that tidbit saying he's looking forward to seeing beautiful women, is he talking about possibly getting prostitutes come to his hotel, or referring to the women involved in the pagea pageant? who knows, but it could substantiate those claims. my question is how did mueller get this letter? mueller is so far ahead of the game, more than we can even realize, in order to -- he got this letter in his hand. we know it didn't come from trump. we know it didn't come from putin. that in and of itself is so fascinating to me. it just goes to show trump's obsession with putin when he's publicly made it known that he
doesn't know putin. he doesn't have that kind of a relationship with him. senting a personal letter to him inviting him to the pageant says something otherwise. >> i want to spend some time on the $130,000 payment. i read the piece in the times this morning. she wrote as the drama unfolds, it's becoming clear for all its sordid details, it's not a sex scandal. it's a campaign finance scandal, a transparency scandal, and potentially part of an ongoing national security scandal. what's changed in the last couple days? what have we learned in recent days that contributed to our understanding of what may have transpired between the two of them? >> we learned of the countersuit from stormy daniels and her attorney, braking the fact she's not going to apply with this nda because the president, she contended, did not sign on to the document, which she had assumed he would have, being involved in the scenario. secondarily, we also learned that michael cohen, despite saying different things about where the source of the money
was coming from, exactly how he had informed trump or if the president was aware at all he was doing this, that he was using his trump organization e-mail to actually coordinate some of the transactions from this bank, which raises tons of red flags in terms of how the money is being funneled and if it can count as some kind of in-kind contribution for a campaign given the timing of the arrival of the money, which was in october, right before the election. >> just want to read here that initial statement from michael cohen, neither the trump organization nor the trump campaign was party to the tranls action with ms. clifford and neither reimbursed me for the payment either directly or indirectly. let me ask you about the case made by stephanie clifford and her attorney. what's the strongest facet of it? there's this election law case being made. the case about the nondisclosure agreement, the signature, how much that matters. hot is your sense of the strength of the case? >> clifford's case and her attorneys don't care so much about the campaign fnls issues. her strongest argument is that this agreement is no good
because trump was never a party to it. and the more words that come out of michael cohen's mouth, the more problematic this becomes because in looking at the contract, you can infer that there was an intentional effort to cloud who the parties were. if you look at the signature line, michael cohen signed on behalf not of trump, but e.c., or essential consultant. when you look at the rest of the contract, each page is initialled. here, the plot thickens because in the line where you should initial for d.d., it's not initialled d.d. it's initialled e.c. not m.c. for michael cohen, but e.c. for the entity essential consultants. this further clouds the question of who was a party to the contract, and the more the defends in the case cloud the issue, the more a judge is likely to resolve it in their favor. however, the trump team has some solid arguments because they built a very strong arbitration clause, one that clearly favors
team e.c., team trump, team michael cohen. it's very strongly worded in their favor. and the law tends to favor the arbitration of disputes rather than resolving them in court where the parties have agreed to arbitrate. and nothing can get away from the fact that ms. clifford, stormy daniels, did originally sign an agreement that contained that arbitration provision. >> took the money. i want you to respond to that. i'm also curious what the risks are as you see them if it gets out of arbitration, if she's able to keep it in court. is there any lueke hood that happens given what we have now? >> first, i think michael cohen should be disbarred. that mob mentality doesn't belong in a court of law. irrespective of all that, what stormy daniels is doing right now is essentially obtaining her goal. however this may resolve itself in court, there are obviously issues that need to be rezauchbled. there's a disputed issue there, but what she's trying to do is get her narrative out there and
get her story out there. all the while, she's making millions. she's getting the goal attained from the perspective of her career. she's making millions for appearances all over the country. but michael cohen making this payment from the extent that he went through, to get a home equity line in order to make this payment, you don't make that kind of payment unless you know you're being paid back. and these alleged complaints he's making that he hasn't been reimbursed, if your think you're reimbursed, clearly, trump made a promise to reimburse you. whether he paid this out of his own pocket for trump, the intent is important. did you make this payment in order to influence the campaign results or the election results? well, if the answer is yes, then that is an excessive contribution to a campaign. if trump paid the money out of his own pockets, which he can actually do, it's not illegal to pay for someone's silence, but if he did that, he failed to disclose that. so either way you slice it, something is wrong. i mean, there's suspicion,
obviously, there should be. there should be anfession, whether the fec is going to make a criminal reference to the doj, we don't know, but the real mvp right now is stormy daniels. she's making her millions just like trump used the system to make his. >> thank you very much. >> campaign deja vu. president trump appearing to rally up supporters tonight in pennsylvania month after the roy jones loss, can he drum up enough support to drum up rick saccone.
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rick is a great guy. and special. he's a special person. >> you won this district by 20 points. >> right. >> can he do as well as you? >> i hope so. i said to him, i hope you do as well. we're here. we're going to be helping. i'll be back for rick. and we're going to fill up the stadium and do something really special for rick. i look forward to it. >> he's going to be back. that was president trump earlier this year promising to campaign for rick saccone in pennsylvania's 18th congressional district. he'll hold a campaign in the keystone state in an airplane hangar days before the critical election on tuesday. conor lamb, the democratic candidate, will battle sucone for a house seat in a district donald trump won by 20 points in the coun 16 election. geoff bennett is live in moon township, pennsylvania, with the latest. as you talk to voters in the 18th, what are they saying they think they're going to hear from the president tonight?
>> hey, david. they expect to hear a free wheeling speech, as many of the campaign style rallies tend to be, the ones the president has done. one of the things the president says he'll do is try to rev up the republican base ahead of this special election for this open congressional seat here in pennsylvania's 18th district. the president in just the last hour or so sent a tweet giving some indication of what he might say tonight. the president posting this on twitter. heading to moon township, pennsylvania, to be with a really good person. state representative rick saccone, who is running for congress. big and happy crowd. why not. some of the best economic numbers ever. rick will help me a lot. also tough on crime and borders. loves second amendment and vets. the challenge for the president is trying to make sure that enough voters in this district feel the same way about rick saccone as he does. at the moment, it appears rick saccone is running neck and neck with the democratic challenger in this race. conor lamb. in a district that is tailor made for republicans. you mentioned the fact donald trump won this district in 2016 by some 20 points. the reason why is because there
are a lot of white working-class voters who make up the core of the trump base. the question is, can the president transfer his base of support to rick saccone? just yesterday, i was at a campaign event for conor lamb, and i spoke with a steel worker, the steel workers union is supporting lamb's candidacy. i spoke with jim watt, in the steel industry for about as long as i have been alive. i asked him if he thinks a democrat can win in this district. here's a bit of what he said. >> is it unusual for a democrat to be doing so well in this district? >> no, not at all. not at all. >> why not? >> it's a strong democratic registration area. allegheny county, in the 18th district, is heavily democrat. and the people are seeing through the rhetoric that the republicans are putting out there, the false ads they're putting on tv. >> so it's a heavily democratic district on paper, but those registered democrats have been voting republican for years. so it's a razor thin race with
both sides looking for clues about what it might mean for the 2017 midterm, 2018 midterm. >> we'll check in with you throughout the afternoon. thank you very much. geoff bennett joining us from moon township. >> joining me now, adrienne elrod, and jen kearns with me as well. former spokesperson for the california republican party. let me start by asking you, jen, about the ramifications of this race. we had a number of these special elections. you look at the tea leaves. you try to see what it might tell you about the midterms going ahead. with you look at this race in particular, and geoff talking about the pukuehl arties about it, what is it going to tell you about how it turns out on tuesday? >> the most interesting story is regardless of whether the democrat lamb wins or not, there will be one loser in this, regardless, and that's nancy pelosi. i know some people don't like to hear that, but if the democrat loses tonight, pelosi loses that seat. but if she -- if he wins, pelosi also loses. if you look at how lamb, the democrat, has campaigned, he has
said that he will not support nancy pelosi for speaker of the house. should the democrats take the house back. i think that is very key. i think that sends a message across the country to other races and to other democrats that they don't need nancy pelosi's support to win. and the threat of not supporting nancy pelosi no longer exists in the democratic party. it's quite telling. tonight, i think you'll see president trump try to whip people into a frenzy, get that enthusiasm gap shortened a bit. i will concede this, as a republican, i am concerned about this enthusiasm gap. 63% of the voters who are backing lamb are democrats. shea say they're very excited to get to the polls. compare that to only 53% of republicans. i think that is something that the gop really has to be mindful of heading into had midterms. >> adrienne, i want to get your response to that. nancy pelosi, i talked to many members in the last few months, and some are less enthusiastic about her than they have been in the past. what's your sense of how much
support she enjoys from democratic members of the caucus right now? >> she enjoys a lot of support from democratic caucus members. look, this is not a race about nancy pelosi. this is a referendum against donald trump. he won this district by 20 points, which is hard to really, you know, underestimate the fact that you can swing from 20 points to potentially a five or six-point loss. 26-point spread, if you will, over a 14, 15-month period. again, this is more of a referendum on donald trump, if conor lamb, especially if he wins or even if he doesn't win and comes up two or three points short, this is a dramatic swing in this district. >> i want to get a sense of how you're processing the latest news about stephanie clifford, about stormy daniels. this story getting new legs in the last few days. it has become one that centers on campaign finance in particular. are we going to see democrats talking about this more, do you think? >> i don't know. there's so many other things to talk about right now. you have the mueller investigation, you have senior staff leaving the white house,
this controversial tariff issue. i mean, there's so many issues to talk about. i think, frankly, a lot of democrats and republicans would like to not talk about this issue. yet it is significant. i think in the most recent development here that is significant is the fact there may have been an illegal corporate contribution made to cover this up. so i think we will continue to talk about it, but i think both parties would probably prefer not to continue to talk about stormy daniels. >> jen, i'm going to have you weigh in on that as well. it seems like this was something many republicans were content to say this was in president trump's private life, allegedly. now it becomes a campaign finance issue. does it become more worrisome to you as something that might be talked about? >> i it might. i don't think it is as significant as, say, the lewinsky scandal during the president bill clinton era where you had, you know, if this affair did happen, it was between two consenting adults. you look at that, compare that to the lewinsky scandal. you had someone in the employ of a president, you had someone who was a young girl at the time, a
president lying under oath for which he got impeached. there are some differences here. it will be interesting to see how it plays out, but so far, a lot of liberal attorneys saying there might not be much there. >> has the notion of family values changed for republicans. you would expect republicans to be speaking out more about this happening in the first place? >> look, during the campaign, and this is what campaign seasons are for, you saw donald trump on the campaign trail talking about how he was an imperfect person, he had sinned. this was a man who has been married three times, so you wouldn't think that would be the poster boy for the republican party, but here he is. also changed his mind on pro-life issues over the years. he used to be very pro-abortion, now he's very pro-life. so i think republicans do give donald trump a bit of leeway here because he has shown some authenticity on the issues and he's been honest with the voters about it. >> i know you have experience in working in california politics. the president announced he's headed there next week. jeff sessions came out strongly
against sanctuary cities last week. what does the political landscape in california look like to you as we go to the 2018 midterms? >> california has always been one of the most progressive states in the country, and it's only becoming more and more progressive there are quite a few republicans, as you know, who are in very tight races. republican incumbents in congress who are in tight races. so look, i don't think he's going to have a friendly reception at all. i want to applaud xavier becerra, the attorney general, for really going forward on some of these resistance policies that california has always been the state to sort of push forward on some of these progressive policies. again, a.g. becerra has done an excellent job of pushing back against doj's action on trying to remove sanctuary cities. >> jen, quickly, why is he doing that? why is he choosing to go to california in light of all that? >> president trump is not afraid to back away from controversy. i think he feels he has a good legal case here. legal scholars also believe that. it may take a couple years.
it may even go to the u.s. supreme court, i believe it will. but look, it's ironic to hear adrienne mention the attorney general is doing such a great job and he ought to be commended. this is the chief person who is supposed to make sure laws are being followed in california, yet they're breaking federal law. article i of the constitution clearly states the federal government has complete authority to enact immigration laws over any state. the tenth amendment also says that the federal government can revoke funding of those cities. so i think this is the first shot in a very long battle that's to come over the next couple years. >> thanks to both of you. appreciate both of your perspectives here. >> new details emerging in the stormy daniels saga, revealing the president's personal lawyer used trump company e-mail in an alleged payment of hush money to the porn star, which may have violated campaign finance law. the issue is whether there's evidence that $130,000 to daniels was sent just before the 2016 election made to silence her because the story could hurt trump's presidential candidacy.
joining me now, richard painter, former white house ethics lawyer under george w. bush. great to have you with us here. we'll talk about your potential candidacy for senate in a moment, but i want to get your reaction to this case involving stormy daniels. involving stephanie daniels, stephanie clifford,nd election law in particular. how strong do you think that case is? >> well, i don't know all the facts. we need to find out the facts. john edwards, senator in north carolina, was indicted and tried criminally because payoff money was used with a mistress of his by a campaign supporter. he was acquitted, but the person who made the donation was 100 years old and not able really to testify. i don't know what would happen in this case, but it appears to be a campaign contribution. also there was no disclosure of
this either to the federal election commission or on the president's candidate's financial disclosure form where he is supposed to be doing closing everything he has an interest in. so certainly things need to be looked into, but i wouldn't want to pre-judge the facts here. >> we've talked about conflict of interest in the context of president trump. if this were to remain in open court, what could we learn potentially? bearing in mind you don't know all the facts, but if we were to see this advance further, what questions would you have that could be answered by this going forward in open court? >> well, i don't know, there are two sides of this. there is the civil dispute between president trump and stormy daniels. that is one side. but the side i've been talking about is the potential prosecution for an illegal campaign contribution or for msz
representation on the financial disclosure forms. that won't be arbitrated at all. either there is a violation of the law as was alleged in the john edwards case or there is not. with respect to the stormy daniels lawsuit, we'll just see where that goes. i don't know whether that is really going to disclose anything that we didn't already know about donald trump before we went into this election. >> you're weighing a run for senate in minnesota. professor painter goes to washington wanting to crack down on corruption and problems in government. what are you thinking about as you lead to that decision, what will make up your mind whether or not to run? >> well, i want to have a constructive role in the debate with the other candidates over issues that voters in minnesota care about. and one of the things we're very worried about in this state is corruption in politics. the amount of money that is coming in through pacs and super pac s and dark many
organizations. and the fact that this race and other on races in this state are viewed as a competition between donald trump and mitch mcconnell and all the big gop fundraisers on the one hand and chuck schumer, nancy pelosi and the democrat fundraisers on the other. and that the whole blue way versus red tsunami really ignores the interests of voters. we need senators and congress members to represent us and our interests. and a lot of issues will be decided in the senate including the infrastructure proposals made by the president. and a lot of people out here are worried about any of that money will come to minnesota as opposed to going to the states with the most powerful senators and swing states. and we're tired of politics as usual. so i'm thinking about it race. i don't know whether to enter the democrat or republican primary. i've been a republican for 30 years. but the republican party certainly moved very sharply to the right compared with my
views. or to run as an independent. a lot of people are encouraging me to look at the independent route. >> as you look to stay dry here amid the blue wave and that red tsunami, how big an issue is money as you try to make up your mind here? you look at the money involved in running for office. how big a hurdle is that to you? you said you don't want to take money from pacs, just voters. that is difficult in this day and age. >> well, that may be. we'll find out. but i'm not interested in being a senator and being beholden to money interests and super pacs and all these organizations. they run attack ads just attacking the other candidate. what is shocking to me is voters even listen to those ads because they don't say anything helpful about the candidate they are supporting, they just attack the other candidate usually with a bunch of lies. and that of course undermines voters' confidence in government. and here in minnesota, we have good candidates. we already have several good
candidates for that senate seat. and i don't want money to be used attacking other candidates. that is not dignified, that is not what voters really want. i want to talk about ideas. and i don't need a lot of money to talk about ideas and talk about the issues. and then we'll let the voters decide. >> in the last 10 ekd seconds, is your deadline for deciding? >> sometime in april i'll be making a decision about which way to go forward. maybe sooner than that. either way we go, we need to select some signatures to get on the ballot. so we're looking at trying to figure out what is going on certainly within the next month or so. >> all right. thanks as always. in the next hour, rules of engagement, possible risks of a historic meeting between donald trump and kim jung-un and who in the white house doubts testimit ever happen.
CampaignOneTariffsPeopleWhite-houseWayAdvisersGary-cohnPeter-navarroTrump-organizationPresidentTeam-trumprage with this? >> and saying farmers are saying it's okay, we can take these tariff, the hitter that getting, i haven't heard a farmer say that. >> says the guy with a 757 jet. >> and it can be revoked by congress they have a voice to play here if they want to play it. if they hate this trade policies so much, they can do something about it. >> and every day, we see people cowering in the corner, we see someone like the commander who told the truth in front of the senate committee and in front of america. and as long as we have one person telling the truth, every day, getting that news out, we have a chance. >> that does it for us this morning, stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage. >> thanks, mika, joe. hi there, i'm stephanie ruhle. facebook says it has found dozens of fake accounts, all part of a covert campaign to attack the american democratic process. surprise, surprise, just before the 2018 midterms.
was it the russians again? and what can actually be done to stop it? >> that has everything but the kitchen sink in it. it will be the sanctions bill from hell. and it is all about the base. the president rallies his faithful in florida, playing loose with economic backs. but guess what -- we have got more fact-check. china had others, remember this, have targeted our farmers. and you know what our farmers are saying, it's okay. we can take it. and the sky's the limit. ceos cash in thanks to the president's tax cuts. new numbers this morning on who that tax cut is benefitting and whether or not it's trickling down. we're going to begin this morning with that new attack on the american democracy. facebook uncovers yet another attempt at foreign influence, pages pushing divisive and damaging political rhetoric, this time leading into the 2018 midterms. i have a great team here to
break all of it down. but first, i want to remind you what has been uncovered in the last 24 hours. facebook says it's identified a covert campaign meant to create political discord across the country. it removed 32 facebook and instagram accounts. accounts nearly 300,000 followers ran hundreds of advertisements. that means facebook gets paid across the platform. and creates about 30 different events. facebook did not so as far as to specifically blame russia, but the platform did acknowledge, quote, some of the activity is consistent from what we saw from russia's internet research agency before and after the 2016 elections. james clapper the former director of national intelligence under obama he's holding up and back. listen. >> facebook should be commended for being open and transparent about this, as soon as they discovered it. even though they apparently weren't prepared to make the call, you know, it's actually
the russians. i'm pretty confident it is. walks like a duck, aqquacks lika duck sort of thing. >> now deleted pages and accounts were connected to organized protests like unite the right sequel to last year's shauls charlottesville rally. while facebook did divulge the information about the campaign it did not skriek some of the most divisive rhetoric, declining to release the depth that some of those pages went to stoke racial tension. j jolene centkent joins me now. i will not go as far as james clapper and commend facebook. this is the first time they've said anything but also they're backed into the corner gimp the
scrutiny journalists have on it. >> that's right. what we did on the business team here at nbc news, we ran a web archive search. what it turned up was rhetoric which was much more decisive, we're talking about soaking racial tensions, all kinds of partisanships popping up. and used in this particular case. but what we're seeing right now, it's not just happening on facebook, this is also happening on instagram, steph, as you mentioned. and what is really the most interesting part of these accounts and pages and ads are the fact that these events are being planted in real life. and facebook acknowledged to reporters yesterday that there has been real life activity, real people, interacting with these so-called fake events. and they're not able to assess whether or not they actually happened in person or not, but it certainly raises a lot of red flags. so as much as facebook says they're being more transparent,
there's a lot they're not sharing. they're not pegging this to a certain country, not even the russians. even though they say there's a huge resemblance to the ira back in 2016. the most interesting twist at least where i sit on this front is they're covering their tracks better. they're working on this, using vpns, they're going through third parties, they're trying to disguise themselves. >> it's a gargantuan problem. hearings the good thing, facebook has a gargantuan network. what's in store, i got to be honest, when we saw mark zuckerberg testify, it was humiliate, not for him, but for those questioning him. it was as though i was watching my crazy uncle grand pa asking how that facebook machine works. >> yeah, there were certainly a lot of questions that came off
as extremely unprepared. hopefully, members of congress have come to their senses i know a lot of my sources have come to educate congress asking tougher questions next time around. you're going to see new faces highly influential people. the coo of facebook, cheryl sandberg will be. and the google ceo, he's dlt a lot with youtube as well, as our report shows there's a lot of conspiracy and misinformation happening on that platform. so, he has a lot of questions to answer for it as well. you can expect hopefully a better grilling. we'll definitely be there to be asking those executives the harder questions. >> a grilling, lindsey graham wants to put together policy. you know what happens in 98 days. an election. i want to bring my panel in, jeff darvis, he's a professor as
well as a blogger. elise jordan, former aide to george w. bush and my dear friend senator bob sortorsi. jeff, to you first, if i bran beyer aspirin, and there were contaminated aspirin around the country, you know what i'd do, pull all of the aspirin offer the shelves until we figure it out. >> most of what happens on facebook is good. >> most of the aspirin in grocery stores are okay. >> look for your feed and tell me where you find the nazis. we have to switch around, facebook did finally get its act together. facebook is our best ally in this fight. we have the head of dhs saying, oh, i don't see any russian stuff going on. facebook is our best defense, that's where we are. so, they are -- >> they took ad dollars from these outside influences. >> they take ad dollars from a lot of people.
so do media company and so do all of us. if we want to look at an outside influencer, three blocks away at fox institution and rupert murdoch. let's try to get perspective on where this goes. facebook had a big problem, they're finally addressing it late, but they're coming to the party. what we need to do in journalism, media, is help in this to try to identify things. they're not the enemy, russia is the enemy. >> i think it's positive that facebook is coming forward, they're starting to be proactive and communicate with intelligence officials, communicate with law enforcement officials so they can be moral proactive. and it's harder for people in government, other elections individuals with partisan agendas to deny there's a problem. >> elise, high up in facebook, they're very frustrated because government isn't sharing anything with them. government isn't because they don't want to.
no one self-polices. unless there are clear regulations and guard rails do you really think they're going to find the right path here? in the banking industry if you weren't going to get in trouble with doing business with unsavory counterparties, there are people who would do it. >> i do not trust the trump administration to set these guard rails. i have what i call the info wars which facebook failed. they just succeeded. they finally -- finally, i think that they've got to have tougher standards where mark zuckerberg is not responsible for free speech in this country. mark zuckerberg runs a private company where he can say this belongs on my platform and this doesn't. so, yes, i agree, they've got to set higher standards for human behavior there. but keep in mind the scale, zuckerberg said at a developer's conference a few months ago they kill 1 million fake accounts a day. it's not as though you have some humans saying that looks russian -- doesn't happen,
inaffiliating our democracy. >> because our government is complicit, thank you, with that propaganda. as i say, they're our last hope. i agree with the senator. they're a slippery slope. it's not about facebook. it's about facebook setting the standard for human behavior. i'm in steph's bar, steph says, jeff, i'm not going to serve you because you're a bozo, get out. mark zuckerberg has the level to do that at some level. >> he has the right at some level, and you're comie ing offe week when the white house kicked a journalist out for doing her job. if mark zuckerberg gets to say you're a bozo, get out, the president wants to say you're a bozo, get out to any journalist fact-checking his daily lives? >> well, they've had a tough relationship. it's generally been to the benefit of both to co-exist.
and the president doesn't necessarily see the benefit of that established relationship. so, he's basically exerting what he has -- he does -- he has the power to do that. is it right? >> i don't think so. >> he does have a pruublic responsibility? >> he being the president? >> yes. >> if i had a chance of deciding what gets into the american discourse who runs the risk of foreign ones, getting heard, that's a tough choice and i think i'd take my risks. >> you're in the multimillion-dollar company that does that, media has always done that. >> what's so wonderful about the internet, i thought, is that we were getting away from free speech. costs a billion dollars to get in the game. >> exactly. >> and we were going to have extraordinary america speak. that's what's so wonderful. now, we're losing that. if you're going to set up u.s. corporations or the u.s.
government being the ash sister of speech, it's really gone. >> i agree. the problem is we have manipulators ahead of the game realizing how to play into the weakness of the system. >> let's just say, against all hope that the trump administration actually stepped up, defended the country and went to the russians which is too expensive to do which they should. many saying the same thing the same things for a variety of reasons we can't discuss, they're coming in anyway. the way you destroy irresponsible speech is you drown it out with responsible speech. >> i agree. the other way you do it you start to set standards. now, we have this loosening ever emotions on the internet where anybody can say anything. at some point, you have to say to your friend, did you really mean to do that? >> exactly. this ultimately gets involved not by corporations, it gets solved by the american people. >> amen. >> we win and lose our democracy
ourselves. >> amen. >> last word. >> yeah, i'm not that confidence. people love their crazy speech on the internet. i don't see them toning it down. >> one of the things i learned in my political career, when i started, i'd read something and say, oh, my god, the world. then you come to believe, people do have a filter. and yes, somebody may. but you can't react to everything you read or see. people are not as stupid as they appear. i think this is a lincoln line, if you see the individual american, they'll scare the life of you for our democracy, but there is a collective wisdom to it. >> also, if you sit down face-to-face with someone, people aren't evil. they want to live their best lives. when you go out there a trump supporter and you say those people are ignorant, this and that. they wanted to live a better life. and the system they were living in isn't serving them. >> exactly. >> those aren't people born out of hate and want to create violence, no. >> hardest problem we have is
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business partner rick gates whole they say embezzled millions with his firm and cooperating with investigators to save his own skin. nbc's ken delanian is at the courthouse. what are we expecting to see today? >> reporter: okay, stephanie, today, we're expecting to hear from another consultant who worked in the campaign for paul manafort. explain how it is these americans are overseas working for foreigners, how they get paid, what they do. the first witness yesterday was tad divine, a democratic local strategist, and he worked, he testified that his firm worked for manafort for the ukrainian elections for many years. paid $500,000. plus a $1 million success fee to help elect in the election. and jankovic would not have been elected in 2010 bout his help.
washington. >> reporter: you're absolutely right, stephanie. this is the ultimate swamp story. how ironic that john podesta, hacked by the russians, a key part in this investigation, his brother, tony was a lobbyist working for paul manafort on this ukraine lobbying. he's now under investigation for allegedly failing to register as a lobbyist for a foreign government. a foreign entity. and only him, greg craig, a former lawyer in the obama administration and vin webber, a former member of congress also caught up in this. mueller has decided to hand this off to the southern district of new york for investigation because this is beyond the scope of what he's looking at. and it's an effort by the government to step up, what they believe, is sort of a habit of people failing to register when working for foreign lobbyists. they're under investigation, stephanie. >> ken, i hope you brought your note book and a couple of pens, i have a feeling you're going to
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welcome back, i'm stephanie ruhle. the president he was in rare form in tampa last night, tossing out applause lines about a imaginary attack on christmas and needing to use i.d.s at the grocery store. that makes no sense. let's put that aside and learn what it means to focus on americans. the telling them to support them even if it hurts. >> china and others, remember this, have targeted our farmers. not good. not nice. you know what our farmers are say? it's okay. we can take it. we've helped rebuild china. we can't do that anymore. we can't do that anymore. and our farmers understand it.
and our workers understand it, and frankly, our companies understand it. >> here's what we do know, according to cnbc, the administration will propose raising the tariff rate on if $00 billion worth of chinese imports from 10% to 25%. the proposal could be announced as early as today. those tariffs would be in addition to tariffs already in place, or slated to go in effect in coming weeks. ultimately, u.s. tear rivariffs more than than $500 million worth of exports. the chinese promised to retaliate with their own tariffs. the question now, who blinks first? right now, it looks like china is hurting more than the united states. the chinese currency is down against the dollar. in fact, beijing is now talking about taking targeted measures to ease the pain. last night, the president said his trade policies are working.
>> thanks to our powerful trade policies, the trades deficit is falling and falling and falling, and boy, did it fall this quarter. the daying of plundering american jobs and american wealth, those days are over. they're over. >> dear america, we deserve higher wages, you deserve to thrive. but what the president just did, he lied to your face. the united states deficit with china has increased to $93 billion in the first quarter of this year. the numbers that would round out the second quarter, well, they don't come out until friday. and there are other signs that this could be a very risky gamble down the line, if the president goes through with all of the tariffs he's threatening. the chief economist with moody's mark zandi says, quote, it could push the total job losses to
$700,000 and a half percentage point of economic growth likely nudging the country into recession. all of this leads republican candidates running in their home states in a very tough spot, do they stick with the president and his trade policies, even if it risks losing voters? well, that could certainly hurt them. in recent days one of the party's recent donors charles cook has been pushingard offering republican candidates an alternative. >> we're seeing a rise in protectionism. for countries, organizations and individuals are trying to keep themselves from these changes. they're doing whatever they can to close themselves off from the new. hold on to the past. and prevent change. this is a natural tendency, but it's a destructive one. because when people act in protectionist ways, they wreck
barriers, which makes everyone worse off. >> i want to bring in robert costa, national political reporter for "the washington post" and moderator of one of my favorite shows. elise and bob are back. in washington, are they afraid of the president, but he made a pretty good argument right there. >> they want -- stephanie, they're very nervous, when you're talking to candidates and lawmakers about the midterm elections. they want support from conservative donors like charles koch. but they also need the support of president trump, they tell me, to try to get that kind of coalition together to stave off a democratic wave. it's not going to be easy. it's a balancing act for a lot of these republicans. >> i want to read part of a quote from "forbes" which read china is and the united states
is going after the united stach jugular. and china is feeling it. >> and they're saying they're glad they're taking this on? >> i'm going to take a contrary view. i feel the same way. you know it's going to question another dollar for a shirt to win the fight against china. okay. we're not willing to make any sacrifices -- if the goal here is pretrade which i hope it is in the trump administration the only way there is to confront the problem? >> do you think confronting the problem, $12 billion in aid to farmers? >> i actually believe, whether you like what trump is doing or not or agree with his policy or not, do i think he's going to win? i actually do. just as the germans came in last week and talked about zero tariffs. the germans cannot longer feel
that. >> you got no fear this is going to turn into a currency war? >> i have every war. it's a high wire act. i think it's very dangerous. your question, do i think donald trump wins this? yes, the chinese market down, they're using reserves. they're highly leveraged. they're gdp growth is now down to 6%. and we all know they lie with their numbers. they're growth may not be much more than ours in our developing economy. the political pressure for oligarchs in china and the political person for the overemployed or underemployed must be getting problems. you think trump is getting concerns from charles koch and farmers, that's nothing like from china. >> you also look at the soybean markets and how they're being destroyed. right now, they might be buying up because they know they're going to get hit with new tariffs but why not go to brazil
for all of this? >> because they all get shu shuffled. as the chinese now tart to buy from brazil and australia -- >> i would rather them be buying from -- >> -- the people who were buying from those markets now shift back to the united states. it's just a dislocation, that in time works out. >> i wish i shared your confidence that it would all settle that easily. but i think the disruption from the interim is going to be -- >> there's no question. >> we're already suffering. >> i think about guys like ben sasse, republicans in states with major farming, paul ryan. do they share the president's sentiment on this and do they share how bob toroselli thinks, because i don't think they do? >> you see republicans striking a more free tone in that, but you don't see them calling out charles koch too much either for having his own point of view.
i mean, there is still a wing of the republican party, even a republican party that president trump has a total grip over it seems day to day. at least polling indicates he has intense support from a majority of the republicans. there's still a conservative element that believes free trade, small government, that was the way of the past and should be the way of the future. president trump for all of the stylist differences for republicans is changing the ideology of the party and there are some people resistant to that. >> senator, i want to share what larry kudlow said about how this is impacting china. you have to remember, larry kudlow is a guy who weeks before going to the add straight urmin urged not to go there. he called them taxes. >> the key point here all of a sudden the chinese are being isolated. klein, by the way, ask the eu to do a trade deal. the eu said no. the eu said to us, we would much
rather have a deal with you, the united states that's why president trump in president yonk 's meeting was so important. >> here's what i don't get, if multilateral trade deals are the best way do go after china with tpp, why do they want to blow them all up? >> i'm a defender of the trump policies. and here's what we can't all fall into, because of the way we feel about trump politically and personally and the damage to our democracy -- >> what? >> well, a little bit. the goal here is free trade. my party. my friends, from barack obama to bill clinton, didn't get us to free trade. it was structured trade. >> just because they got it wrong, what makes you think he's getting it right? >> well, because finally, these imbalances had to be confronted. the europeans came to washington last week and proposed a zero tariff in both directions, trade
relationships which they've now -- >> which is what we're working toward with tpp before this happened? >> obut with the europeans we hd not gotten there in 50 years we had these imbalances. massive imbalances. where we were discriminated particularly with the germans in august and agricultural products. say what you will, this is a high-wire act and it is dangerous. >> with light trucks we were imposing tariffs. the president takes only one side of it and shows that hand to the american people. >> that is true, but nevertheless, this idea that somehow we're violating free trade, we haven't had free trade. it's structured trade. there is no free trade. and the multilateral negotiations charged with this never got us here from the kennedy round until trump. he may fail, too. but the idea of finally going to the chinese and saying we're not going to have this structured we're going to get to real free
trade, we're not going to get to free trade until we get past the structure that we have now. >> so it is, though, the answer, this is basically new taxes for americans. so, it is donald trump -- it's definitely not free trade, and if anything, he's raising taxes on basic consumer goods that people who are not going to benefit from cutting capital gains taxes they're going to -- >> first of all, the press' assumption is because you put tariff on american product that gets to the consumer. there's two big assumptions there. first, that chinese product isn't replaced by something from another country, second, the company can't absorb it. >> procter & gamble said this week, get ready for more expensive typers. f diapers. for all of the mothers and fathers out those dollars for that it does matter. >> you're assuming that procter & gamble that has competitive products isn't forced to absorb that itself.
>> the president just tweeted about jeff sessions and said the mueller needs to end now. and then about paul manafort asking why the government didn't tell him he was under investigation. robert costa, to you, first, what are your thoughts on the president's latest tweet, of course, calling the mueller investigation a rigged witch hunt, when we know between plea deals and indictments, we're up to 35. >> the president's tweet says attorney general jeff sessions should stop, his words, the rigged witch hunt. is this a direct order from the president of the united states? to the official overseeing the justice department, a nonpa nonpartisan law enforcement institution. if so, if you're rod rosenstein today picking up your phone or robert mueller, you just be wondering what is next. is the president actually going to make a move against the special counsel. >> bob, you can say the american people don't want to hear the ins and outs of this investigation but it's the
president that throws it back in the news every minute of every day? >> he does, whether it's by design or dumb luck, it's had an effect for him. he's worn down this investigation. he's worn down mueller. now, he's had accomplices, comey has been the perfect foil here in destroying the credibility of the investigation, too. nonetheless, trump's relentlessness, the wearing it down, has put it in a precarious position. if this manafort trial does not succeed, this investigation has got real problems. >> this tweet about manafort is really incredible. it's always someone's else's fault. the government should have warned donald trump not to hire paul manafort. it's the government's fault. never mind that mccain was able to make that judgment. >> decades ago, donald trump was one of thirst first clients and had been for years so for donald
trump to make the argument that government should have told me a year and a half ago, that is absolutely disingenuous, is it not, robert costa? >> you're definitely right, stephanie that the president has known paul manafort for decades. manafort even lived in trump's tower. when paul manafort was under fbi scrutiny he wishes he were alerted to that, but the fbi traditionally does not alert if they're under criminal investigation. they try to keep it under rap. >> elise. >> it comes down to judgment and donald trump consistently shows poor judgment. >> it comes down to poor judgment. and anybody who hires a campaign manager does some due diligence investigation of them. turning over any stone would indicate that paul manafort has a host of problems. >> he knew him is my point, he knew him and knew exactly the
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>> president trump continuing to tout the benefits of the steel and aluminum tariffs. but in communities like clyde, ohio, where a single company defines an entire town, the president's trade policies are have something unintended consequences. msnbc's garrett haake joins me from capitol hill. garrett, you were recently in colli clyde which is the home of the america's largest washing machine, whirlpool. >> reporter: yeah, the economy is humming, people are buying houses because of these tear. >> referee:s, because of 30 unpredictability, a lot of folks there telling me they're keeping a nervous eye on washington. welcome to whirlpool country, clyde, ohio, population, 6,000, clyde whirlpool plant, population 3,000. >> the rest of the community, willful goes clyde goes
whirlpool. >> reporter: roughly two-thirds of the taxes paid by whirlpool and the workers and businesses within it. >> we're standing in part in whi whirlpool. is that indicative of where they are? >> with whirlpool being here 65 years. >> reporter: you can imagine how thrilled they were when president trump announced he was slapping 25% tariffs on washing machines. sticking it to whirlpool's biggest competitors like lg and samsung. the company's ceo called it without a doubt, a positive catalyst for whirlpool. but in march, new tariffs this time on imported steel and aluminum hit his company where it hurts, the supply chain. this washing machine was built in clyde, a lot of it was made of steel and aluminum, the body, the trim and even the wash tub.
data from financial analysis firm show prices creeping up as the stock slides. bill sold hundreds depends on w how important is that plant to this town? >> it's huge and huge to the neighboring towns. i mean if anything happened to that plant this would be a ghost town. >> reporter: a ghost town? >> it would be very tough. >> reporter: this is as close as we could get. the company wouldn't let us talk to anyone on camera. workers we met told us they were told not to talk to reporters at all. but the company has had lots to say about this issue. in his most recent call with investors, ceo vowed to take the right action for investors. the company said in short, the net impact of all remedies and tariffs has turned into a headwind for us. this community is watching to see what whirlpool and what the president do in the face of that headwind. clyde's future depends on it.
do you trust him on this? >> it gets tougher every day but i have to have faith. i have faith. >> reporter: stephanie, he voted for president trump back in 2016. the politics of this are fascinating of the this is a county that president obama won twice, then president trump won by a big margin. folks were happy about that first round of tariffs on imported washing machines. they want help from the government but they're watching very carefully to see what the president does next. they hope this is all a negotiating tactic. >> faith and optimistic are both very good. thank you. more on money, power, politics. we are six months into the president's tax cuts, those cuts were supposed to trickle down to workers' paychecks. instead thus far the biggest investments have been made in stock buybacks. nearly 700 million bucks in the first few quarter. politico reviewed data and found executives who got major paydays, thanks to buybacks,
oracle ceo sold $250 million worth of shares in her company. that came after the company announced a $12 billion buyback. mastercard ceo sold $44.4 million worth of stocks just months after the company announced a buyback. he was the largest single cashout by an executive of the company in at least ten years. 55,000 shares were sold for $5.4 million two days after the company announced a $2 million buyback. the corporate tax savings are bypassing workers and going straight into shareholders' pockets. joining me now to talk about this is my friend ron kushevxi. companies were to have cash freed up and reinvest it in the company and see wages go up. when you think about who the
priorities are, their shareholders and their consumers and we haven't really seen it hit the worker yet. >> we have to pay fair competitive wages, we have to serve our communities and we have to make our share price go up. that's my job. >> yeah. >> and so that's what we do. stock buybacks are a form of corporate finance. they need to be done like investments. you can buyback stocks. you can make investments. you can pay dividends. to sit there and just link it completely to executive compensation i think is rather simplistic and not the real issue here. >> well, then what is the real issue? when you look at income inequality, when we saw these tax cuts, they were told it was going to help the american worker. do you think the american worker is -- wages continue to stay relative stagnant. >> that's not true. this week the government said that's the highest they've been in ten years and wages are growing 3%. >> they are looking at eci data
and that's factoring in health care and that factors in a whole lot of the if you go to the average worker they're not seeing wage increases. amazon continues to have employees on food stamps. >> the old adage -- >> everybody can find data to support their argument. >> right. the economy's growing, wages are increasing, i believe, just the simple 3% year over year. it's the highest since the financial crisis, so, you know, i don't see -- i do want to say something, okay? the biggest issue i think economically in this country is income inequality. i'm going to agree with you on that. and we need to find policies to narrow that and that runs the gamut from education to opportunity to a number of things and so i'm not going to take issue with that. >> do you think we're doing things to address that? my reservation is this, i look at the massive tax cuts and i look, the treasury has less and less money they have to borrow
more and we've got massive budget deficits and the president talked about a trade deficit but those budget deficit cause us to cut programs that people on the bottom need. >> the interesting thing is if you want to save the budget deficits increased trade deficits if you want to give it in economic terms. look, we as a country, we as a society can do and should do a better job of narrowing income and inequity -- >> do you think it's happening right now? because the tax cuts aren't yet paid for and we've got this idea float that had we're going to now inflation adjust capital gains tax and while that might not be a bad idea it doesn't address the big problem which is income inequality. >> the first thing is jobs. when jobs are at 3.7%, the economy is growing 4%. i hear all of these things that it's not sustainable. things are better and as things are getting better.
workforce participation went up. so let's talk about some of the positive things. are we going to take income inequality and at the end of this show make it go to zero? >> no. >> i don't think so. >> one of the reasons people voted for the president was because he said i'm going to address it, attack it and solve it. do you see policies being put in place that solve it? right now it's corporate leaders who appear to be addressing it more than government leaders do. >> i think the policies of -- you know, these are all political issues and in an economic terms and i don't agree with all the politics necessarily, but in economic terms i think there are things being done. what's being done on trade in the long run is negotiation. in the long run it will lower tariffs, it will lower barriers. it's just a different way to go there versus what other administrations did. i think that all of the things that we're talking about which encourage investment and encourage employment are steps in the direction to increase the prosperity of this country.
there's some big issues. education's one of them. >> without a doubt. the president says he's turned the economy around. so walk me through where we've been the last eight or ten years since the financial crisis. do you think the president turned it around? because i can't find anything that needed to be turned around. we were on a slow but positive path. >> look, there's no -- i don't know that any administration should take blame or guilt for turning anything around that they inherited. however, since the financial crisis until just recently, we weren't growing at 2%. >> correct. >> compare that to 30 years of growing at 3%, that's one-third less gdp each year for ten years that is lost prosperity. so are we turning around? 4% gdp -- when's the last time you heard that? >> five times during the obama administration. >> okay. did you say it was not sustainable then? the point is, the point is, is
that we have 4% gdp, we have 3.7% unemployment. let's not confuse the politics with economic policy. at least i'd like to separate them. >> without a doubt. when you look at the markets, do you feel like we're continuing on a positive trajectory. some people feel like it's those stock buybacks keeping things afloat, they worry that we've been on this positive trajectory for such a long time, where's the cushion if we do have an economic down turn? >> rates are being increased. >> is that a good thing? >> it is. we need rates to go up. the economy is higher rates signify a stronger economy. so in many ways, a lot of the things that you're talking about, the economy is on a good pace here, all right? and so go at policy and go at tweets and go at all of that,
just don't go at the economy, that's a bad argument right now. >> ron, thank you so much. i appreciate it. i don't need to go at anything. we would love to a good daily and great economy and great education system. i said it before, every american once to be financially free, physically safe, thank you for being here. all right. we know how we like to end the show. it's the best part of the show. we always end with good news because we believe good news rules. a grocery store employee in baton rouge, louisiana, is being lauded toward his act of kindness to a shopper in autism. he welcomed the help, guiding him and encouraged him every step of the way. for 30 minutes he helped him do it. that young man's grandfather called, i believe he said it was a great act of kindness. i appreciate it and that guy is
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does not change even as this story changes dramatically. we know there could be legal consequences. that aside, are there political? >> well, that's one of the interesting things because we've -- we've seen these tweets over the past couple of days. this tweet about jeff sessions which a lot of legal analysts and experts have said, boy, that could really do you damage in a court of law, that could be obstruction, that could contradict the other statements. but in the court of public opinion and what president trump believes and what his advisers believe is that attacking this investigation is really the best way to succeed in that court of public opinion. and there was definitely a shift after the michael cohen raid and we've seen in recent months about the president racheting up his attacks on this mueller investigation and i'm told that is because he very much believes and his lawyers advised him that this as a sitting president not going to be trial that plays out in a court of law. it will be if anything comes of this, a trial that plays outs in the court of public opinion
down the investigation. you don't see repudiation of comments, they are running in lock step with him now. they are motivated to come out in 2018 and try to take the house back and i thnk you would see a racheting up of investigations and see subpoenas and certainly a lot more oversight from the hill if democrats won the house and majority in 2018. all of that said, i'm not sure it would be a sure fire bet. i think the prospect of impeachment could backfire as well. i don't think we know at this point. i think we would be careful not to make too much implications because it's a long way to november. the mueller probe could be done by then and still see more lingering action and see democrats take over. the president is out on the campaign trail saying we're going to see a red wave not a blue wave, according to his numbers as well. >> you even saw adam schiff, the ranking democrat on the intelligence committee in a vocal opponent of the president say over the weekend, again, warning fellow democrats don't run on this, don't run on impeachment for precisely the
point you make. let's listen to something else the president aesz lawyer said over the weekend. chocking all of his denials about the trump tower meeting and et cetera and intent, up to bad information. here's more. >> i think it's very important to point out in a situation like this, you have over time facts develop, that's what investigations do. >> facts develop, facts are facts, right, you either know them or don't and it is very possible that a lawyer for the president could be kept in the dark about facts. but do facts develop over time? >> of courbviously not. facts don't develop they are set in stone. at the very best this was a reckless statement on the part of the jay seck co-low and at the worst it was a bold faced lie. i think what we're seeing here is that the president is a bad client. there's a reason why there are
many white color criminal defense attorneys who have turned down this representation. it's not a good thing when your client lies to you. you cannot adequately represent your client's interest when you are getting bad information as it were from your client. >> josh, one final thought. as the president and his legal team decide if he's going to sit down for an interview with mueller, that decision, who knows when it's going to come. they keep seeming to say a few weeks. they have been saying there's nothing else here. we've given all of these documents, et cetera, you had the former white house counsel to president obama now professor at nyu over the weekend saying that trump's attorney's argument that he shouldn't have to do an interview with mueller because he doesn't know anything, doesn't that now change that he said on twitter this was to get dirt on my opponent, essentially, doesn't that change? >> well, a lot of episodes that the president provides acknowledgement, one of the key players in a certain situation,
whether from the firing of james comey, episodes around michael flynn, his pressure on jeff sessions to try to force that attorney general to resign. there's certainly a case to be made that the president could provide unique information because he was one of the key players. that said, the interview is not a sure thing at this point. the president as we reported and others have as well, continues to wants to do it. he seems to think he can talk special counsel robert mueller into seeing it his way. i think his lawyers seeing his depositions over the years, seeing his tendency not to always tell the truth to say it lightly are more concerned about an interview with special counsel. and we've kind of been in a hold here, they've been proposals, lots of negotiations and we're still really nowhere firm and it's august. i think you'll see in the next few weeks something will have to materialize because we're approaching election season and midterms and i think the president wants this investigation over with and i think they'll have to make
that -- >> doesn't matter when he wants it over with, it's up to mueller's time line here. thank you all very much. >> certainly will prolong it if he doesn't do an interview. >> very fair point. >> have to wrap it up to do one. >> fair point. thank you all. still to come, president trump and kim jong-un, hopeful for a second summit between the two leaders. high stakes battle in ohio down to the wire. president's party is struggling to hold on a seat that has gone republican for last two decades and this -- >> but you're a fan of the president, think he's doing a good job? >>i izhe's doing a lot better t what obama did. >> where did that come from? bill weir is in sturgis, at the world's largest motorcycle rally. ivor of alzheimer's disease is out there. and the alzheimer's association is going to make it happen. but we won't get there without you.
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believes there's a strong possibility of a second summit between kim jong-un and president trump. that source also says it could happen sometime later this year. no exact mention of a date though, will ripably joins me, and let me be clear, this is not the white house saying this. this is someone close to the kim regime. what's your read on it and why would they want to put forth something like this? >> when you look what's been happening over the last week, the official lines between the u.s. and north korea have been increasingly harsh, mike pompeo was calling on nations to continue enforcing sanctions against north korea, of violating u.n. security council resolutions and growing its nuclear program which is backed up by u.s. intelligence. and not following through on the june 12th agreement in singapore. if things don't happen in terms of sanctions relief and peace
tra treaty they may walk away. they still flatter him and say that president trump wants progress but it's u.s. politics getting in the way. and of course president trump sent a very nice tweet to kim jong-un last week thanking him for his nice letter and saying -- i was wondering if this was a hint, i'll see you soon. now the source is telling me in fact it is a strong possibility at least from the north korean perspective that there will be a second meeting between trump and kim sometime later this year and north koreans are pushing for this to happen before the midterm elections in november. they think that trump wants to tout north korea as success before the midterms and they want to give them that opportunity. they hope that direct negotiations between kim and trum much will get the north koreans a better deal in the end. we have to watch and see what happens. >> that is soon if that were to be the case. will riply, thank you for reporting and important context. at midnight tonight, the u.s. will reimpose sanctions on iran. months after president trump announced he was pulling u.s. out of the iran nuclear agreement, the white house is expected to provide more details
in a call starting right now, this hour, we'll bring you those when we get them. the president also readying his response directly at the president and let's go to the state department. michelle kosinski joins me for more. this is the first action after pulling out of the iran agreement that they would slap back these sanctions. but this is just part one, right, michelle. the tougher sanctions come in november. >> yeah, i mean this targets iran's ability to bank the american dollar, which is a big deal. aviation, that is expected to have an impact in the meantime leading up to this, so many companies and european companies included have gotten out of iran. so the white house wants to emphasize that they believe their regime is working but then this is kind of like a show that the u.s. is serious about doing this, including that the u.s. will sanction european companies
even if they continue to do business. november 4th is when the as sanctions come back on to iran against its oil sectors and energy sectors and central bank. that's expected to have a bigger impact as iran's economy is in deep, deep trouble and it's been facing increasing protests now going on for days, poppy. >> thank you very much, we'll get into this more next hour and let us know what does come up on the call going on right now with the white house. ahead, a crucial vote in ohio tomorrow, a neck in neck race to tell us a lot about the upcoming mid terms, what should be a safe seat for republicans is not looking safe at all next. i don't keep track of regrets. and i don't add up the years. but what i do count on is boost®. delicious boost® high protein nuritional drink now has 33% more protein, along with 26 essential vitamins and minerals boost® high protein. be up for life.
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in a special special election toex, republicans in ohio risk losing a seat in the district they have controlled for three decades. that's why president trump made a special trip there for a rally this weekend. >> we must elect troy balderson. we have to elect troy. i need your vote august 7th. >> the special election is an ohio 12th district and last major race before the midterm and may reveal a lot about what we'll see in november. in fact it is john kasich, says it should be an easy win for rpz. listen. >> the chaos that seems to surround donald trump unnerved a lot of people. it's kind of shocking, this should be a slam dunk and it's
not. >> joining me now david urban, former trump campaign strategist. thanks for being with me, david. >> thanks for having me, poppy. how are you? >> i'm good. kasich is right, look at the polling numbers, balderson at 44% and danny o'connor at 43% in a district that the president won by 11 points and district the republicans have held on almost as long as i've been alive, three decades. is kasich right, this isn't a slam dunk because of the president? >> not surprisingly governor kasich is taking a jab at the president and given their rocky past, i don't think that's any surprise. and poppy, look, in all of these races, all of these special elections especially candidates matter. candidates matter to a great deal. if you go back and think about where the democrats have been successful this these tight races and ralph north rum and conner lam in pennsylvania and danny o'brien and these folks --
>> o'connor -- >> i'm sorry, danny o'connor. these folks are a far cry from candidates like ocasio-cortez, they are blue dog democrats both danny o'connor as well as conner lam both have said they would not vote for nancy pelosi for speaker. they are trying to distance themselves from the democratic party -- >> that means -- >> run as republicans. >> that may be but your party needs to have the stronger candidate in the critical districts if you're going to win. i want your reaction to what else kasich said. you heard this interview with george stephanopoulos, why he is supporting a republican candidate and then something stunning. >> he came out against this border separation policy. he came out against the tariffs and came out for fixing social security. you know, on his website or whatever, i asked him the other
day, why are you bringing trump in? i don't have anything to do with it. >> is he surprised president trump was come and didn't want to come? >> did you invite trump in here for president? he said no, i didn't. so i think donald trump decides where he wants to go and they think they are firing up the base. >> either the republican candidate balderson didn't ask the president of the united states for help in this very tight race or he did and he doesn't want to admit it. that's your read? >> poppy, listen, i don't -- i don't know what conversation he had with the president or didn't have with the president but i can't imagine somebody running for a house seat that would not want the president of the united states to come in, especially in ohio 12 as you pointed out. the president carried so decisively. look, that race was a very, very tight race -- >> it's a place where you do face uphill challenges from for example suburban women. you know that. >> right, no, listen, exactly.
i think that you need to get -- make sure as you know, need to make sure your base turns out in these low number kind of special elections race that's held in august when most people are out on vacation someplace with their families, it's going to be a pretty low turnout. so one of the strategies here, make sure your base turns out and turns out forcefully. that's why the president is there. >> it sounds like you're preparing for a potential loss and what the narrative should be on that if you do lose. you're saying it's august, no one is watching but ohio 12 matters. >> no, it does matter greatly, poppy. each one of these seats matters a great deal. look, the republican candidate won a very tough primary, a ten-way primary beat out one of my very close friends, guy named tim cain, won by 28% of the vote. 28% of the vote got him to this point where he is now. these tough bruising primaries do have an impact on the general
election as well. >> yeah, david, let me get you on a few other topics since you know the president well. he made very clear to everyone over the weekend something that he wouldn't say and didn't say before. and that is that he said about the trump tower meeting in 2016, quote, this was a meeting to get information on an opponent. information from russians on hillary clinton. this is the an tij this ses of what they said over again, the statement he dictated in july of last year, said this meeting was primarily discussed a program about the adoption of russian children. so which one are we supposed to believe, david? >> so poppy, look, i'm going to push back on that. my good friend jonathan swan at aixio has a piece out that says, look, what's the big news here? there is no breaking news. this is exactly what the president said on july 13th of 2017 one year ago. i think if we go back and look
at the statement from july 13th, 2017 he says the exact same thing and jonathan has it right. >> i read jonathan's piece, the president dictated we know this because of the letter sent to mueller's team admitting he did dictate that july 8th statement in which it said the meeting was primarily about russian adoption, nothing else to see here and now the president is saying it's information on an oppone opponent. the american people should believe which one because it matters, doesn't it? >> it does matter. it does matter, poppy. you know what, it is very confusing and i would say the latter of the two statements, right, the july 13th statement, i believe. i don't believe that the president -- there's a lot of folks out there opining that the president knew about this meeting at some point along the way. i'm not so certain about that. i go with a july 13th 2017 statement where he said look,
this is -- a meeting about people potentially offering up -- they came in under goois about lifting sanctions on the mag knit ski act and offering opposition research on a candidate. >> look, we know from the e-mail chain setting up this meeting to don jr. that it was about dirt on hillary clinton and he said if it's later in the summer i love it but i'm running out of time and i do want to get you on something so important. that is the media, the freedom of the press, and as you know over the weekend ethe president said the fake news is the enemy of the people then he said they, meaning us, the media, can also cause war. is that taking this too far? is that dangerous? to have threats against their life? >> look, sure, again, i think that the president is krek, look at the words, fake news as he said is bad -- >> he said they can also -- he
calls cnn fake news. and you know it's not -- >> i don't think he called the entire network. >> yes, he does, he writes it, you wouldn't be on this network if you thought that and they, meaning the media, they can also cause war. i understand you work for him and friend of his, is this taking it too far? >> yeah, look, i think it's taking it a little bit too far. i think there are very, very many good journalists in america and across the world and people risk their lives every day to get the truth out all across the world. but at the same time, there are lots and lots of bad journalists. to say there are no bad journalists is just naive for anybody's account. there are bad doctors and bad lawyers and bad accountants and to think there are no bad journalists, just does not -- doesn't pass a straight face test. >> except you know the president groups together huge networks and newspapers and says they are all fake news then says they can cause war so -- i appreciate your candor.
>> listen, poppy, let me put it this way, i don't think anyone at cnn or journalists that you or i work with cause war. how about that? >> i appreciate that. >> nice to have you. come back soon. >> thank you. >> the president who told us quote, tariffs are the greatest and plans a multibillion dollar rescue package for farmers hurt by trade wars now claims tariffs will bring down the national debt. it's a big promise. we'll fact check it next. hi i'm joan lunden. today's senior living communities have never been better, with amazing amenities like movie theaters, exercise rooms and swimming pools, public cafes, bars and bistros even pet care services. and there's never been an easier way to get great advice. a place for mom is a free service
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moore who advised the president on all things economy during the campaign. christine, the president says that these tariffs will bring down the national debt, $21 trillion. >> large amounts of the national debt, he says. >> the tariffs on the $85 billion worth of goods right now at best would bring in $21 billion. >> 0.1% of the national debt. >> exactly. >> the national debt is going up. it's going up because the government is spending so much more than it brings in and the treasury department has to borrow money, ironically in some cases, many cases from the chinese to pay for that debt. we're running up the national debt, $21.3 trillion right now, went up a big amount also during the obama administration because of the financial crisis. it was spending all kinds of money to keep the economy out of recession. you know, you don't -- you don't get out of the national debt by tariffs, you get out of the national debt by huge growth, which is i think what their
strategy is. but that is -- cutting the national debt by large amounts, paying it down just by tariff strategy alone is not possible. >> you also look at the cost of this to american companies and consumers steven moore, coca-cola said they'll charge more for coke because aluminum and winne bago will charge more for rvs because of the tariffs. you have the budget director acknowledging we're going to run a trillion dollar plus deficit for at least the next four years, i mean by the pred's own calculation, do we need mortar i haves? >> tariffs or taxes, that's one reason i don't like them because they are taxes but they do collect money. little history lesson for the first 100 years of our nation, as christine knows, the primary way we raised revenue for the federal government was through tariffs. i'm not justifying but i don't like tariffs but let me give you a status of where we are on this trade situation. i think president trump had a
major advance a week ago wednesday in europe where it looks like we could get a nice agreement with europe, buy more of our agricultural products and manufacturing products and oil and gas. i talked to the trade people over the weekend. they feel good where we are with mexico poppy. they feel like we're making good advances with britain. and so i think where we're at right now is the strategy which i've always thought was a smart strategy, which is isolate ch china, china is a big, big problem. poppy, you said trump is launching a trade war with china. i think if donald trump were on he would tell you, we're not launching this trade war, this was launched a long time ago by china where they are restraining our exports to china and they are treating and stealing. they steal 300 billion of intellectual property. most americans agree that can't continue any longer. we need to retaliate. >> and the question becomeses at what cost for consumer.
>> there will be a cost to the consumer, no doubt. >> the president pointed to the chinese markets in his argument. >> and said the chinese markets are down 27%, the stock market and said that is evidence the trade strategy is working. there's a huge government focused deleveraging going on there, cutting debt campaign going on and the trade spat. it has not been good for chinese markets. but i think using the chinese markets as somehow a barometer for how americans will feel better about paying more for a car or more for a coke, those are two different economic statistics. i'm not quite sure that that sells his argument there. you know, look, the long term strategy here, in the short term there will be pain because these companies -- american companies paying this tax will have to find domestic sources, right? long term. the white house strategy is that long term you're going to exchange for the balance of trade. the irony here is that the chinese have sort of shifted from that manufacturing world to the chief manufacturing staff and want to be the leader on the things that really matter like
ai and stuff like that. we're almost in a way fighting the trade battles for 25 years ago. >> that's a great point. >> thank you both, next time you're on, first answer to you, i'm out of time today. thank you both very much. president trump's attack on the media, reaching a new level, accusing journalists of causing war but members of his own white house are breaking with the president's message on that. the first person to survive alzheimer's disease is out there. and the alzheimer's association is going to make it happen by funding scientific breakthroughs, advancing public policy, and providing local support to those living with the disease and their caregivers. but we won't get there without you. join the fight with the alzheimer's association. it's a pea-protein, gluten-free pâté.gman? (whistles) it's a burrito filled with plants
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what happens when a half million people gather together in a small town for the world's largest motorcycle event? cnn's bill weir hit the road to find out. joining bikers from around the world at sturgis. it is an annual pilgrimage in sturgis, south dakota to get their view on president and the politics. watch. >> reporter: they rumble in from all points on the compass and for one week each summer this little town of 7,000 explodes to half a million. but this is one city that looks nothing like the rest of america. you can go hours without seeing a person of color and sturgis, a minority is a white guy on a foreign bike. there are no debates over gun control here or ethics of the me too movement. and there is no doubt who is the leader at this pack. >> you're a fan of the president, think he's doing a good job? >> he's doing a lot better than
what obama did. >> reporter: this ghost rider reviews him self as john sands, a postal worker who rides up from kentucky each year and sees proof of trump's brilliance in the booming economy. >> they say it's the trump bump, people are feeling so good. >> reporter: rod woodruff says his campers have an average income of $95,000 a year. >> 70% are homeowners in the united states. lots of people own multiple motorcycles. >> we have a tattoo parlor up here. we've got food and pizza and anything you want at the free access cross roads. >> very good. >> do you have your own jail? >> no, we don't need one. >> you don't need one. >> violence and arrests are incredibly rare for a crowd of this size. one reason is most folks share the same values and those that don't keep it to themselves. i see here in motorcycling is a microcosm for the whole country.
get the feeling sometimes that people don't believe what's going on is right have become very quiet. >> i think there's a lot of h hypocrisy because i feel like everybody wants freedom and rights but god forbid somebody disagree with you, you'll get your head bitten off. >> reporter: a couple months back the president aimed at harley-davidson. the company shut down a factory in kansas city, laid off hundred workers and said because of the tariffs they would have to start production in a new country overseas which begs the question, is this the ultimate loyalty test for his base? do these folks pledge allegiance to the president or hall harley-davidson? >> i have to go with what makes america better. if harley wants to go somewhere else, i'll choose different bikes. >> i love the man, think he's doing a wonderful job. >> reporter: despite the president's disdain for my profession, they could not be
nicer. >> do i strike you as an enemy of the people? >> not at all. we're sure glad to have you here. >> reporter: no amount of earnest reporting will change their minds. >> because if you look at russia and the mueller investigation and there's a lot red flags and dark clouds. >> that's usually a lot of politicians but one they are picking on because he's on the outside. if you look at the clintons how come they can do things and no one else can. >> i'm old enough to remember when the base loved harley davidson and hated russia. it seems it flipped a little bit. >> i don't think there's any reason to call him out or try to be friendly with anyone. if they don't want to be friends, it's a whole other story. >> even vladimir putin, a dictator, a murderer? >> he met with kim jong-un as well. >> fake news. we all know it. >> touch me. >> touch me. >> donald j. trump. he'll tell you. >> reporter: back downtown our presence sparks a debate between some fox news fans from texas and bonnie
from nebraska. >> they don't know what they're talking about. i go either way. >> which proves we live in a media age where people can choose their own facts. >> i have a friend who is very much -- and i go, uh-huh, i agree with you. no problem. everybody has their own opinion. >> that's true. >> it's like a [ bleep ]. everyone has one. >> as long as we don't start shooting each other, right? >> then the heckling is interrupted from a hero falling from the sky. sergeant dana bowman, an army golden, lands, and it feels like we are all in this together. >> incredible reporting, as always, from our bill weir. thank you for that. ahead, the president calls the media the source of war.
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>> wrong. it's just not true. we've had a lot of wars over the time of history, and the press has not caused any of those wars. i do think it's true, poppy, that at least in one war the press was a definite cheerleader. and that goes back to the end of the 19th century, and when we had the famous newspaper rivalry between hurst and pulitzer and we went in and won. i think -- brian may disagree with this. i think we did too much cheerleading in advance of the iraq war. under president george w. bush. but in both cases, the press was cheerleading an existing administration. it was not causing a war. >> the explanation i just asked david irvin, brian, who worked and knows the president well, friends with him. worked as a campaign strategist with him. you know, and he said to me, yeah, i think this goes too far. but he also said, well, the president is talking about the fake news. and if you look at the full
tweet, yes, the president wrote at the top, fake news hates me, they're the enemy of the people, blah, blah, blah, they can cause war. but come on. i mean, he points to all the major news networks and major newspapers. >> it's a very cynical strategy, trying to divide between good outlets and bad outlets. trump does this sometimes. it's bs, and it should be called out. i think we look at these tweets. think about what's different this time. it is changing. trump's tone is changing. it is getting worse. think about during the campaign. he would call us dishonest. then he started saying fake. then he started saying we're the enemy of the people. now he's using words like disgusting. using words like dangerous and sick. you know, that's dehumanizing language. that's the kind of language he also uses to talk about immigrants sometimes. it's trying to strip away people's humanity. and as david knows, that never ends well. look at the history books. that never ends well. >> sure. and david, when you look at, you know, the insults, we can take
it, right? all journalists have thick skin. that's okay. what's not okay is language that could further a dangerous environment for journalists. i mean, brian, you've pointed out katy tur, for example, pointing to threats against her, an nbc journalist. in your newsletter. so, i mean, at what point, david gergen, you know, do you get into the territory of making it dangerous for journalists? >> i think that we've already entered a period of danger. and that is -- and it may get worse in the next few weeks. the president is using these rallies of his base to make the press the scapegoat. to make the press the punching bag. and the more he does that and goes after the press as, quote, the enemy of the people, a famous phrase that goes back to the french revolution when enemies of the people went to the guillotine. you know, that is -- whips up crowds. it makes it seem like when you strip, as i think brian has well
said, you strip the press of its legitimacy and humanity. then there are going to be crazy people out there, especially in a culture with so many guns, who are going to be thinking about maybe i'll just take one of those guys out. we've already seen that in annapolis. so i think this is -- as the president looks down the road, this white house looks down the road at a lot more allies, they ought to tone this down. and get back into a place of -- >> but who will -- >> -- mainstream relationship. >> but brian stelter, the president has shown no sign of backing off on this one, of reining it in on this one. >> no, he's raising the temperature. he's not lowering the temperature. and unfortunately, all of his friends, like anthony scaramucci and ivanka trump and kellyanne conway is saying hey, they're not the enemies -- he's not listening to them. he is doing this, because his back is up against the wall. because real news is so damaging to him. he's trying to tell his fans to only believe what he says. and thankfully, most americans
Donaldj-trumpTrump-tower-meetingInformationOpponentCaseAllQuestionAnythingFuse-indicationOneThingsTweetsshooting. his visit coming just hours after he continued to sow more division about with his rhetoric. as he is said to head to el paso next, his visit may be less than welcome there. we'll have two people telling me why they don't want the froze come. also a forceful rebuke of racism. senator and presidential candidate cory booker just delivering a major address from another site motivated by hate. emanuel church in charleston. we'll play part of what he said a few minutes from now. but we start with president trump on the ground in ohio. a live look at air force one on the tarmac at wright patterson air force base. he'll be visiting places where shootings took more than 30 lives over the weekend. he will be meeting with victims, first responders there and then he will will be traveling to el
paso, texas. the leaders of both cities have made it plain that the president's divisive rhetoric is not welcome. before he left the white house president trump talked about their concerns. >> i think we have tend to it down. we've been hitting -- we've been getting hit left and right from everybody, many of the people i don't know, a couple of people from texas, political people from texas that aren't doing very well. so they're trying to make political points. i don't think it worked because, you know, i would like to stay out of the political frame. i think my rhetoric is a very -- it brings people together. >> president trump saying that his rhetoric brings people together. we get details now from nbc's kelly o'donnell at the white house, gabe gutierrez in ohio and, kelly, i'll start with you. can we expect the president to continue tweeting about those who criticize his rhetoric
today? >> hard to know, but i think of the course of the next several hours where the president is on the ground and visiting, perhaps in that window of time it is less likely that the president would engage in tweets. he tends to do those more when he's got some time to himself and his team sometimes will prepare a tweet that recaps a visit. so perhaps we'll see that. he is with the first lady and sometimes that also changes the nature of the visit. this is the president in a more ceremonial mode, not in the raw political kind of vibe that we sometimes see the president in. we'll have to see it play out. the president sometimes has a different perception of how his own rhetoric plays. you can certainly take that from his dmon his comments to reporters where he describes himself as toning it down when many of his critics believes that his words and policies and actions have inflamed a lot of the political
environment in which we live right now. so the president will have an opportunity to see first responders, a community where he often has support and can make a connection. he will meet with local political leaders who often city by city can put aside their immediate differences and be civil and polite in these circumstances. we may see that play out. and there's an opportunity for office holders to speak frankly among themselves if they choose do that. we'll see if that plays out. the president's going on a day like this knowing that there are many people who would prefer that he would have stayed here in washington or hold him to account to some degree for a role in this. makes it a difficult trip for everyone, those who would prefer he not be there and to some degree for the president himself. so it's not comfortable, really, for anyone involved. and so the president has to tread lightly and those who will receive him will also perhaps have some discomfort.
that puts some real onus on everyone as the president and first lady there will have their first opportunity to make an impression. >> kelly o'donnell for us there at the white house. thank you, as we watch president trump and first lady melania trump descend from air force one. on the ground to greet the president we just saw the mayor of dayton, ohio. the democrat who said earlier this week that she was disappointed in the president's remarks. she did say, though, that she would welcome him to dayton. she also said that she would welcome protests as well. we do expect to see some protests in dayton, ohio, and el paso, texas. also on the tarmac they're greeting the president, ohio senator rob portman and i believe i see sherrod brown there, ohio senator sherrod brown, the democrat and the republican senators there from the buckeye state on the tarmac.
we also are expecting that -- there's governor mike dewine as well, the ohio governor. the republican, by the way, governor dewine, i was in dayton earlier this week as he attempted to speak at a vigil in dayton, ohio, he was interrupted -- interrupted by chants of do something, do something from those who had assembled for that vigil there in dayton on sunday night as we see the first lady and president continue to greet folks there on the tarmac. this is again wright patterson air force base. also worth pointing out that there were actually three active duty airmen from wright patterson air force base who sustained some minor injuries early sunday morning while they were evacuating the scene of that mass shooting in the oregon district there in dayton. it's an air force base this is northeast of dayton, ohio, as we watch the president continue to talk to some of the folks there who have assembled on the ground
meet him. we've got to wonder what the president's saying to them and what they are saying to the president of the united states. gabe gutierrez has been on the ground there in dayton, ohio, since all of this went down over the weekend. gabe, what has been the reaction there? in dayton splisk to president trump's visit? >> actually you were talking about we were starting to see some protests here and from our camera position, it's tough to see with some traffic being backed up, this is in front of ned pepper's bar near where that shooting happened. you can see there seems to be some heated discussion happening over there between some of the demonstrators here not happy with president trump's visit. as you mentioned him just touching down. but there's another i guess counterprotester waving a 2020 keep america great flag.
and there's some discussion about certainly whether the president should be here or not. hasn't gotten too heated just yet, just several dozen protesters thus far. but, craig there is what we've been seeing over the past couple of days here of some skepticism over president trump's visit. certainly not as heat heard as it has been in el paso. but the mayor of dayton has said that the president's comments were not -- on monday were not helpful. she says that she doesn't think that the president's rhetoric or rather the president's rhetoric has caused a lot of pain here. so, again, we are here right in front of ned pepper's bar. this is in the historic oregon district where this mass shooting happened. nine people killed, more than 30 injured early sunday morning. right now several dozen protesters have gathered not happy with president trump's visit and, as you can see, a counterprotester over there, president trump supporter appears to be having a heated discussion with them over there. we expect this to play out over the next couple of hours.
weapon do n we do not know too many details of the president's visit right now. he's set to meet with victims' families and first responders but this is the scene right now here in dayton. >> can we see on the right side of the screen, gabe, if you could have your photographer pan back over and if we can make this picture a little larger on the right side of the screen so we can get a better sense of the -- >> tony, if you can -- yeah, let's pan over there. we're trying to get -- we're kind of locked down in our camera position here and we'll try to get a better picture. if we can head over there. but right now we're kind of zooming in over there. several dozen protesters, some media there. you see some of these -- these people holding signs, some of them saying dump trump. another protester saying the sign dayton loves happy people. certainly alluding to some of what many of these protesters
see as divisive rhetoric the president has. now we're hearing louder cries of do something, craig. you'll remember several days ago this was the part that we heard during the very emotional vigil here. several hundred if not thousand of people were right here in the oregon district on sunday, sunday evening, just less than 24 hours after that shooting. there's wa a chant ths a chant d do something right when governor mike dewine took the stage. it's building over what some of these protesters feel is not being done at the federal level to curb some of this gun violence. over the last few days governor mike dewine saying he backed several gun -- gun control restrictions, tighter gun control restrictions as well as red flag laws. a lot of questions here in ohio whether that will go anywhere with the republican-controlled legislature. but right now we are seeing just, you know, some
frustration, anger here building about the president's visit. certainly not as heated, at least from what i can tell, that we've heard is happening in el paso. this is a different situation here. again, as part of the investigation, if i can mention some of of that, yesterday the federal investigation into this shooting, the fbi opening a federal investigation saying that up until now this does not appear to be racially motivated. but there is still a lot of frustration here, craig, about just in general gun control. we've spoken with many people in and around involved with this shooting, including people that knew the gunman. there's a lot of discussion about mental health, mental illness, whether red flags were missed. but also frustration about whether, you know, he should have been allowed to have this weapon. although, as you know, craig, investigators have said there was nothing in his criminal history that would have prevented him from purchasing this weapon.
we understand that he would have -- that he legally purchased it from an online retailer in texas. >> gabe. >> in any case, now we're looking at the situation unfolding, some chanting here, some discussion here -- >> gabe. >> about whether president trump should visit here. go ahead, craig. >> while you were reporting there was another protest that appeared to start there in dayton. this is the scene not far from miami valley hospital there in dayton, ohio. and, gabe, this is actually not far from where you, as well as you know. we see a number of protesters gathering there. and of course that -- that giant trump baby balloon that has become fairly popular at protests like this, that pop up ahead of the president's visit to certain places. but the balloon is there, some protesters are on the ground. gabe, do stand by for me if you can. i want to bring in ohio democratic congressman tim ryan
now. ryan running for president and running for the democratic nomination. congressman, as i understand it you are in youngstown. i know you spent the better part of the week there in dayton. your district does not include dayton, ohio, but were you invited to meet with the president? were you invited to greet the president? >> no, i was not. not that i know of. >> if you had been, would you have gone? >> i was in dayton for a couple days. probably not. i'm not sure. i probably would have consult with the mayor down there to see what she wanted me to do. i've kind of been following her lead throughout the last few days of doing whatever she wanted me to do. so i would have probably consulted her. >> we've heard leaders in these cities in el paso, there in dayton as well, a number of leaders say they would not meet with president trump. would you be willing to at least sit down and talk to the president about some ways that we can fix the gun violence epidemic in this country?
>> you always want to leave the door open. but i got to tell you, i mean, this is one of the most disingenuous human beings i've ever watched in my entire life. he gives a speech about unity a couple days ago and last night he's blasting beto o'rourke. i mean, he just -- he's disingenuous. he doesn't keep his word. he is in it for the tv show. and he's not connecting and understanding what's happening in the country right now. you mentioned the anger, the fear. people are afraid to go to wahl walmart now. people are afraid to send their kids to school. kids think they're going to get killed in school. i mean, let's just stop for 30 seconds and think about what we're doing to our kids and then have the president in no way, shape, or form be a unifier of trying to pull people together. he should have said to beto o'rourke, look, congressman
o'rourke, i understand your passion. i'm saying if i contributed to this in any way, shape, or form. when i come to el paso i would love to sit down with you and give me my condolences personally and ask you how you think we can work together. that's what a leader does. and that's -- that's not what we have in the white house right now. and our country's worse off because of it. >> you've mentioned before that the president throws rheetor cal jet fuels on fires burning in the country. what would you like to hear from him today to help ease the pain and frustration and the fear that a lot of folks are feeling right now, not just dayton, ohio, but all over the united states of america? >> it's hard for me to be as frank as i can to see him connect emotionally in this environment. i almost feel like he's incapable of -- of feeling, you know, that compassion that is
needed that barack obama had, that bill clinton had, that george w. bush had to really connect with people in their pain. and the whole country's in pain now and we have a president who doesn't know how to connect with people in pain and in many ways makes it worse. so i don't even know what the advice would be. even if he said something, chances are he's going to revert back later tonight when he gets on his twitter feed or tomorrow morning and cause more and more division. and that's really the concern we all have. >> congressman, do you think he's incapable or do you think he's just unwilling? >> i feel -- i mean, you know, this is bar stool analysis here. i feel like he's incapable of feeling empathy for people and, you know, like i said, i'm not here to give the guy a -- you know, an examination here, but i feel like he's incapable of feeling empathy. i don't think he deeply understands compassion.
he himself said he never cried. i mean, i've cried 50 times since i heard this and being in dayton. and i'm sure you've been moved too just being there. how do you not feel that emotion that people are going through? i saw an 89-year-old woman on a walker as i was walking out of dayton the other day in complete tears, had lived there her whole life. it just moves you. and i don't see that in him. and i think that's -- that's a real -- that's really problematic when you have the level of division that we have in the united states, the race issues that we have. these really deep problems that we have in the country, we need a leader who can -- who can meet everybody in that pain, in that confusion, in that fear, and then begin the healing process so that we can move forward. and it makes its way, and i'm as guilty as anybody, i get really, really mad. and then i, you know, i get really moved to tears. and we've got to figure out how we start healing this country.
because we're all so concerned at what we're leaving our children. you know, i've got -- we've got -- angrydrea and i have thr children and we're saying what are we leaving to our kids and how can we fix this and do something? which the people were chanting the other day. i want to be a part of that dpoi don't think this president's capable of doing that. sad to say. >> i know a lot of democrats have been talking to background checks, enhancing background checks, improving background checks on a federal level. congressman, it is not clear whether that would have stopped the shooter in dayton, whether that would have prevented the shooting kne shooting in el paso as well. in terms of the conversation we should be having about possible legislative fixes, is background checks, is reinstating the assault weapons ban since 1994? is it something else? is it a combination of those
things? what would federal legislation designed to fix this problem look like? >> i tell you, it's got to be all of the above. why are weapons made for war on the streets of dayton? why are they on the streets of el paso? that doesn't even make any sense. these magazine drums that allow someone to get off, you know, a hundred round within 30 seconds. i mean, that is meant for battle. that is meant for war. and now they're on the streets of the united states. so we have to figure out how to get those out of the hands of people, reduce their numbers. i mean, let's find a compromise. you want one, you got to keep it at the gun club and check it out. you can't bring it home and it can't be in the streets and we're going to know what these are. but i support the ban. same with the magazines and these extended clips that allow you to get so many rounds off quickly in an entertainment
distinct district in dayton. this is not what we want happening here. but what we're doing, i'm starting tomorrow leading a caravan if my official capacity going to youngtown, columbus, dayton, cincinnati, and we're picking' u up activists along the way and we're going to louisville, kentucky, and we're going to knock on mitch mcconnell's door, not on his door literally, but we'll be in his hometown letting him know that the people of ohio are fed up. i'm inviting every other border state to come and start a caravan and meet us down there tomorrow night. we've had enough and the whole purpose is going to be for him to pass these two pieces of legislation about background checks. they're sitting on his door, the democratic house has already passed these. moms demand action in ohio are coordinating this here in our state and we want those two pieces of legislation passed. and we're asking everybody within an earshot, meet us in louisville tomorrow night and let's let mitch mcconnell know
that this is a national effort. the people are going to start governing the country again and this is the issue we want to start with right now. >> ohio congressman time ryan running for the democratic nomination for president of the united states. congressman ryan, thanks for your time, sir. do appreciate it. meanwhile, while we were having that conversation, the protest in ohio continue. both scenes on your screen scenes in dayton, ohio. we're keeping a very close eye on the situation there as president trump and first lady melania trump have touched down in this city, a city that is still very much reeling and grieving from the nine people who were killed there and the more than two dozen who were injured. a tense reception. that is what the president may also receive when he touches down in el paso, texas, a few hours from now. a number of local officials say they did not want him to come in the first place. two of them will join me on the other side of this break. also, fanning the flames of white supremacy, that's what joe
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live look there at protests in the oregon district of dayton, ohio, while president trump is on the ground there presume ably presumably en route there to meet with survivors and victims' families. it would appear a few dozen of these protests have gathered outside ned pepper's bar in the is of course the scene of that mass shooting, nine people killed over the weekend. 27 hurt early sunday morning. again, that's the scene there in dayton, ohio. protesters there in dayton and also protesters in el paso, texas, we are told. jacob soboroff is on the ground for us there in el paso where 22 people were killed. jacob, what's the seen there ahead of the president's visit to texas? >> reporter: you know what, craig? i was at el dorado high school
this morning for a memorial and remembrance for the 22 people killed at this walmart and it was remarkably positive and uplifting. surprising, really, given the long history of the president's, in my estimation, disrespectful posture towards the residents of el paso. the way he was long characterized this city as dangerous is just completely factually incorrect. it's one of the safest big cities in america and we should remind people that the murderer of the alleged white supremacist that came to this walmart drove hundreds of miles to come here to one of the safest cities in the country in order to carry out this terrorist attack. and beto o'rourke, the candidate for the presidency of the united states and the former congressman that represents part of this area was there this morning. the president, of course, called out congressman o'rourke this morning on social media. but -- but in a sort of superficial way that you often see the president do. he made fun of his name and talked about rally sizes.
and i put to congressman o'rourke that fact and the fact that the congressman responded. i asked him why in the is what he told me. >> he is trying to intimidate this community, make us afraid of one another, of our differences, of the border, of immigrants and we will not stand down. every single one of us is standing up to to be counteda. defining moment of truth. so i stand with this community that is so proud of the fact that we are a stiff people wcito come from the planet over and made our home in the united states of america and made it stronger and safer and more successful than we ever could have been otherwise. that's america at its best. >> congressman o'rourke also told me, craig, that he supports his successor's plan to boycott the president's visit. she was invited to go to with the president today and she has categorically able to do so until they're able to have a conversation about the racism and the language that the president has used to describe many of the residents, the vast
majority of the residents that live in this city. 85% of the people that live in el paso are latinos and the way that the president talks about latinos strikes right at the core, of the fabric of this welcoming, warm city. one other thing, craig, it still boggles my mind how people are so positive in the face of the president coming here six months ago holding a rally, disparaging people in this city and then stifg the ci stiffing the city $500,000 that the state and local officials had put towards the president's campaign to pay for that visit. craig. >> jacob soboroff for us there on the ground in el paso. thank you. we'll be checking in with you shortly again. and, again, let me show you a picture again, once again, dayton, ohio. this is the scene outside the hospital in dayton, ohio. this is -- well that's ned pepper's. that's the bar in the oregon district. there's miami valley hospital. we can tell you now as those
protesters gather there outside the hospital, this that is wher president trump and the first lady, that's going to be their first stop. this is the hospital where a number of the victims and survivors were treated. the motorcade pulling up actually at the hospital right n now. presumably the president will be greeted by those protesters and by that giant trump balloon that we have seen at -- at a number of these other protests. actually i appear to be incorrect, looks like they're going to take the president through the back so he will not necessarily be seeing those protesters. he is taking a different entrance into miami valley hospital. we can tell you that while there he is going to be thanking first responders, thanking hospital staff, as well as meeting with victims and families as well. the president's motorcade pulling up to miami valley hospital in dayton, ohio, right now. as we watch that unfold, let's bring in tim miller, republican
strategist, former deputy communications director for the republican national committee. tim, thanks for your time, sir. do appreciate you being here. first of all, are you surprised at all by the protests that we're seeing ahead of the president's vis knit is in dayt? >> absolutely not. of course there should be protests. i've been shocked by the lack of humanity and the lack of self-reflection in the president's response to these shootings over the weekend. and i would just say to my former -- >> why are you shocked? >> -- colleagues and -- >> why are you shocked? >> i'm not shocked that the president would do this. what i'm shocked by is that people i know, people i worked with, my former colleagues and friends who worked and support this president, who is speaking up right now at this time to say this is when we need to turn the temperature down and help people grief? look, craig, there was a mass
slaughter of hispanics three days ago, four days ago now, based on a white supremacy political ideology. and the president late last night is tweeting jokes about hispanics. this morning on the white house lawn he's talking about open borders. the only thing the president should be saying right now about hispanic americans is reminding anyone who might have any sympathy with that murderer that these are americans, they deserve our love, they deserve our respect, they deserve our compassion. and he needs to bring them together. and i just -- look, i grew up one mile from columbine and i remember what happened after that shooting. and all our community wanted was -- was for politicians to come in and help us grieve. and this president is completely unwilling to do that and so, of course, there are protests. there should be protests. and i'm concerned about whether he's going to be able to, you
know, execute even the minimum possible compassion today. >> you know, here's the thing, tim. i mean, this is a president -- you know what? i'm just going to play it for folks and then i'll read the tweet. i want to juxtapose -- juxtapose two of his more recent exchanges. this is the president of the united states on monday. >> now is the time to set destructive partisanship aside. so destructive. and find the courage to answer hatred with unity, devotion, and love. >> and that's the president on teleprompter on monday. this is the president in a tweet last night going after the aforementioned beto o'rourke on twitter saying he has a phony name, saying he trounced in. going back to what tim ryan said to me a few moments ago, tim, do you think that this is a president who is incapable of empathy or showing empathy? or do you think that this is a
president who is consistently unwilling to do that? >> both probably. he's certainly unwilling. and, look, you didn't even read it in the beto tweet last night. i want to call this out. he puts in parenthesis, he goes by that time in pretend to be hispanic or something to that effect. a snarky joke about hispanics after hispanics were slaughtered. i get that beto's name is attacking the president. beto's name shouldn't be in the president's mouth today. only names he should be talking about is achond doe,rturo achons going to grow up without any parents. he's 2-month-old. that's only type of name, the president should be having on his twitter feed at midnight the night before, you know, he's coming to meet with victims and first responders. like the idea that he's going to
make a joke about beto's hispanic background, you know, after this murder targeting hispanics? it's just -- he has no -- he has no capability of doing the minimum that's needed to be done at a time like this. >> tim miller, gop strategist, former deputy communications director for the rnc. thank you for your time as we continue to watch these protests play out in dayton, ohio, while the president son the ground the visiting hoft hospital whe visiting hospital where a number of the victims were treated. when the president leaves the buckeye state, is he going to head to el paso, texas, where a number of folks in that community aren't exactly rolling out the welcome mat. several politicians have publicly asked the president not to come blaming his divisive rhetoric and language for
contributing to the shooting that left 22 people dead. david stout is el paso's county commissioner. alexandra eye nel low alexandra is a member of the city council. both do not support the president's visit. the times have published an open letter to the president writing in part, we all want the same thing. we want our country to prosper. that's not different from your goal for america, but for many of us, our parents were born in mexico, we do not tell them or anyone to go back to their country. america is our country. we are home. how is the president going to be received by the community there in el paso when he lands just a few hours from now? >> i mean, not well, right? you know, make no mistake the people who were killed in our community last weekend were killed because of the color of their skin and they were killed because of the rhetoric from the president. and our community knows that. he has put our community at risk
since he was elected and it escalated on saturday. and so our community is angry. they've come together, today we are celebrating us. but we are aware of what's happening. >> commissioner, why don't you support the president's trip to your city today? >> well, for many of the same reasons. you know, i think that we still have this gaping wound in this community and this would be just throwing salt in that wound. regardless of what happened here on saturday, you know, the people in this community have been vilified and demonized throughout the trump presidency. he has tweeted about invasion. he has questioned the credibility of a federal judge just because of the fact that he has mexican heritage. you know, and he has -- has, you know, at this rally the other day asked about what we can do with immigrants and when somebody yelled out shoot them he laughed at that. you know, that's not something that, you know, is -- that we
need to be accepting of here in el paso. >> commission, he let me play devil's advocate for just a moment here. because one of the roles historically one of the roles of the president is consoler and chief when terrible things happen in our country, the president of the united states is the one that is supposed to bring us together. unite us. make us feel better. console us. does the president deserve any level of appreciation for his attempt at playing the role? >> well, you know, i think this incident is very distinct from most others because the perpetrator of these crimes, you know, the language that he used in the manifesto that he wrote tracked very closely what the president and his supporters have been -- have been saying in the rhetoric that they have been
using over the last number of years. and so i find it he have difficult for somebody to try to come in and console a community that he has done nothing but spew hate about. and incite hate towards. so i don't -- i don't understand why trump thinks it's a good idea to be coming to el paso. you know, i mean, these people are in mourning, we're in pain, and really if he wants to do something, if he wants to support this community, he'll continue to denounce white supremacy and racism and hatred, but he'll take action and send us resources immediately and then start taking action when it comes to changing some of the laws in this country. >> councilwoman, on another note our jacob soboroff just mentioned this. i want to follow up because the president had the texas tribune is reporting that the trump campaign still owes more than half a million dollars to the city of el paso for that february rally.
have you heard anything from the campaign about that bill? >> no, absolutely not. the trump campaign has not reached out in any way. and i think, you know, when we say that the trump campaign owes the city of el paso, it's important to pinpoint who that is. it's the health department, police, fire, it is the people who have been working endlessly since saturday who are now being asked to jump on board with the protection of the president. you know, yesterday we had a conversation about making sure when he mental health services for all of our first responders. i think it's a little selfish of him to now ask these same people to work even harder for him when she haven't even had a chance to mourn with their community. >> commissioner, i do want to ask you a question. i just asked you're wearing a jersey. is there a story behind the jersey that you're wearing? >> yeah, there is. today at 12:30 many members of our community are going to join together at washington park, which is close to the university
medical center, the county hospital where we've heard that the president might be visiting. and we are going to be celebrating the hispanic heritage and the mexicanness of this community. i'm wearing this to show not only solidarity to the folks in my community but to the mexican nationals hathat have suffered this tragedy. >> councilwoman, what will you be doing? >> i will be joining my community. that's my job. it's to protect my community, support my community and i'll be with them today. >> thank you both for your time. and our thoughts and our prayers. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> and perhaps more, are with the city of el paso, texas. >> we hope so. thank you. >> thank you so much. two major addresses taking on president trump's rhetoric. what we are learning about what joe biden was saying. we're also going to play what cory booker said this morning from the site of another massacre that was motivated by sheer hate. another massacre that was motivated by sheer hate earer.
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>> the act of antirhetoric we witnessed this weekend did not start with the hand that pulled the trigger. it was sowed from the highest office in our land where we see in tweets and rhetoric hateful words that ultimately endanger the lives of people in our country. >> let's bring in our road warrior mike in burlington, ohio. shaq, what was the rest of senator booker's message there in charleston? >> booker's main message was that there's a current and historical connection between gun violence and the rise in white supremacy. he uses very solemn backdrop to strike a very serious tone and really focus on that connection and focusing on gun violence. he said that in this period of time in dealing with white
supremacy it's not a question of who is or isn't racist but whether who is or isn't doing something about it. so for senator booker, that means gun control. and aggressive gun control, going beyond what you normally here, which is the ban on assault weapons or the ban on high capacity magazines and establishing a federal gun loansi licensing program and limiting the a. guns a person can by to one gun per person per month. he says this is an issue of national security and he wants to denote vote the resources dealing with it. >> shaq, i spent some time with the pastor of mother emanuel a couple months ago on the fourth anniversary of that terrorist attack there. and we talked about how that church is hallow ground. it was hallowed ground before the shoot aing and arguably is even more so now. was there any concern about a political speech in a place like that? >> yeah, you know, cory booker
had a feline hline in his speecd i kent can't separate myself from the office that i'm running from, but i'm not here to ask for your vote, i'm here to ask for a collective sense of resolve in the say chur resolve. this is a church that has historical significance. he's been seen as dealing with slavery and also racism. that's why cory booker chose this location. i also will say pastor manning produced cory booker. he said welcomed him to this church. we've seen other 2020 candidates come here. we saw kamala harris. we saw john hickenlooper and congressman beto o'rourke come here and pay their respects and talk to people and have conversations before. it's a center that's become a campaign stop here in south carolina with that historical significance. >> shaq brufter in frothere in r
emanuel. joe biden is taking on the president later in a speech we're told. give us a preview of what we're going to hear from mr. biden. >> as you remember when the vice president announced his candidacy in april the first words out of his mouth were charlottesville. he talked about this election as a battle for the soul of america. what we can expect to see today is doubling down on that message. talking about how president trump in his words has aligned himself with the darkest forces in this country and that has made winning that battle for the heart and soul of this nation even harder. according to excerpts that have been released ahead of his remarks this yoof noon, we can see the vice president drawing a direct line between the president's rhetoric and what we saw motivating the el paso shooter. biden will say how far is it from trump saying this is an invasion to the shooter in el paso declaring his attack is a response to hispanic invasion of texas? not far at all in the both clear language and in code, this president has fanned the flames of white supremacy. that's what the vice president will say here today.
now, it's hard to imagine this already that it's already been a week, craig, since we were in detroit and the democrats were really sparring with one another in that debate there. but this is a political moment for joe biden where his campaign feels he's at his strongest. when he can make the stakes of the election very clear to voters and talk about that contrast with the president, talk about how he wants to take the fight to president trump and he believes he's the most electable candidate. what we can also expect to see by campaign advisers is some discussion about the epidemic of gun violence as well. joe biden saying that he is the only candidate in this race who has taken on the nra and won. and did he that in that 1994 crime bill that has been the source of criticism from other democrats. >> big thanks to both of you. we continue to keep a very close eye on the ground in dayton, ohio where president trump is meeting with first responders and victims right now. he's currently visiting a hospital. this is the scene not far from that hospital in the oregon district of dayton, ohio, where
nine people were massacred over the weekend and more than two dozen others hurt. on the other side of this break, what we usually hear from presidents in moments like these and what we are likely to hear from this one. e are likely to hr from this one.
right now president trump is inside a dayton, ohio, hospital, speaking with survivors of the shooting there that left nine people dead this weekend. he's speaking with their families, first responders and hospital staff as well. that's the scene on the left side of your screen. on the right side, protesters in dayton who gathered to greet the president. i want to bring in jon meacham, pulitzer prize winning presidential historian. his latest book is "songs of america," co-wrote that book with tim mcgraw. also with me, brian costello, republican from pennsylvania. mr. meacham, we've talked this hour and in the past as well about the role of the president as consoler-in-chief. the president is going to be trying to play that role in two cities today. if the past is any indication, jon meacham, what do you suspect
we'll hear from the president? >> i suspect we'll hear at least out of his mouth fairly wrote, fairly routine words of attempted comfort and reassurance. i think you saw the real donald trump in what he tweeted this morning, attacking congressman o'rourke. where we are right now is we have a president who has abdicated the genuine efficacy of the role of what franklin roosevelt called the presidency as a place preeminently of moral leadership. i think what you're seeing today which is fascinating, senator booker and vice president biden filling that vacuum. there is -- people can argue it's, quote, just symbolic as flannery o'connor said, if the eucharist is just symbolic, then to hell with it.
symbols matter, moments like this matter. the action you do on the policy front matters. i think on all those scores -- this is not a partisan point, on all those scores this president has come up short again and again. >> congressman, as we watch these protesters in dayton, ohio. if you were advising this president ahead of this speech, what would you tell the president to say to the people of dayton, to the people of el paso, texas? >> i would say focus on what you need to do, what legislation you're willing to sign to improve public safety across this country. most specifically sign a red flag law. senator graham spoke about a bill he's going to bring forward in the senate and sign the toomey-manchin universal background check bill. this moment is going to come and go, the grief, the sorrow, the tragedy. what will come of it? will there be lessons learned?
i think most americans want to see action taken. if the president is going to lean forward and say i'm going to take these affirmative steps to make our community safer, leaving aside some of his rhetoric which i think even his supporters acknowledge can be problematic for him, that's what i think the american public wants to see. >> jon, i was in charleston, south carolina more than four years ago when president obama spoke in the wake of that terrorist attack at mother emanuel church. i want to remind folks what president obama said in the wake of that shooting. here is part of it. ♪ amazing grace ♪ how sweet the sound >> there's a man singing "amazing grace" to the country in the wake of a mass shooting. when you compare president obama's response to these
horrible acts of violence, whether charleston, sandy hook, and then you compare this president's response, jon, this current president is incapable of it, or is it that he's unwilling to do it? >> i don't know. he's self-evidently not willing to do it. so capability becomes a second question. he just -- it doesn't interest him, i suppose. i was shocked, honestly, watching the speech the other morning with vice president pence. people made this comment, but it did feel like a hostage video, as if the establishment had come in and said, you have to be a human being here, so get through this as quickly as possible. we're on two different planets with obama and trump. it's fascinating isn't it that historically and culturally that trump rose to his current
political prominence by suggesting incorrectly and repeatedly that barack obama had not been born in the united states and was, therefore, an illegitimate president. so you have this racist theme that helped fuel the rise of this particular president. that's a fascinating connection, because we now see and i know senator booker talked about it, and i know vice president biden is going to talk about it. we have this argument sometimes, and you saw it in charleston, that this is not who we are. the hell it's not who we are. of course it is. it's who we are on our worst day. the role of a president and the role of every citizen, of you and me and everybody else, is to try to heed those better angels that lincoln talked about, and we're not going to do it all the time, and bad things are going to happen. no piece of legislation, with due respect to the congressman, is going to solve that.
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