to investigate what happened in the past and apply its own laws. no one in the new team had anything to do with anything that may have happened in 2016. they were making television shows at the time. iral i also said it is credible to me that he would have been influenced by financial or personal motives in carrying out duties as vice president. a different issue is whether some individual ukrainians may have attempted to influence the 2016 election or thought they could buy influence. that is at least plausible given ukraine s reputation for corruption. the accusation that he acted independently did not seem credible to me. i connected mayor giuliani and the aide by text lantand later t i phone.
they met in person on august 2, 2019. in conversations with me following that meeting which i did not attend, mr. giuliani said that he had stressed the importance of ukraine conducting investigations into what happened in the past and mr. yermoc stressed, he said it is their position to co
concerning the allegations, i stressed that no one in the new team governing ukraine had anything to do with anything that may have happened in 2016. they were making television shows at the time. i also said that it is not credible to me that former vice president biden would have been influenced in any way by financial or personal motives in carrying out his duties as vice president. a different issue is whether some individual ukrainians may have attempted to influence the 2016 election or thought they would buy influence. that is at least plausible given ukraine s reputation for corruption. but the accusation that vice president biden acted inappropriately did not seem at all credible to me. after that meeting, i connected mayor giuliani and mr. yermak by text and later by phone. they met in person on august 2nd, 2019. in conversations with me following that meeting, which i
did not attend, mr. giuliani said that he had stressed the importance of ukraine conducting investigation
Investigations, correct? well, now, what do we mean by these investigations? bhoouurisma and 2016 electio burisma and 2016, yes. and at the time that you were engaged in coordinating for this statement, did you find it unusual that there was such an emphasis on a public statement from president zelensky to carry out the investigations that the president was seeking? i didn t find it that unusual. i think when you re dealing with a situation where i believe the president was highly skeptical about president zelensky being committed to really changing ukraine after his entirely negative view of the country, that he would want to hear something more from president zelensky to be convinced that, okay, i ll give this a guy a chance. and perhaps he also wanted a public statement because it would lock president zelensky in to do these investigations that he thought might benefit him? well, again, when we say these investigations, what i
Text. the other is identical to your previous one and then it just adds including these involving burisma and the 2016 elections, is that right. that is correct. and that is what mr. giuliani insisted on adding to the statement? that is what he said would be necessary for that to be credible. and the ukrainians ultimately did not issue this statement, is that right. that is correct. and president zelensky did not get the oval office meeting either, did he? not yet. now, i want to move forward to september. and early september when the security assistance begins to more overtly be used as leverage to pressure the ukrainians to conduct these investigations that president trump wanted. mr. morrison, you accompanied vice president pence to warsaw when he met with president zelensky, is that right? i was in warsaw when the vice president was designated as the
it does not. you testified in your deposition that you and ambassador sondland and mayor giuliani had a conversation about this draft after you received it, is that right? that is correct. and mr. giuliani said that if the statement did not include burisma and 2016 election, it would not have any credibility. is that right? that s correct. now, this was the same rudy giuliani that president trump was discussing in that may 23rd meeting and asked you to you and the others to talk to, correct? that is the same mr. giuliani. and even at that point in may 23rd you were aware of these investigations that he was publicly promoting, correct? i knew that he had adopted or was interested in all of those conspiracy theories that had come from lutsenko. back in may you knew that? back in may. now he was insisting on a public commitment from president zelensky to do the