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Thats really the cause of these leaks. >> so its what? its to curry favor? its to kind of show your faction in the best possible light or cast doubts on other factions? >> its typically because people are jockeying. you need to do it my way. no, you need to do it my way. and because the process isnt smooth enough yet, the process is sound, i know i got a fair hearing, so i accept the result win or lose. thats what leads to no leaks. when you have a situation where people are jockeying for positi...

I forget the better argument. no, i have the better argument. and because the process isnt smooth enough yet, the process is sound, i know i got a fair hearing, so i accept the result win or lose. thats what leads to no leaks. when you have a situation where people are jockeying for their position and there are rival positions, and they feel like theyre not given a fair listening to, that typically is what makes people go outside the system and leak to the press, because theyre frustrated. >> je...

Obamacare injects the insurance companies in the company. when its more than obamacare when they think about it, its the insurance companies. >> yeah, who loves the insurance companies? i dont know who does. i think this is -- this is a fascinating race because its such a great test case and its going to -- the result win or lose, whoever wins, if the results precinct by precinct is pores over by political pros on both sides to see how this obamacare message on both sides worked or didnt work, a...