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even if we want to have a world that we're imagining that at some point, that's not about to happen. in a world where we are going to have police officers policing these cities how do we generate some kind of structural incentive that improves the reasons and the ways -- i mean so i hear heads roll and accountability, but then heightened tensions create a way in which officers then feel even more desire and interest to kind of intervene in black lives. >> that's a difficult question because when i envision a world where black lives matter the police as we know it don't exist. we have to navigate the system in the meantime. so civilian review board that looks like demilitarizing the police. one thing encouraging about mosby's statements she said systemic so structural. lets me know that she's thinking

the -- we see that this is change. it's never been immediately all of the officers are indicted and that's the changes we want to see, but we also recognize that justice won't come just from convicting these officers and it won't come from getting a settlement for freddie gray's family. it's going to come when they actually change the policies so we don't keep having to have -- >> what policies? what policies? >> they have to change the whole structure. >> all of the city -- >> all the law enforcement bill of rights have to change the structure of the civilian review board here in baltimore city. they need to actually restructure the crcs that are in every police district which is the community relations councils where they should be a bridge not just an information from the police department but information to the police department. >> you know you said something a minute ago that struck me. you said in sand town it's

rid of chief gates, he was a problem and we brought in a chief willing to make changes and we created a civilian review board and started to changing the relationship between citizens and police in los angeles. >> so -- >> they can step -- >> i think we all agree that there needs to be substantive changes and some have to be federal level changes. we don't have an accurate reg stree of killings by police. and until diversity training happens -- >> but they go hand in hand. >> yeah. >> i want to play this. i want to play an -- particulate of an interview i did with a loved one, somebody who's very close to one of the police officers who assisted in the

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get scotts ez seed. it's guaranteed. seed your lawn. seed it! he doesn't go into burning buildings. >> no he doesn't. >> he doesn't tweet while holding a baby. >> tries his best to save babies from burning buildings. joining us now ras baraka, he'll be signing an executive order establishing a review board empower willinging people with a voice. >> it's a great day in newark. we'll be signing an executive order that people have been calling for. it will give civilians the opportunity to subpoena police, have an independent investigation, begin to make

naacp, ncu, sued you for arresting individuals, your administration for arresting without cause, and al sharpton saying it alienated from the police. are we seeing the flip side of the success you had in reducing crime? >> well he's -- look, let's acknowledge this. i don't think that there is a trade-off. in fact we never used the term aggressive policing. we were very clear with police officers. we wanted them to be assertive whens in, pro active in restoring to the good people in every neighborhood their streets from open-air drug dealing, but we also worked every single day on policing our police. we encourage people, jake to call about excessive force and discourtesy. for the first time we gave our civilian review board their own detectives to investigate these cases and the people in baltimore on more than one occasion -- actually, i was elected. won every district in the city after having this conversation

>> well you are absolutely right. let me simply say that we just finished a legislating session a couple of weeks ago here in the state of maryland. many individuals the legislative black caucus and senators addressed the issues that legally that we thought would help our situation here in baltimore city from body cameras to creating a special prosecutor when there are situations that arise like this to do an impartial investigation. to strengthening our civilian review board that we have in the city of baltimore and a whole lit any of legislation that we hope would pass to give us the tools that we need to help the community address these issues. so i see that we will continue