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Transition to the free world. >> you go from a pecking order type mentality into an economic society, and its tough. it really is, because everybody is wearing the same clothes, everythings uniform. it dont matter about what type of car you drive, what type of house you live in, how much money you got. thats kind of irrelevant in prison because its a pecking order society. its the strong, you know, and thats how you survive. >> before i met him, all i had was this image of this gruff, ripped guy...

It dont matter about what type of car you drive, what type of house you live in, how much money you got. thats kind of irrelevant in prison because its a pecking order society. its the strong, you know, and thats how you survive. >> before i met him, all i had was this image of this gruff, ripped guy who could take on the whole team of officers, and upon meeting him, i just was shocked to find out that hes actually kind of a calm and collected guy who is not this monster that you see on these ce...

Of car you drive, what type of house you live in, how much money you got. thats kind of irrelevant in prison because its a pecking order society. its the strong, you know, and thats how you survive. >> before i met him, all i had was this image of this gruff, ripped guy who could take on the whole team of officers, and upon meeting him, i just was shocked to find out that hes actually kind of a calm and collected guy who is not this monster that you see on these cell extraction videos. >> i didn...

>> before i met him, all i had was this image of this gruff, ripped guy who could take on the whole team of officers, and upon meeting him, i just was shocked to find out that hes actually kind of a calm and collected guy who is not this monster that you see on these cell extraction videos. >> i didnt even know how to turn the computer on until recently. >> what was most interesting to me about roy is he was just learning how to use a computer. and he had been told by everybody that he was somew...

Of car you drive, what type of house you live in, how much money you got. thats kind of irrelevant in prison because its a pecking order society. its the strong, you know, and thats how you survive. >> before i met him, all i had was this image of this gruff, ripped guy who could take on the whole team of officers, and upon meeting him, i just was shocked to find out that hes actually kind of a calm and collected guy who is not this monster that you see on these cell extraction videos. >> i didn...

Everythings uniform. it dont matter about what type of car you drive, what type of house you live in, how much money you got. thats kind of irrelevant in prison because its a pecking order society. its the strong, you know, and thats how you survive. >> before i met him, all i had was this image of this gruff, ripped guy who could take on the whole team of officers, and upon meeting him, i just was shocked to find out that hes actually kind of a calm and collected guy who is not this monster tha...

Money you got. thats kind of irrelevant in prison because its a pecking order society. its the strong, you know, and thats how you survive. >> before i met him, all i had was this image of this gruff, ripped guy who could take on the whole team of officers, and upon meeting him i was shocked to find out that hes actually kind of a calm and collected guy who is not this monster that you see on these cell extraction videos. >> i didnt even know how to turn the computer on until recently. >> what w...

So we decided we would go out and visit with roy and talk to him about his brother and about how it is being out of prison. >> roy, who had served his time at a different prison than ray, had been out for four months at the time of our visit. but after nearly 20 years of incarceration, much of it in solitary confinement, he was still struggling with the transition to the free world. >> you go from a pecking order type mentality into an economic society, and its tough, it really is, because every...

With his parents, and roy and ray are very close. so we decided we would go out and visit with roy and talk to him about his brother and about how it is being out of prison. >> roy, who had served his time at a different prison than ray, had been out for four months at the time of our visit. but after nearly 20 years of incarceration, much of it in solitary confinement, he was still struggling with the transition to the free world. >> you go from a pecking order type mentality into an economic s...

>> you go from a pecking order type mentality into an economic society, and its tough, it really is, because everybody is wearing the same clothes, everything is uniform. it dont matter about what type of car you drive, what type of house you live in, how much money you got. thats kind of irrelevant in prison because its a pecking order society. its the strong, you know, and thats how you survive. >> before i met him, all i had was this image of this gruff, ripped guy who could take on the whole...