passage and a more legitimate way for people to find asylum. tow; for people to find asylum. tony smith, what — for people to find asylum. tony smith, what you _ for people to find asylum. tony smith, what you say, _ for people to find asylum. tony smith, what you say, create i for people to find asylum. tony smith, what you say, create safe passage as a way of breaking the criminal business model and address the rhetoric which robinjenkins sees as incendiary and lacking in empathy? i sees as incendiary and lacking in emath ? ., ., ., empathy? i do agree some of the rhetoric we _ empathy? i do agree some of the rhetoric we have _ empathy? i do agree some of the rhetoric we have seen _ empathy? i do agree some of the rhetoric we have seen this - empathy? i do agree some of the rhetoric we have seen this week | empathy? i do agree some of the i rhetoric we have seen this week has been _ rhetoric we have seen this week has been unfortunate, i've worked in borders— been unfortunate, i've worked in borders and immigration all of my life and _ borders and immigration all of my life and worked in the home office for 30 _ life and worked in the home office for 30 years in this area, its politically— for 30 years in this area, its politically toxic and always has been — politically toxic and always has been we _ politically toxic and always has been. we need to be careful in our language _ been. we need to be careful in our language and how we debate the issues _ language and how we debate the issues because we are seeing increased _ issues because we are seeing increased polarity from both sides, as you'd _ increased polarity from both sides, as you'd expect, having worked in the border— as you'd expect, having worked in the border force for all of that time, — the border force for all of that time, i— the border force for all of that time, i think it's right we should decide _ time, i think it's right we should decide who gets to come to this country~ — decide who gets to come to this country. who should be invited through— country. who should be invited through legal rights, through visas etc. through legal rights, through visas etc the _
health service, education, interest rates, mortgages, building houses? certainly the conservative see it is very important for the crucial swing voters. it may be all about survival for rishi sunak because the opinion polls at the moment are not looking great for the tories. tommy smith's former head of border welcome back. robinjenkins, former rnli volunteer for 20 plus years, founder of the international bird rescue charity atlantic pacific. robin, what do you think about the rhetoric around this and the political weight that is put upon it? good morning to you. good morninu. upon it? good morning to you. good morning- i — upon it? good morning to you. good morning- i find _ upon it? good morning to you. good morning. i find it _ upon it? good morning to you. good morning. i find it very _ upon it? good morning to you. (emf. morning. i find it very disturbing. ifind it very morning. i find it very disturbing. i find it very disappointing that the language that we used to describe our fellow human beings who are desperately looking for safety