passage and a more legitimate way for people to find asylum. tow; for people to find asylum. tony smith, what — for people to find asylum. tony smith, what you _ for people to find asylum. tony smith, what you say, _ for people to find asylum. tony smith, what you say, create i for people to find asylum. tony smith, what you say, create safe passage as a way of breaking the criminal business model and address the rhetoric which robinjenkins sees as incendiary and lacking in empathy? i sees as incendiary and lacking in emath ? ., ., ., empathy? i do agree some of the rhetoric we _ empathy? i do agree some of the rhetoric we have _ empathy? i do agree some of the rhetoric we have seen _ empathy? i do agree some of the rhetoric we have seen this - empathy? i do agree some of the rhetoric we have seen this week | empathy? i do agree some of the i rhetoric we have seen this week has been _ rhetoric we have seen this week has been unfortunate, i've worked in borders— been unfortunate, i've worked in borders and immigration all of my life and _ borders and immigration all of my life and worked in the home office for 30 _ life and worked in the home office for 30 years in this area, its politically— for 30 years in this area, its politically toxic and always has been — politically toxic and always has been we _ politically toxic and always has been. we need to be careful in our language _ been. we need to be careful in our language and how we debate the issues _ language and how we debate the issues because we are seeing increased _ issues because we are seeing increased polarity from both sides, as you'd _ increased polarity from both sides, as you'd expect, having worked in the border— as you'd expect, having worked in the border force for all of that time, — the border force for all of that time, i— the border force for all of that time, i think it's right we should decide _ time, i think it's right we should decide who gets to come to this country~ — decide who gets to come to this country. who should be invited through— country. who should be invited through legal rights, through visas etc. through legal rights, through visas etc the _
yesterday after crossing the channel in small boats, that's the highest daily total since records began four years ago. so far this year more than 22,000 people arrived in the uk in dinghies orsimilar, and last year more than 28,500 people made the crossing. the home office says the rise is unacceptable, with the government describing it as an evil, criminal business model and putting in tighter laws to target people—smuggling gangs. it had promised tighter border controls after leaving the european union and planned to deport some people to rwanda as a deterrent. those plans are on hold while a judicial review decides the policy's legality, with the first deportation flight grounded back in june. and last month a home affairs committee report said there was no evidence it would deter crossings. many people have family who they want to be with, who they feel secure with, so they want to claim asylum in the uk with their family.
and over and over again. everybody we talked to conjunction with the "national enquirer" today, every veteran, and we didn't just talk to those guys, we talked to others, used the term blackmail. they used it over and over again. >> i'm going to slow you down but give you the mike back. this is a criminal business model. >> i'm not going to use the term criminal. >> your sources are describing basically getting material -- >> yep. >> and making money through repeat crime, blackmail, extortion, allegedly. >> allegedly. and not only that, but sometimes they would work with the very lawyers of the targets of this. in other words, you would get some celebrity. their own lawyers would have dirt on them, serve it up to these private investigators who would serve it up to the "national enquirer" and then they would do a kind of blackmail or some kind of trade deal. >> yeah. >> and then, now, it's not just what they do to celebrities, it's also their attitude towards adversarial journalists, which they've done over and over and
nicholas is a pulitzer prize winning new york journalists who does humanitarian investigations. let's keep it at his level. >> they are helping refugees and they came back to describe what they did for the national enquirer which is the same kind of intimidation tactic over and over again. everybody we talked to in conjunction with the national enquirer today, every veteran and we didn't just talk to those guys. they used the term blackmail. used it over and over again. >> i'll slow you down but give you the mike back. this is a criminal business model. >> i'm not going to use the term -- >> your sources are describing bas basically getting material and making money through repeat crime. blackmail and extortion, allegedly. >> allegedly. sometimes they would work with
>> they are helping refugees and they came back to describe what they did for the national ey enquirer which is the same kind of intimidation tactic over and over again. everybody we talked to in conjunction with the national enquirer today, every veteran ir and we didn't just talk to those guys. they used the term blackmail. used it over and over again. >> i'll slow you down but give you the mike back. this is a criminal business model. >> i'm not going to use the term >> your sources are describing basically getting material and making money through repeat al crime. blackmail and extortion, allegedly. >> allegedly. sometimes they would work with the very lawyers of the targets of this.f you would get a celebrity. their own lawyer would have dirt on them and serve it to the private investigator and serve v it up to the national enquirer and they would do a blackmail or trade deal.
approach if we want a solution for the problem. we need to understand that it is a market where there is supply and demand. we need to work together, collaboration has to be mutual. not only from the u.s. supporting mexico but also from mexico supporting the u.s., to completely disrupt a business model, a criminal business model, that is creating large profits for these cartels but is also -- but is killing people on both sides of the border. >> the violence of the cartels, what do you believe is the best practice in trying to eradicate? >> help we need from the u.s. that is very important. stop illegal abutments flowing from the u.s. into mexico. we think about illegal stuff moving from the border south to north. but people forget that most guns -- we are not talking small guns. we are talking heavy weapons, that get to the cartels and create literally small armies out of the cartels.