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Of his constitutional role and simply declare that certain states electoral college votes wouldnt be accepted. so, i would want to ask him about all of that. what was the grand theory of how they were going to overturn the election in the final analysis? and what was the interaction contemplated between the violent insurrection, the unleashing of the extremist groups against us with the inside political coup, the attempt to put the oppressor on pence and to put a rabbit out of the hat in terms o...

Desantis desantis said about abortion. >> he didnt give an answer about would you have signed the heartbeat law that florida did. that had all the exceptions that people talk about? >> i disagree with president trump about the heartbeat bill. certainly support what florida passed. >> how is this going to affect 2024 and where voters come down on donald trump, on pence, desantis, any of the candidates weighing in on this? >> yeah. obviously pro-life activists and voertz play a huge role in determ...

Take that one step further. -- what answers about those conversations might be problematic for donald trump? >> mike pence is a crucial witness here. as a prosecutor, you absolutely have to have his testimony, for better or worse. and this is why prosecutors are going to go into the courts and fight and win to get is that testimony. i would exactly focus on what andy pointed out, especially the one-on-one conversations between mike pence and donald trump. lets keep in mind that there are no othe...

Testimony cant really be overstated. as we know from the work of the january 6th committee, there were numerous lines of potential criminal conspiracies the committee looked into. two of them involved putting pressure on mike pence, one to pressure pence to refuse to certify the election at all, and the second line of attack was to pressure pence to delay the certification needed of the election. we know that there were meetings about those topics between pence and trump on january 4th, on janua...

>> i think it does indicate that theyre clearly towards the end of their investigation. how much is left. thats hard to say. pence is certainly, as you say, the top of the food chain, although i want to be clear. i would really doubt that pence is being looked at as a target of this investigation. i think hes pretty fully in the witness category. the one other person that i would say, john, who is really the remaining outlier here that were wondering or when he will is mark meadows. and meadows,...

Pence is certainly, as you say, at the top of the food chain, although i want to be clear, i would really doubt that pence is being looked at as a target of this -- he is pretty fully in the witness category. the one of the person that i would say, john, who is really the remaining outlier that were we are wondering when he will testify is mark meadows. meadows, we can sit around and argue all night who could be the more significant witness, pence or meadows. there is good arguments on both side...

For five hours so it gave you an indication that the painstaking detail the prosecutors likely wanted to get into with pence perhaps about a couple things they heard from other witnesses, but also events that were playing out between pence and the former president that perhaps only he could speak to, only he could provide in firsthand detail. >> so does this appearance by the former vice president suggest anything about the special counsels timetable, at this point? >> it doesnt mean that pence ...

Conspiracies that the committee looked into. but two of them involved putting pressure on mike pence. one to pressure pence to refuse to certify the election at all, and the second line of attack was the pressured pence to delay the certification needed the election. we know that there were meetings about those topics between pence and trump on january 4th, on january 5th and then, the if a miss infamous outrage phone call from trump to pence on the morning of january 6th. mike pence has likely ...