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19 states would refuse medicaid. >> in terms of how many people are on the exchanges, they have it backwards on that they were wrong there. wrong on how many people were going to buy it, they thought the mandate was going to force everybody into the effort, getting rid of the effort, they think will make everyone get out of it. theyre wrong in both directions. the most important thing, theyre raiding 1/3 of the republican plan, this is the reconciliation package, its a piece of the puzzle. there...

Desperately need health insurance. >> when you say the cbos numbers were off. how do you respond to that. >> i dont understand -- >> by a lot. >> wait a minute, can i say what i dont understand? the original cbo estimates of obama care was off because there were changes that had to be made in obama care, and a lot of states did not express. did not decide to expand medicaid coverage obviously theres going to be a change in terms of what the estimate is going to be. that doesnt mean that right no...

>> of course its a punch in the gut to republicans, because 24 million people are predicted to lose their -- >> you said its a punch in the gut, not the cbo. >> you can attack the cbo, the problem is, with attacking the cbo. the head was appointed by the republican congress, headed by a conservative republican economist who has expressed in the past real problems with obama care, you cant say this is biassed one way or the other the cbo is fan partisan, and if anything, the cbo is a republican r...

Absolutely beautiful, nobodys going to lose coverage. what other source do we have of understanding the consequences of this, other than the nonpartisan, republican headed congressional budget office. >> what do you think, do you think republicans are willing to put the deficit over ensuring americans? >> you have it completely backwards. we have a system that was supposed to reduce the cost of health care for americans. the president ran on a promise that he would reduce it by $2500. and it wen...

When the cbo told us how many people obama care would cover. today there would be 22 million changes. the cbo has not a good record on those predictions. what was big today and what your conversation so far has missed completely. is the cbo just scored this plan, the trump paul ryan obama care repeal and beginning of reform, they scored this as deficit -- as decreasing the deficit. and that means that it can be passed with 51 votes in the senate. the only thing the cbo score, in the whole thing,...

Reduction, it means theres a lot of wiggle room, theres a lot of improvement in there to earn house company concerns and senate republican concerns the cbos numbers. >> we discussed whether or not it would pass, youre not saying the 14 or the 24 million people who may not have health insurance between now and 2026, youre not saying that number is not important? >> no, the cbo is saying that number is less important, because they have a track record of being off -- completely off. you look at the...

Top republicans in congress pushing back on the congressional budget office report, which says millions more americans will be uninsured if the health care bill becomes law. lets discuss, grover norquist is here cnns senior economic analyst. author of saving capitalism for the many, not the few. perfect two guests to discuss this, gentlemen, thank you so much. the cbo, congressional budget office, analyzed this new gop health plan heres what they estimate, 14 million more people would be uninsur...

Premiums jumping 20% by 2019, but decreasing in the years after that. joining me now is joe manchin democrat of west virginia. thank you for joining us here. >> thanks for having me. >> the cbo score of the new health care report is out. well put it up to these numbers, look at those numbers, whats your reaction to this? >> basically theyre saying were going to have a savings of $300 p.m. over 10 years, let me tell you whats not great and whats morally wrong. theyre going do have a $575 billion ...

Lemon. major snowstorm just beginning to hit the east coast now. the justice department stalling, turning over evidence of president trumps wiretapping claim. the house intelligence committee warning they mesa pina the administration if they dont get answers. thats the capitol, look at that. thats the snow coming down, and theres more to come this is going to be nuts. if the plan goes through, a stunning 24 million fewer americans would have health care coverage 10 years from now. and a lot of t...