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But they tried to hack into actual election systems at a local level. how big of a deal is that? >> yeah. well and again, youre not seeing the raw intelligence here first of all. i think thats the key point to make. and also this -- >> what does that mean? >> youre not seeing the details. not watching them do the math. there were reports last fall during the campaign that russia was -- youre getting away from the propaganda side and more on to the technical side that russia had started to look i...

From what the trump brand used to do. >> i want to share more of what eric trump had to say about this. >> we dont talk about the activities of the business, what were doing in the business. we just dont mix the separation -- >> showing profit reports doesnt blur the lines? >> doesnt blur the lines. >> the president of the united states has zero conflicts of interest. zero. >> theyre not going to share profits because the numbers are too complicated but theyre sharing the spirit and idea. >> the...

Steve, at some point, when they say there is no conflicts of interest, they sort of say it with a smirky smile. at some point, when is there an issue? just yesterday it was reported that, in the trump hotels, saudi lobbyists have spent 250 grand. the trump organization is saying were going to donate it to the justice department. caveat, after the fact. when does this become an actual problem? >> i think politically speaking, the concept, politically of original sin. go back to the campaign, the ...

>> this has been the central tension this administration, it was the central tsion of donald trumps campaign, can he take direction from the career professionals around him. can he take direction, you know, when lawyers step in in a situation like this and say this is different than, you know, being sort of in politic on a matter of policy can he take that direction. thats going to be something thats interesting to say. one of the things i keep thinking of with the comey thing, how comey handled...

>> its the greatest hoax of all time. i was there throughout the campaign. we have no dealings in russia. we have to projects in russia. we have nothing to do with russia. >> i mean to me, its without a question, you know, reads and smells like a witchhunt. >> from who guys who previously said they do do business with russia. >> this makes no sense. if they were honest about this and said look, this is about approachment we want a better relationship with russia all of this would end. the reason...