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Transcripts for MSNBC Velshi 20240604 15:42:00

it crosses the legal threshold when falsehoods are employed to facilitate criminal deeds. samuel double buell, a law professor and former prosecutor, perhaps sums it up best, speaking to the new york times, bill says there is no first amendment privilege for giving directions or suggestions to other people to engage in illegal acts. tony soprano cannot invoke the first amendment for telling his crew he wants someone whacked. special counsel jack smith outlined 21 false the surgeons made by trump that were allegedly used to persuade others to engage in criminal conduct. here is some of the bigger lies noted in the indictment. trump claimed and continues to claim that massive fraud change the outcome of the 2020 election and that he, in fact, one. this remains his overarching big lie, if you, will about the election, despite knowing that this narrative was false. as the indictment points out, numerous senior officials in his administration had told him this was false. he persisted and spreading the

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Transcripts for MSNBC Velshi 20240604 15:48:00

and to blocking the certification. if you can go to prison for just telling a lie. donald trump would have gotten locked up a long time ago. nobody prosecuted trump for his big lie that president obama was born in kenya. as joyce knows, the first pen and doesn't protect all speech. if you tell someone, i'm gonna kick your, but that's a threat, if you tell an employee, hide that videotape that the grand jury is asking for, that's obstruction. so, ali, it's not what trump did, that's not what he said, it's what he did that he's being prosecuted for, sticking the mob on pence during his insurrection speech. that wasn't just words. >> i was like people bring up the allegation that barack obama was -- mostly cause it gives me chance to remind people effectuate canyon born muslim, and barack obama wasn't that any of the meetings. joyce, samuel buell's prosecutor, makes an interesting point in which he

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Transcripts for MSNBC Velshi 20240604 15:54:15

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