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>> well you figure out the answer to that. >> gavin you have strong views on etiquette. >> and i am an alcoholic so i am passed out on planes. >> how will you answer this? the guy -- you have to -- i have been on planes and riding in a plane is just pure suffering at this point. we like to get ourselves to the point we pass out and i have fallen asleep on a gentleman that looked like the santa guy. i woke up on a chinese man. what happened was the original fat guy said this is uncomfortable and ...

What i meant. and also give knowledge to the fact that maybe she needs to learn a little bit about what have you. this isnt about megyn kelly. and she did that on friday, actually, but i dont think she understood quite what her guests were saying as white as a default, so in popular depictions, yes, santa is depicted as white, but santa is a fixzal character where we get to decide in our own minds what santa is as children. and i asked a bunch of people on my way here, they were like, hey, youre...

But then you know there are cases of black santas, right, which are controversial? you look at black pete in the netherlands. >> i cant believe this is a thing. >> the black pete in the netherlands is a huge controversial figure. >> i was talking to someone about that the other day. >> because santa is black. >> its like black face in the holidays. >> because its white people in black face. thats the thing that gets people set off. >> there was a "new york times" piece about that recently. >> so...