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Lose. i dont think that he will lose south carolina, i think that he will win south carolina. >> possibly that he will win bigger than we think? >> programerhaps. exactly. hillary clinton won resoundedly in south kcarolina over bernie sanders. because we had lost new hampshire, barely won nevada. and so that momentum carried us into super tuesday. and you look at the fact that you wont have i think a clear frontrunner out of the first four states. you go into super tuesday, michael bloomberg is ...

Doing pretty well with latino voters. we havent mentioned the mayor. he has a good presence in new hampshire, a really good presence in iowa, we know that he has money. im getting he has a decent presence, but he hasnt -- his name hasnt rolled off your lips yet. >> are you talking about bernie sanders? >> really? is mayor buttigieg not making an impression in nevada? >> actually, i think that those are the two mounderrated candidates, both the mayor and bernie sanders. lets me talk about the may...

Iowa. and well get the impeachment trial out of the way and get there. lets get to the panel. eugene, you know, every four year, people try to say maybe iowa wont matter as of this time. and yet here we are again. the person that wins this first, whether it is biden or buttigieg, it will matter. >> absolutely. and for a few reasons. midwestern voters matter and they really matter when you have candidates competing for the white house whose brand is -- im a midwestern and that is what america nee...

Iowa. weve seen them barn storm the hawkeye state. >> that lhello eyiowa? >> hello iowa! >> hello iowa! >> after the iowa caucuses of course comes the new hampshire primary and then the 1/2 1nevad caucus cuss and then the four fights in february and all four could fooit decide tdecide the primary. d democrats say buttigieg could win iowa, warren wins new hampshire, and then there is this guy michael bloomberg, he is all in on the super tuesday strategy. so he isnt factoring into this just yet. s...

So they might be looking at a moderate democrat, whether biden, klobuchar or pete buttigieg. >> and that brings me to the other unique test that new hampshire brings and why it is such -- when you put it in as one of the first four hurdles that you have to clear, it is a good one and that is winning over independents. winning over the undeclared voters and possibly even republicans who decide to vote in the democratic primary. have you seen much evidence of them actively trying to appeal to that...

Impeachment on this race will be it could stall candidates like klobuchar and booker and warn w warren who will be stuck in washington, d.c. at an impeachment style. >> and on turnout, highest was 08. pretty big turnout in 16 even. that got to about 170. will this top 08, will it get it 250,000? >> it is hard to say that right now. ive been trying to pay attention to the voter registration numberings in iowa, and i dont see an up stick in voter registration yet. my suspicion is campaigns likes w...

Thing, you know. you get love in iowa or new hampshire, and then sort of slingshots you to south carolina. as much as i like him, i think there are systemic issues in the black community that he cant overcome. so i dont see that where im turning before south carolina. >> and can anybody really make an inroads with the african-american vote other than biden of who we have left? bernie sanders hasnt had a great history of winning over an african-american voter. elizabeth warren hasnt had to appeal...

Convince republicans that he should? it is hard to imagine what that would be. >> well, former vice president joe biden launched an eight-day bus tour of iowa over the weekend pledging that he will win the states states february caucuses. despite recent polls that suggest otherwise, biden was optimistic telling a few hundred supporters, quote, were gonna win this race and were gonna beat donald trump and were going to change america. meanwhile, bidens aide acknowledged he must sharpen his messag...

When candidates, say buttigieg and warren have taken different approaches in terms of fighting within the democratic party themselves, but also donald trump. >> essentially it was a story i wrote over the weekend for the times and its about the nature of fighting itself, political fighting it self. its a style piece in a way that joe biden, pete buttigieg, you know, mainly in the democratic field are sort of seen as a last combat within the field. theyre using language thats more unified and the...

Yes, theres enthusiasm for both candidates from the supporters. both of them have proven to be very formidable and theyve hung around and buttigieg has risen in the last several weeks. but i think also theres a level of -- i wouldnt want to sayer is say serenity, but theres a more sort of solid passion for the candidate and also just some real anxiety about whether in the general election people -- if they want to beat donald trump, whether, you know, whether elizabeth warren and bernie sanders ...