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You just dont usually see it publicly like this. but what this -- >> i remember nancy reagan, when she didnt like donald regan, the chief of staff, she told bernie shaw at cnn to announce on television, hes been fired. >> well, what this probably means is shes tried another route, right? shes tried -- i mean, this is someone that has gotten on to cross hairs both at the white house -- has already been, just like these other people you mentioned, jeff sessions, secretary nielsen, these are people...