okay. so now we ve got none of this information in the government archives. now, do you believe and i know that there are a lot of people who have said that if you are the secretary of state, most of what you re dealing with is classify classified. do you believe there can be possibly no classified e-mails on that personal e-mail? no. it s impossible. anything that she communicated about, about u.s. foreign policy, which is some of the most sought after information in the world, is necessarily classified. all right. so, if she has classified information on a personal e-mail or a personal server, isn t that a violation of the secrecy laws? didn t general petraeus get into trouble and plead to a misdemeanor for the same thing? yes. she was supposed to put all of that on an appropriate government server and the rule that sets that assumes that using your personal e-mail is the exception, not the rule.
reextort that. given the result of the staten island grand jury, should the governor have taken the step before the grand jury was empanelled in staten island? i don t want to second-guess that. one thing that needs to be addressed in new york and other states as well, is the completely opaque grand jury process. we have the toughest some of the toughest laws in the country on making it impossible for anyone to know what goes on in a grand jury, and that i think anyone who says they think dan donovan did or didn t do a proper job, they can t know because they can t get access to the information. other states have different laws. when the legislature and the governor get to work on this, one issue they have to address is this black box of the grand jury in new york, which has very tough secrecy laws. what you would like to see in a solution that creates an independent office that these cases are fed to. well, it has to deal with the law that is in several
death. another in missouri was executed early wednesday morning. and in less than two hours, an inmate in florida will be executed by lethal injection. 60 minutes later, another prisoner in pennsylvania faces the very same fate. since oklahoma s messy execution, more attention has been paid to the secrecy surrounding the drugs use in lethal ingestion. in the face of drug shortage, 13 states have forced to keep that a secret. despite dozens of challenges from the media, the supreme court has to not decided to hear a full case on secrecy laws, not yet at least. joining me now, director of the equal justice initiative, brian steve venson. let me start if i may with you first. given all of the work you have done at eji and bringing it to the high court, do you think it is a matter of time before the
either they re watching and they don t want their adversesaries to know they re watching, or they re not watching and they don t want them to know there s gaps and wholes in the surve surveillan surveillance. in some of these countries, take pakistan, the military is its own entity, it calls the shots, and the government is not in a position to force them to turn it over when they re sort of in charge. other countries may have secrecy laws and there s a whole separate thing here where malaysia has never handled this sort of thing before. this is all first time for them. it s the first time for a lot of these countries. so there isn t a history, aren t protocols, isn t any practice. people are having to create this for the first time and governments tend to be slow movers. they don t tend to be nimble and quick in trying to share information like this. you know, i appreciate all that, but there doesn t have to be a protocol for humanity, does there? i hear what you re saying. this w
$118,000 a strange amount. what facts do you think compelled the jury to indict, dan. the facts are important but we don t know what was released led to the grand jury to indict the parents. john ramsey said through an inattorney, if they release the indictment, release the testimony from the grand jury we can see what led to this conclusion and we can note any weaknesses in what the grand jury considered. they did not obviously consider the dna evidence that came out around 2008 that seemed to exonerate the parents. we don t know what evidence the grand jury used. the judge that released this grand jury indictment said the actual transcripts are protected under secrecy laws, because there is not actual finding they can t be made public. patti ann: ashley, dan making great points that john ramsey s lawyer fought against release of 18 pages say it has to be all or nothing. just the summary would be defamtory against him and as dan said, a lot of information has come out since then, dn