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Equivalent of the grand jury part where theyre doing the investigation. i think its important for us to remember that unlike the clinton and nixon impeachment proceedings, this one has not had the benefit of a special counsel or independent counsel investigating for a long time in privacy behind closed doors. theyre having to react pretty much in real time. so before they can go public, they need do the investigation in private to shape it, to figure out who are the good witnesses that have valu...

>> its unequivocal -- >> let me jump in here. andre, if this was such a perfect call and you didnt see anything wrong with it. colonel vindman testified this week -- and hes the top ukraine expert, he testified he was told by the white house lawyer john eisenberg not to discuss the presidents call. then eisenberg and other national security council lawyers put it in this higher security serve. i it was such a perfect call, why was there so much energy inside the white house exerted to limit acce...