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Chance now of convincing both of them that the kind of reform that jeff merkley and others in the senate democratic caucus have put together. which includes the idea that in frank and i have had for a long time from moving to 60 required to -- 41 regard to continue. it required with the talking filibuster. but giving a lot of role for the minority. both to speak and offer amendments. actually, it is something that senator manchins predecessors, robert byrd, would support. and that given the grav...

All right. nbcs charles hadlock in austin for us. charles, thanks so much. >> sure. a proposed rule change on capitol hill has touched off a firestorm as well. see why, next. ♪ [ slap! ] [ male announcer ] your favorite foods fighting you? fight back fast with tums. calcium-rich tums starts working so fast youll forget you had heartburn. ♪ tum tum tum tum tums [ herbie ] eh, hold on brent, whats this? mmmm, nice car. theres no doubt, thats definitely gonna throw him off. shes seen it too. ...