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Joining us is ambassador wendy sherman, former undersecretary of state during the obama administration. also an msnbc global affairs contributor. ambassador sherman, what should the secretary of state have known and done about what rudy giuliani was up to? >> if rudy giuliani was going to ukraine and meeting in other countries with aides to the head of ukraine, the state department -- as the presidents political lawyer, the state department really should have had nothing to do with it. to put se...

Sherman, former undersecretary of state during the obama administration. also an msnbc global affairs contributor. ambassador sherman, what should the secretary of state have known and done about what rudy giuliani was up to? >> if rudy giuliani was going to ukraine and meeting in other countries with aides to the head of ukraine, the state department -- is the presidents political lawyer, the state department really should have had nothing to do with it. to put senior foreign service officers, ...

Giuliani acting as the presidents setup guy. his interview last night on a another network was really to get the story out there that this was all about going after investigating joe biden, when, in fact, glenn kessler of "the washington post" has long said that the facts do not support that theres any wrongdoing here whatsoever, been cleared by the ukrainians regarding vice president bidens son. theres no there there. and yet to keep trumps group supporting him and trying to ensure his re-elect...