that she was going to use, which is that she said it was the worst day, not the best day, and she wasn t going to go anywhere near anything else. yeah, it was because she used the line multiple times. multiple times. she had said donald trump calls it a great day, and i think it was a terrible day or a sad day and would never think otherwise. and when pressed, she repeated that line. we ve seen out on the trail where she she doesn t want to engage on the conspiracy theories piece of it, and all of the debunked claims around the election. she starts zeroing in on some states changed their election laws. mm-hmm. in the midst of an unprecedented pandemic to make sure that an election can come off and people had access to vote. that is true. states did change their laws, states that joe biden won, states that donald trump won. right. changed some of their laws. she uses that as a way to sort of, i feel like, seidel up and
that is true. states did change their laws, states that joe biden won, states that donald trump won. right. changed some of their laws. she uses that as a way to sort of, i feel, sidle up and say, hey, i can use the election integrity line here and not offend those who are enthralled with donald trump and the maga movement and committed to the election lies without subscribing myself to the election lies. to your point, abby, if indeed she s the nominee and if this progresses, it seems to me she s going to be pressed to take a much firmer stand when it comes to the integrity of elections and accepting election results and whether or not there s a place for any kind of lies about the 2020 election. but it also puts into question maybe it puts into focus actually where she thinks she needs to play in order to get the most votes. and it isn t against donald trump right now. it s against ron desantis and the other people running against donald trump because there are others who arg
confrontational tone for disney. and donald trump, implying trump without saying. i want to go back to abortion because this is an issue that tripped up republicans in the 2022 midterms. and this is an issue that republican strategists are trying to and activists are trying to work with candidates to try to find the right language, never mind the right policy positions. and she punk d him. and she said, i m punting, basically. and that s not going to fly with evangelical christians, with the antiabortion movement, which is very powerful still in the republican party. they ve been pretty clear. they want candidates who are on that stage, who are running for president on the republican side, to say how many weeks they are willing to support an abortion ban. she refused to say that. she said there was a federal role, but she made point and she s probably right about this.
earlier and harder than she did. i thought that was coming sooner. i was surprised about that. bottom line for me, she might be the most polished politician in the race. the trouble is, this primary is taking place in a party that doesn t love polished politicians right now. when she s winding up, she gives a lot of politician pab lumbar before he gets into the substance of it. and people aren t into it right now since donald trump came onto the scene. what is your sense of how she did? she came to the table astute, prepared, and substantive on policy. my fear is that s not necessarily what republican primary voters want right now. she was incredibly effective in spending. she sounded like a candidate from eight to ten years ago, when we did stand with our allies abroad. but she articulated it better than most. and i think the case she needs to continue to make is on day one, i have the experience as a governor and former u.n. ambassador to deal with world
and the same was true on the retirement age. you know, she took the big swing at the retirement issue. where should the retirement age be? i m not going to tell you. i m an accountant. i ve got to look at the numbers. you know? so, what i see is what i thought, which is going in, which is she has the talent to be very effective on the stump. but she tries to slice the salami too thin sometimes. and in presidential politics, ultimately that catches up with you. you can tell what her path is to what she perceives as the nomination. it is right through ron desantis. she had many times this evening, jake ask specifically questions about donald trump. and she didn t address him specifically. she talked about the issue, never really going after him until later. i asked her campaign, is this intentional? is this what you plan to do? and they said, there was never a calculated strategy not to go after donald trump.