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Things. so it was watergate, it was vietnam, it was people were beginning to say the politics of mccarthy talked about the politics that wasnt just meat and potatoes, there was a certain psychic or maybe spiritual or -- people were looking for meaning. >> so i always joke that i have been around so long in journalism and politics that i was around when jerry brown was governor of california because i came around just about the time that you took office and i remember people thought of you as kin...