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I guess well never learn for sure? >> they had all kinds of information that backed up what the allegations were, so the fact that rick gates was a criminal himself didnt sway the jury and he basically walked away. this is going to be an easy, factual thing to lay down unlike the campaign finance which the argument has been its a squishy crime, its not a real crime. this idea of collusion, corruption, quid pro quos. if they have e-mails that make these requests, thats going to be tough, i think,...

Question. >> the president personally directed his long-time attorney michael cohen to lie to congress about negotiations involving the trump tower. is that true or false? >> yes, but the presidents attorney also addressed this. im not going to give any credence or credibility to michael cohen. >> with me today to share their approximate insights, cnns shimon prokupecz and a member of the white house independent counsel. lets start with you, shimon, because you spent months and months and months...