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Even tom brokaw agrees with me on this. roll the tape. >> does he stay on the job? >> boy, i think its tough to see how he does in this case but its up to the president. from a political point of view, one of the ways that you can measure the impact of all of this and the fairness of it is think if this had happened in the bush administration with john ashcroft as the attorney general. you know full well if the democrats on the left would be going very hard after them with these issues that are ...

Number two, the 157 visits to the white house, plouffe was sent out there by the white house. is he there on those programs representing the white house is that okay? who are they? when did that happen? >> well, actually its 161. >> bill: oh its four more. how do you know that? >> because im keeping up on the stats. >> bill: so its more. >> 161. which is -- look, i would have loved to have the moment to do it. five people and 23 minutes. >> bill: you ignore them. you just do what i tell to you d...