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-- >> i never said to torture anyone. >> i never set to fortune anyone. >> let make that clear. let me finish this. you obviously dont understand what im saying. im -- ben, im son keeding the point. what maybe is maybe as interrogation. but my min in both cases there is an ethical challenge that is here in the nation. in other words just because it works does it mean we should do it? thats the problem. >> what would you propose then? >> no matter what happens at 911, that dund abserve us from mo...