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And likely coming soon. and so its not uncommon in a high profile case for defense council to ask for a meeting to just make their pitch. and prosecutors usually woke up those meetings because there may be something they dont know about the case. if theres information that will change my mind, by all means, bring it on. let me hear it. but ill tell you what really works. for example, what -- from time to time i would take these meetings. i remember one time where we actually changed our mind abo...