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immediately themselves lisa rubin is here to make sense of the law and both new york magazine and uc law professor mary ziegler are here to discuss the consequences for health care and politics lets get right to the reporting and the law, and joining us now are msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin as promised and uc davis law school professor, an expert on the law, will join us in a moment lets talk, lisa, about what the law currently says and what that might mean for how the justices decid...

the need for proof of any actual election fraud listen. >> it cant just be, you know, somebody tweeted this. its got to be demonstrable facts that can be laid out with evidence because thats what a court of law is going to look to, not just an allegation, but actual facts and so i feel im hopeful -- you know, im hoping rudy comes on the show tomorrow and he has some of those facts and i hope the legal team continues to lay out the specific evidence because thats what its going to take ...