circus continues in the house. did either of you approve the shadow banning of my account at lauren boebert? david plouffe and jen psaki and how the president rattled republicans. at one point, it looked like you are trying to shush your side of the aisle. what happened? plus, the secret planes tickets are social security hiding in plain sight. if it was matt gates, i think that we do need reforms to social security and medicare. the latest ruling chapter from the scolding of george santos. it wasn t very normative of him. this all starts right now. good evening, i m chris hayes. if nothing else, the last 24 hours have given us some perfect illustration of the very different, rhetorical universes at the two political parties are living in. on the one sand, president biden, who just delivered his second official state of the union address last night. of course, being president, joe biden holds a unique position. he gets to deliver a speech to over 27 million am
can t really care about. but we have already tested this general republican message on a broader scale, in the midterm elections. they tried to persuade swing voters with this kind of thing, and it mostly bombed. most republicans seemed intent on not learning that lesson. most of the house is happy for them not to. david plouffe, former campaign manager for barack obama s 2008 presidential campaign. also serving as the jen psaki, former press secretary for president biden, and msnbc host. they both join me now. david, let me go to you first, just on the kind of split screen effect here of the state of the union, and the hunter biden twitter laptop hearing, as to examples of approaches to political speech, and political persuasion. i felt that the president, he just kind of dunked on them all night last night, and it didn t really seem like today it made me realize or understand it of
there is no question about it. and president trump notwithstanding is very commendable and sincere speech this morning did not, has not embraced the alliances that have been the linchpin of u.s. national security. so it is a good argument we ve gotten increasingly in trouble in the last two years. and there is always the split screen effect with president trump when he s overseas. there is the teleprompter trump and then there is twitter trump. he said the right thing when it is written for him but then goes off script and says what he really thinking and the reason i bring that up because the president gave an interview with fox news and he was asked if special counsel robert mueller should testify and here is what he said. he made such a fool out of himself the last time because what people don t report is the letter he had to do to straighten out his testimony. because his testimony was wrong. but nancy pelosi, i call her nervous nancy, nancy pelosi doesn t talk about it.
you will find a smaller more embarrassing story and play it up big. call it the split screen effect. it s been split screen kind of moment. was so interesting today is the juxtaposition. literally and figuratively delete the split screen. you have to say this is a classic trump-era split screen story. for what lemmings. overshadowing what s important to you with something important to the media. that means the slow awkward diplomatic process in hanoi that s meant to enhance the survival of our country must now compete with a gossip spectacle filled with old news. guess who wins, the spectacle. that s what the hearing was for. the media knows every time trump goes overseas he wins. so maybe they can distract you with this gratuitous drama and if there s good news from hanoi, it s just too obscure the hearings. he may try to distract. he may make a bad decision with kim jong un. induces him to overreach, to
i am confident we ll hear at some point how donald trump the businessman skirted the law. have you been informed of that by chance, that there will be tapes at this point or at some point moving forward, or is that just your expectation? it s my expectation, because the department of justice made available all the data and information they had on hillary clinton, and the e-mail fiasco that we went through for so many months, i think they ever set a precedent, so they re going to have to reveal to us, certainly in the intelligence committee, all of the data they have and documents they have relative to their investigation, which would include more tapes from michael cohen. and we will see. i know that s your expectation. i just want to make it clear that that s certainly your point of view and that could be a battle that we see opening up. that s right. so you re going to have, during this testimony from michael cohen, kind of a split