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Do you agree with any of that, hillary? >> i think that every campaign goes through its sort of -- every losing campaign, its back fighting about staff and dysfunction and organization and all those things about process. but i think what was most interesting to me about this book was the conversations, for instance, that they had after hillary lost the michigan primary to bernie sanders and there was a conversation with hillary, bill and the staff about what happened. and the staff was very focu...

Understandable, but i have to say, when you hear a quote like that from orrin hatch, would we have heard him say something like that before the primary in utah? >> doubtful. very doubtful. listen, orrin hatch is 78 years old. hes worried about his legacy and he also wants to do -- >> so he got elected, he got out of the ditch, essentially, and now its legacy watch? >> i think it is. and i think its also about doing whats right for the country. and i think hes a little tired of no compromise, as ...