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Is, you know, we sought the help, we took the money, we took the favors, we didnt -- i didnt deliver something official in return. that is the defense he is left with. >> what do you say -- you know, what was interesting here, also, jonath jonathan, when you read it, he either -- he was either embarrassed and didnt tell his staff what he was doing -- it does seem as if mcdonnell kept this from his staff largely, the staff clearly raised questions about the relationship -- >> if you read the indi...