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Specialist but he has built a very strong office. the white house counsels office has some very good lawyers. people who left much higher paying jobs to go into government and they didnt do it to get themselves in trouble in that white house. so there are people in there who know what to do in these situations so hopefully he draws on the best of them to get his advice. >> so then what does that say about -- you said they didnt go there to, what did you say, to do anything -- >> get in trouble. ...

President through the staffing system. i dont know whats happening. this white house we still know little about. i just know from the announcements that have been made that they put together a very strong office for the white house counsels office. >> could it be that they know something that, you know, maybe that they dont -- >> well, thats, of course, the question. the way hes handling it. the way he handles everything is to deny, to say its all fake news, anything thats bad news is not to be ...

People that left higher paying jobs for government. theres people in there who know what to do in these situations. so, hopefully, he draws on the best of them to get his advice. >> what does it say that they didnt go there to -- >> to get in trouble. no. >> what does that say about them? >> well, it may be that the way the white house -- the white house counsel has always been something of a middle-level staff person. only rarely have white house counsel had direct access to the president. they...