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Conversation about this and now it turns out on the intercepts there are talk of sanctions. >> people corroborating that and -- and flynn, of course, now saying he cant quite remember these conversations. mike pens couldnt have been clearer in -- in his statement. priebus couldnt have been clearer in that statement eat, so you have a situation now where either michael flynn told a fib, an untruth, or he cant remember conversations that happened just recent. >> i this trial goes to a jury of one ...