hackers were targeting the dnc and other democratic operations. by the way, as candidate trump was publicly calling on the russians to publicly hack hillary clinton's e-mails. we don't know the contact or motive before the conversations, but the word they happened is a big real development. we should note the kremlin and donald trump this morning are calling it fake news. cnn's jim sciutto has been working sources all day, all night on this story. jim, bring us up to speed on where we are right now at 9:01 eastern time. >> i should knnote calling it fe news without the president or the white house responding to the substance of the reporting which we've asked them to do. let's get to what the reporting is. one, two things caused alarm, raised red flags in u.s. law enforcement and intelligence. first, the volume and frequency of the communications between trump advisers and the russians. communications happen during campaigns, typically at a much lower level and much less frequent than what they saw
>> not for me to judge. i it depends on where the investigation goes and what his party and the democrats hold him accountable for. i think on the collusion, no evidence of collusion. the context is important and this is what officials keep reminding us. these contacts were not happening in a vacuum. it's not like they were contacting a u.s. ally repeatedly or china, another country. these were repeated contacts at the most senior level in the midst of an unprecedented cyber attack on the u.s. election system, political organizations, parties, individuals, et cetera. that context adds to the alarm and concern why. why have those contacts in the midst of what was going on. that's something that's a legitimate question. it hasn't been answered yet, and it's the kind of thing that the white house and others have to give a substantive answer to, and they haven't done that yet. >> i hope people are listening to you, jim.
you're talking about the frequency of it and the high level of the conversations. that is true li remarkable. if i can take another step back and talk about, again, why this all matters when we're 27 days, 28 days into the administration. general tony thomas who runs special operations command, he was speaking, and he said something that i think raised a lot of eyebrows about the overall situation 28 days into this administration. he says our government continues to be in unbelievable turmoil. i hope they sort it out soon because we're a nation at war. as a commander i'm concerned our government be as stable as possible. >> kimberly dozier, you're incredibly well sourced in the community. i'm not sure i've heard a general speak like this before, talking about the stability of our government. >> in fairness to general thomas, we did catch him off guard at a conference where he was speaking yesterday and asked him what do you think of the turmoil. he answered honestly. that said, he also said from his
perspective, special operations raids, missions, et cetera, were going forward without delay, without hiccup. but he expressed disappointment with what happened with mike flynn. and others in that community are saying they can handle this for a while, the wheels will keep turning. but if there's a major sustained crisis, the wheels could start coming off in terms of the decision process which is why they say they need somebody in charge at the national security council as soon as possible, to keep this on the level. we have a russian spy ship now off the u.s. coast. there are going to be questions about, okay, what is the u.s. strategy and policy for that, and who is guiding the ship? >> philip, to you, senator john mccain echoed a little of hat the general said. to sum prize what he said, when you see you don't know who is in charge, he calls it a dysfunction of the trump administration, significant
dysfunction in the country's national security apparatus. obviously important note to that, john mccain doesn't exactly love the president, but this is significant. >> that's exactly right. we have to consider this russia situation is not happening in a vacuum here. you have a lot of other factors that are coming into play to create this feeling of upheaval in the administration. just over the weekend, president trump was dealing with the north korea situation in an open air dining room at his golf club in front of an audience of all sorts of people who could hear what he was saying. he's had very testy conversations with world leaders including our allies like australia. you have a lot of foreign leaders, ambassadors i've talked to over the last few weeks who are very concerned. they don't know who is in charge, they don't know who to talk to, they don't understand what direction this administration is going. so i think it's incumbent now four weeks in, on the trump white house officials, to really take control of this situation and project more an air of
competence and confidence. >> great reporting, jim, to you, pamela brown and evan perez. coming up, the trump administration facing many questions this morning. will congress ask them? >> lindsey graham raised the possibility of a select committee. will others follow suit? a key member of congress joins us next. this happens as the white house awaits the arrival of benjamin netanyahu, due to arrive shortly. the two have been effusive in praise for one another. you can bet or you can hope president trump will face questions about this new report on russia. i suppose we'll have to wait and see who he calls on. we'll discuss coming up.
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trump campaign and russian intelligence officials outside the norm, that's not only big league bad, that's a game-changer and i would change my view as to what congress should do. if there are contacts between trump officials and russian intelligence operatives during the campaign, we need a joint select committee in congress to get to the bottom of it and also look at trump's business ties to russia if it is true. i can tell you this, congress is not fake. there are real members of congress up here, republicans and democrats who love our country and are going to make sure that checks and balances that have been in place for 200 years work even when the president's in your own party. >> here to discuss with, republican congressman ron desantos, member of the house oversight and foreign affairs committee as well as the freedom caucus. he join us us from a loud capitol hill. thank you for being with us. i hope you heard senator lindsey graham raising the possibility of a joint select committee in
congress to investigate the russians connections between the trump campaign. what's your take on that? do you agree with the senator? >> i think what we theed to do is let's get the transcript from the communications and also get the 302, if the fbi did interview him so we can see what the truth is and what's simply innuendo. a select committee is used when there's overlapping jurisdictionment we did it in benghazi because you had four different committees investigating it. i think this matter falls squarely within the intelligence committee. it should be very easy to get this transcript and get some of the information from the fbi to see what did flynn does, did he do anything wrong and obviously how did he communicate that to the white house. >> what would you have to see then, congressman, in that transcript that would tell you, okay, a select committee is needed. as you noted, in the benghazi investigation, you called for a select committee, a special
council to investigate hillary clinton's e-mails. what do you want to see in the transcript to tell you what's needed. >> benghazi we had four dead bodies, we had susan rice go out on the sunday shows and concoct a false store richlt we weren't getting any information from the administration. it was in the middle of the campaign. you clearly had a terrorist attack there and the stonewalling. some of the stuff about the russian contacts, i read "the new york times" article, and they said there was no evidence that there was coordination. it undercut the splash she headline a little bit. >> congressman, with all due respect, you don't have answers from the administration today. they're not even responding to jim sciutto's reporting and calling it fake news and saying the leaks are the issue here. >> one more point, as recently as january 15th we had mike pence saying there were no conversations. yesterday we had sean spicer denying conversations. that doesn't appear to be the case. the story from the white house
doesn't appear to be based on reality. >> i think we would get, if you get the transcripts from flynn's conversations, you can see what they discussed. on one land, discussing the sanction, although i'm opposed to decreasing sanctions on russia, i want to increase sanctions. if they discussed it, that's not a criminal offense. they're an incoming administration and can say hey, here is where we're looking to go. if that's what they discussed and flynn wasn't honest with people in the white house, that obviously will be an issue. how then the white house handled it, i know supposedly the doj went and reported there could be an issue. i'm not sure how that checking out either. they may have done investigation. i think those are a lot of questions that the white house will answer. remember, when en we tried to investigate things with obama's white house, we wanted to investigate the iran deal and ben rhodes's role, we didn't get anybody because they're going to claim executive privilege. we have to focus on the agency action, what the fbi knows and
what the intel committee knows. >> on executive privilege, this happened before he was president, so it isn't at all clear -- >> no, but you're saying once flynn reported it and the vice president was told something else, they were already in office as an administration. there's a question in the press about, okay, why did they wait a couple days, what were they investigating? i don't know the answer to that. it would be hard for congress to be able to get there, whereas we can get the transcript from flynn's communications, potentially get the fbi and we should get, and chairman nunez in the house is working to get the information about who is leaking all this stuff. you really have a concerted effort to undermine the sitting president. that is not the appropriate role of the intelligence committees, to act as political actors and to do selective leaking. >> on that point, nunez is calling for an investigation into the leaking but not into the russia connections here. i wonder if you're in agreement with senator rand paul who came
out yesterday and said i don't think it's useful to do investigation after investigation, particularly of your own party. he went on to say you're not going to get anything done, like obamacare, et cetera. do you agree -- regardless of party, do you agree that's a good frame of mind helpful to the american people to say maybe it's not the best thing to investigate our own party. >> our job is to investigate facts. when there are legitimate issues like flynn's conversations, we should get the truth for the american people. that's our job. at the same time a lot of my democratic parties, nancy pelosi was reading fake tweets from mike flynn supposedly. they're very upset about the election, throwing everything against the wall seeing what will stick. yes, we have a responsibility to get the facts. let's get that transcript and see what actually transpired. >> if you don't get the transcript, congressman, what's your next step? >> i think you'll have chairman nunez investigating in the house, and i support his
efforts. and the senate intel committee is investigating broader than just the leaks and i think they're well positioned to do it. we've done things on the oversight committee in the past. any time we get into the classified communications, we basically hit a brick wall and it gets referred to the intel committee. >> congressman, we appreciate you joining us this morning. thank you very much. >> thanks for having me. >> still to come, democrats have a message for attorney general jeff sessions, step aside. why some lawmakers say he should recuse himself from an investigation into michael flynn next.
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democrats are calling for attorney general jeff sessions to step aside into any investigation into national security adviser michael flynn. >> the white house council cannot lead this investigation, and the new attorney general cannot be -- jeff sessions cannot be the person to lead that investigation. >> it's not an investigation that should take place by jeff sessions. jeff sessions, too tied to the campaign, too tied to the president. it needs to be an independent or a special prosecutor. >> with us now, democratic congressman benny tomlinson. nice to have you on. >> thank you for having me. >> do you believe attorney general sessions should recuse himself from this investigation and any investigation surrounding michael flynn? >> i don't think there's any question. attorney general sessions was intricately involved in the campaign, made serious political positions as he moved into the
campaign. and so for the american people, i think it's absolutely essential for the integrity of his office and for the american people to know exactly what's going on. so step aside, independent prosecutor. i'm one of those individuals asking for an independent commission to look into this situation. so democrats are interested, the american people are interested in finding out exactly what went on. >> congressman, you released a pretty scathing statement yesterday. you said president trump campaigned on hiring the best people, but the unnecessary chaos he's brought the american people in the first three weeks is bordering on sadistic and is clearly a threat to national security. what else do you have that it's harming national security? >> well, what i can't tell you is what i received in a classified setting. there's a lot going on.
so much of what they've done in the white house has put us at risk. so for the issuance of that statement is to say, look, we need to pause, look at this situation and fix it. the white house is in disarray, there's competition among staffers against each other, and it's not good for the safety of this country. >> back to you saying no question jeff sessions shouldn't lead any investigation having to do with flynn, he was a sitting senator, the first sitting senator to endorse donald trump as a candidate. he was involved in that role in the campaign as a senator. then he was nominated and confirmed as attorney general. what makes it so different than the close ties between former attorney general eric holder and president obama, for example, that you believe jeff sessions can't do his job? >> i think if there had ever been a question of impropriety on the part of someone in the obama administration, i think
attorney general holder would have stepped aside. with the question of president clinton meeting with the former attorney general, she stepped aside on the investigation of hillary clinton. i think what we have to do is look at it and give the public the clearest view, unbound, unabridged view so they can see exactly what's going on. for attorney general sessions to be involved in this clearly puts a cloud over whether or not an investigation can be conducted fairly. to push it aside makes a big difference. >> congressman, aside from the fact that it's reporting, again, extensive contacts between the trump campaign and russian officials, michael flynn's contact with the russian ambassador discussing sanctions. do you have any concerns about how this information is coming forward, the fact that there are
apparently leaks from the intelligence establishment? >> any time you have a president saying i know more about what's going on in the world than the intelligence community, it raises serious questions on those professionals who do it every day. >> are you saying he asked for this? >> well, you know, these individuals don't see party. they do a good job. i've served on the republican and democratic administrations, and we always look at the professionals just like that. we don't impugn their integrity, we don't impugn what they do. i think the president made a mistake by trying to dumb down the professionals in the intelligence community. and so what we have now is clearly that community saying, well -- i don't know if the
intelligence community is providing this information. all i know is thank god for the press because otherwise members of congress are not getting it. >> to the crux of john's question, it sounds like you're saying he deserves it a bit. that aside, do you believe it's appropriate for any member of the intelligence committee, no matter how mad they may be at the president for things he said, to leak this information that is intercepts with adversaries. >> i don't want you to -- i'm not trying to say that. what i'm saying is the president, by saying this, creates conflict within his own departments. whether or not they leaked it, i have no information. all i have is, for whatever reason, members of the press get the information before members of congress. we or interested as members of congress to find out exactly what went on. i know there are transcripts of
some of the phone calls. as a mem were of congress, i'd like to see those transcripts in a classified setting to know exactly what was said. you know, we still have the logan act which says private citizens can't conduct foreign policy. so there are some conflicts going on that i think this independent commission can clearly resolve. >> we should note, your republican colleague, ron desantis was on a few moments ago and said he'd like to see the transcripts as well, wants to make them public. you should get together on that. congressman bennie thomson, thank you for being with us. >> thank you. a very big moment at the white house, donald trump meets with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. a lot of questions about that. will he confront the russian controversy head on? .
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we have not heard directly from president trump about the new reports of campaign contacts with russian officials, nor have we heard from him since michael flynn was pushed out of his job at the nsa. as chairman, national security adviser. we'll hear from president trump shortly when he holds a joint press conference with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. >> we'll carry it for you live. these are leaders who like each other a lot. they have traded compliments many times. today they'll pat each other on the back in person. elise labott is live in washington with more. what a shift this will be in the relationship between bibi netanyahu and president trump. there are questions about two-state solution, not to mention iran, that the two men have to talk about. >> reporter: that's right, poppy. i think everyone is describing this meeting today, going to be a love-fest between prime
minister netanyahu and president trump, really trying to rekindle their relationship after eight years of acrimony with president obama. i think initially they're still in the honeymoon phase. president trump has been clear about his unequivocal support for israel, but i think as the two leaders start to get together and go down the road and talk about whether there should be a two-state solution, what prime minister netanyahu could do to deliver on some of these things, i think, you know, you're always going to find that relationship does tend to get a little tense. the issues on the table today, iran is really front and center. that's one of the main issues that prime minister netanyahu wants to come speak about, not just the nuclear deal, but also trying to curb iran's other behavior in the region, particularly in syria. he also wants president trump's help in terms of normalizing relations with the arab states.
that's something israel thinks is very important. syria will also be on the table. i think what prime minister netanyahu is going to find, unless he's willing to give a little on the palestinian question, those other things like normalizing relations are going to be very hard. president trump said a lot of things on the campaign trail. i think now the realities of governing are going to start to hit him, and the more he hears from arab leaders and jared kushner who he's designated to be his peace envoy, if you will, is hearing from these arab leaders, look, we want to work with israel if you're willing to bend on the palestinian question. >> elise labott in washington, thank you so much. obviously this meeting comes at a key time for both leaders, benjamin netanyahu and president trump. downing us, daniel kurt ser, former ambassador to israel under george w. bush. ambassador, thank you for being with us. the white house held a background briefing yesterday
and let it be known that president trump will no longer insist on the two-state solution as the ultimate goal for middle east policy. how big of a statement is that, and is it the right decision? >> well, john, on one level it's not that meaningful because in practical terms the objective is peace, and that's what the white house statement said. but if the white house believes that there really is an alternative to a two-state outcome, then it hasn't done its homework. previous administrations have tried very hard to pursue all kinds of options and have thought through many different possibilities. you always come back to the two-state reality, because that's the one that the two peoples want. we see it in polling, we see it in the attitudes of governments. so i think the white house will come around at some point. they may be sending this signal
more for netanyahu's political purposes back home, so as not to give him trouble with the right wing of his coalition. >> if the white house does come around and focus on the two-state solution as you note, there are still many, many questions, especially questions palestinians raised about what netanyahu means when he says a two-state solution. does he mean an independent and equally sovereign state in places like gaza, east jerusalem. that's an important nuance if you're going to get the white house on the same page as a netanyahu administration. >> there's no indication either from the campaign or since that the administration as assimilated the reality that there are two parties who have to negotiate peace. there seems to be a predisposition to support the israeli position. there's a lot of interaction between israeli officials and the administration, very little interaction so far between the
administration and the palestinians. the report today that the cia director is meeting with mahmoud abbas, the palestinian president. but there needs to be an intensive discussion on both sides of this conflict to understand both their narratives and their requirements. >> the white house has backed off a little bit on some of the more stint jent stands that president trump made during the election season. he's no longer talking about moving the embassy. he may still want to do it, but not saying it every time he talks about israeli, moving it to jerusalem. he's been critical of settlement construction. why do you think he's backed off? >> i think he's come to realize there's a difference between campaigning and governing. you walk through the doors of the oval office and you start to see different sides of the question that you were able to portray rather simplistically on the campaign trail. it makes for a good sound bite during the campaign to say let's
move the embassy to jerusalem. every candidate for president in the last 30 years has said that, and every one who has been elected has come to the conclusion that that would not be wise if we want to see progress in the peace process. i think slowly but surely there is this educational process taking place, and maybe over time the administration will adopt a position that is more solidly based on the fact that they've got to deal with two sides to this conflict. >> we're fascinated to get your take on the fact that it doesn't look like it will be secretary of state rex tillerson trying to negotiate a meefd peace deal, it will be 35-year-old son-in-law of the president jared kushner. there was a big "new york times" piece over the weekend. he has certainly background in this. the question is does he have the depth of knowledge. what do you make of the move that the president has tapped him to try to get the greatest deal done, if it's possible to get it done, he thinks he's the one to do it?
>> the good news based on previous experience is that kushner would obviously have the full backing of the president, and we've seen experiences in the peace process where even secretaries of state sometimes go out without the president being fully committed. so that's a good part of this. kushner would have to do a lot of homework. but when he walks into the radio, i think israelis and palestinians would understand he's got the president behind him. on the other hand, it would be equally wise for mr. kushner to make sure secretary tillerson is very much a part of this process. an envoy travels once in a while. state department representatives are there 24/7 and can be helpful to a great degree to a special envoy's work. >> all right, former ambassador daniel kurtzer, thank you very much. >> they weren't dismissive of the idea that jared kushner --
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i talked to one of those, patty murray of washington, who looked at it and says she has concerns after viewing that tape. you saw the "oprah" video, what did you thinks th of that? >> i think it's very troubling. i'm not going to comment on this case. there's lot on this nominee's background, comments he's made, that are very troubling and should be to all of us, about someone whose job is going to be to protect workers in the workplace, whether it's the ads that he has put out there, comments he has made in the past, issues of sexual harassment, comments he's made about women. >> reporter: will you ask him about the "oprah" tape in the hearing? >> i haven't decided. >> reporter: expect the defense to be, if he's asked about that "oprah" tape, he will point to his ex-wife, who said she
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time you're not aware of him actually taking any calls? >> no. he's not taken any calls at this time since june 1st. >> secretary shulkin, thank you for being with me tonight. >> thank you. >> obviously not taking the place of twitter yet. don't forget, you can watch "outfront" any time anywhere on cnn go. anderson is next. >> thanks for joining us tonight. the last man in the room before the president spoke alone with fbi director james comey testified under oath, attorney general jeff sessions is seen and heard a lot as one of donald trump's closest complain advisers and is accused of being untruthful and went before the senate intelligence committee in part he said to set the record straight about a number of things, including in his words, secret innuendo being leaked about himself, the president and his whole affair. he had plenty to say about that. he had less to say to the considerable irritation of some
committee members. we'll talk about this over the next two hours and hear from a senator who was involved in a contentious exchange. but first some of the key moments from today's testimony. >> i did not have any private meetings, nor do i recall any conversations with any russian officials at the mayflower hotel. >> has the president invoked executive privilege in the case of your testimony here today? >> he has not. >> then what is the basis of your refusal to answer these questions? >> senator kaiing, the presiden has a constitutional -- >> but the president hasn't asserted it. you said you don't have the power to exert the power of executive privilege, so what is the legal basis for your refusal to answer these questions? >> i'm protecting the right of the president to assert it if he chooses. >> to the best of your knowledge, sir, did any of these following individuals meet with russian officials at any point during the campaign, and you can say yes or no on this. paul manafort? >> i don't have any information
that he had done so. he served as campaign chairman for a few months. >> steve bannon? >> i have no information that he did. >> general michael flynn? >> i don't recall it. >> reince priebus? >> i don't recall. >> steve miller? >> i don't recall him ever having such a conversation. >> corey lewandowski? >> i do not recall any of those individuals having any meeting with russian officials. >> carter page? >> i don't know. >> have you ever, in any of these fantastical situations, heard of a plot line so ridiculous that a sitting united states senator and an ambassador of a foreign government colluded at an open setting with hundreds of other people to pull off the greatest caper in the history? >> thank you for saying that, senator cotton. it's just like through the looking glass. i mean, what is this?
were problematic and he couldn't talk about them. what are they? >> why don't you tell me. there are none, senator wyden. there are none, i can tell you that for absolute certainty. you tell -- this is a secret innuendo being leaked out there about me, and i don't appreciate it. >> that was senator ron wyden of oregon. i spoke with him shortly before we went on air. >> senator, you accused attorney general sessions of stonewalling. do you have any evidence that shows that he wasn't, in fact, following proper procedure? he claims he was following long-held policies at the department of justice. >> he refused, anderson, to address the most basic issues today, why didn't he recuse himself sooner, what did the president say to him about firing director comey. look, the bottom line is that we have had one of these trump
into it in public. so i asked jeff sessions what was meant by that, and jeff sessions just got all riled up and started hollering about innuendos, but he didn't answer the question. the question was, why would the former fbi director find this so problematic he couldn't talk about it in public. here's my bottom line, anderson. what we learned today is the country's top legal official doesn't have much of a grasp of the law, and he certainly doesn't understand what recusal is all about. >> do you think you'll actually be able to find out whose account was accurate? was director comey accurate when he said he knew the attorney general was going to have to recuse himself based on some things which he didn't go into? >> when you have a situation like that, you know, he said/he
said, examine the relevant facts. director comey responded to questions for several hours and didn't pass on any of them. what jeff sessions did was, in effect, pass on all of them. so when you have two officials and one of them is straight forward and lays out a lot of details and the other one just seems to duck and weave and try to figure out how to escape accountability, i think the american people are going to say, we're going with the people who offered the facts. >> today also the attorney general fortunately declared that any accusation that he had anything to do with collusion between the trump campaign and russia is a, quote, appalling and detestable lie. do you believe him? do you believe he had no hand in any possible collusion? >> well, what i can tell you is when you have someone who violates the terms of his
recusal, you certainly have grounds to question other matters. so the point you are asking about i intend to follow up on. >> the attorney general also said that he would not participate in any effort to remove robert mueller. does hearing that give you confidence that the integrity of the independent investigation is going to be upheld? >> under normal circumstances you would say yes, but certainly when you look at the trump inner circle, they have a long track record here based on the first few months of this administration to take steps that honor the one principle above everything else, which is protect the president. >> finally, the attorney general was asked about his meeting with kislyak in his office, and he seemed unable to go into much detail of what he actually did discuss. he said it wasn't anything to do with the campaign, that it had to do with his role as a senator at the time, and yet, some of
the major issues, as john mccain pointed out, it didn't seem like he went into them or just didn't remember. normally in a meeting like that, would there be staff sitting in taking notes? would there be any kind of account at the time of what was actually discussed? >> what i indicated at the hearing is some of these answers, anderson, just don't pass the smell test. if you're talking about meetings with a prominent russian official and he says he doesn't really remember much, he doesn't know if there are any records, this kind of thing, it just cries out for those of us who are charged with oversight to insist that we get more facts and we're going to stay at it. >> senator wyden, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thanks for having me. i want to bring in the panel. ryan, matt, gloria, jeffrey, matthew and glen. you said that the attorney general's testimony was the white house basically having its
cake and eating it too. >> i thought so. >> what does that mean? >> he said -- he didn't answer any questions about what donald trump said or did. but he did not cite executive privilege. he just said confidentiality which is basically a made-up legal kept that has no basis in law. >> he said long-standing justice department policy. >> that he couldn't identify in writing and is not known to me and apparently not known to many people in that hearing. so the white house got the secrecy they wanted. they got the nondisclosure of conversations involving the president, but they didn't have to take the political heat of citing executive privilege. >> gloria, executive privilege came up a lot. i want to show some of the moments where the term was thrown around. >> has the president invoked executive privilege in the case of your testimony here today? >> he has not. >> then what is the basis of
your refusal to answer these questions? >> i am protecting the right of the president to exert it -- assert it if he chooses. >> senator feinstein, that would call for a communication between the attorney general and the president and i'm not able to comment on that. >> can you tell me, what are these long-standing d.o.j. rules that protect conversations made in the executive without invoking executive privilege? >> senator, i'm protecting the president's constitutional right. mr. chairman, i'm not able to comment on conversations with high officials within the white house. >> stonewalling of any kind of unacceptable, and general sessions has acknowledged that there is no legal basis for this stonewalling. >> i am not stonewalled. i am following the historic policies of the department of justice. >> it's the same thing, gloria, that we heard from dni coats,
admiral rogers. rogers went in later to classify testimony, but no indication that sessions is going to do that. >> right. in fact, sessions was asked about that today and he didn't indicate that he was willing to do that. our laura jarrett asked the justice department what is the precedent that jeffrey is questioning, and they pointed to two memos from 1982. one from president reagan and the other from ted olson who was then the a.g. for the office of legal counsel, and so they set this precedent up. but it was not something that sessions could cite in the hearing. and i think that you have this pattern here of sessions, according to our reporting, jim acosta's reporting, did not go to the white house and ask whether he should assert executive privilege. the other two gentlemen said they tried to contact the white house and never got a response, if you'll recall from their testimony. so what the white house is getting is people who are just saying i'm not going to testify
about these conversations because it makes it look like they could be damaging to the president. >> matt, if it's not executive privilege, what is it? >> well, i think what all the lawyers in the room believe it is, it feels a lot like attorney/client privilege but the president isn't the attorney general's client. so they're thinking we're having confidential communications when their tingly sense tells them they shouldn't talk about it. >> dni coats and admiral rogers. >> riekght. you see they've come up with a strategy to not answer these questions. >> congress has a constitutional right to participate and to investigate, and a tingly sense, with all due respect, is not a legal concept. but the thing is, they don't -- in the absence of contempt or some sort of coercion -- >> there's nothing they can do. >> right. >> would it have made the
attorney general's argument stronger if he had brought with him and read aloud the d.o.j. policy he was referring to? >> of course. look at his opening statement. he was specific in the opening statement, but you expect more specificity in the opening statement than in the back and forth with senators. so there is some give and take on that, but unless the d.o.j. comes up with that kind of specificity for the tradition he cited, other than the memos that gloria mentioned, then it looks like a weak part of today's testimony. i will say though, it was all cabined around the same thing, and that was conversations with the president where you would expect them to potentially exercise executive privilege, and the tingly sense, as it's now being described, is leading somebody like general sessions who obviously is a lawyer to have that instinct. i would note that a lot of the -- you look at ron wyden
today, and boy, he just looked like he was huffing and puffing and couldn't stand it and this was outrageous and of course this was all missing for 8 years for people like ron wyden. so there is a lot of partisanship. if this hearing like the comey hearing were structured to be purely substantive, each side would have their counsel asking the questions and it wouldn't be going from senator to senator so they can have their time shouting into the camera, and we saw some of that again today like we did with comey. this is not the ideal structure for an oversight committee to get the most information out of a hearing. general sessions did well in his opening statement, and then there was a lot to fight about after that. >> matt lewis, was today a good day for the trump administration? again, no real details came out about those conversations that obviously a lot of the democrats wanted to hear. >> yeah, i think it probably was. if you're looking at it from a political standpoint, it's probably a good day for trump,
for the trump administration. by the way, i thought that senator heinrich had the best questions today and he made the point that said either you take executive privilege or if it's classified information you don't have to talk about it. otherwise, if you pledge to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, then you have no excuse for not answering these questions. having said that, i think that most -- in terms of the news value and the possibility that down the road -- if sessions, if attorney general sessions had answered questions with more specificity, more specifically today and he had gotten something wrong, even if he had misremembered, down the road it might have come down to haunt him. he answered very few questions, so i think politically it doesn't hurt him and it also shields him down the road. >> also, a lot of his answers were, well, i don't remember or,
not to my knowledge, which are classic answers when -- >> it sounded like he got cornered in a hallway by some cameras. he knew he was coming, the president knew he was coming. what he kept saying was that he was trying to preserve trump's future executive privilege as if they couldn't have had a conversation about it before he came to actually testify. so it seemed like a game. it seemed like something, and he can only play this card one time but he did play it and i think that it actually harmed his credibility because it didn't really make sense to people. you're listening to this and think -- >> forgive me for interrupting, they can play it as many times as they like, as long as they have republican control of these committees. the only thing that's going to stop them from essentially stonewalling is coercion, force. you're not going to get that from republicans. >> another thing hanging over the hearing today was whether then senator sessions intentionally misled the
judiciary committee during his confirmation hearings. i want to play a portion in question from back in january and what was said today. >> if it's true, it's obviously extremely serious, and if there is any evidence that anyone affiliated with the trump campaign communicated with the russian government in the course of this campaign, what will you do? >> senator franken, i'm not aware of any of those activities. i have been called a surrogate a time or two in that campaign and i did not have communications with the russians. i'm unable to comment on it. >> he was asked about that today by vice chairman warner. let's play what he said. >> this is what happened. senator franken asked me a rambling question after some six hours of testimony that included dramatic new allegations that the united states intelligence
community, the u.s. intelligence community, had advised president-elect trump, quote, that there was a continuing exchange of information during the campaign between trump's surrogates and intermediaries for the russian government, close quote. i was taken aback by that explosive allegation, which he said was being reported as breaking news that very day and which i had not heard. i wanted to refute that immediately. any suggestion that i was part of such an activity. i replied quote, i replied to senator franken this way, quote, senator franken, i'm not aware of any of those activities. i have been called a surrogate a time or two in that campaign, and i didn't have communications with the russians and i'm unable to comment on it, close quote. that was the context in which i was asked the question, and in
that context, my answer was a fair and correct response to the charge as i understood it. >> ryan, senator franken's put out a statement saying he doesn't buy the attorney general's explanation. >> just look at the language of the question. franken asked him about intermediaries for the russian government which is exactly what the russian ambassador is, and surrogates for the trump campaign which is exactly what jeff sessions is. even by his own explanation of the context of that question, i don't quite understand what attorney general sessions is getting at. the question was about exactly the kind of contacts that we now know he had. now, he may think they were just innocent contacts, his contacts with the russian ambassador were about issues that were totally innocent, but the question was indeed about surrogates and intermediaries. >> he has said that he wasn't meeting with the russian ambassador as a surrogate in the time. >> john mccain kind of got into that -- >> take off your surrogate hat.
>> john mccain said i don't remember you really being that interested in foreign policy. >> and quizzed him on what specific foreign policies issued were discussed and he didn't know many. >> there was a story today in yahoo! that based on the department accounting sessions had zero meetings with foreign ambassadors up until the point he was appointed to the campaign in march and then in april he had almost 30. i understand that he could theoretically do that as a senator or as a surrogate but he said he was doing it as a senator and he previously did not do that. >> what's clear is what kislyak was doing is trying to find out about the trump campaign and its views on russia. >> we'll have the latest from the white house next and later the man who would have to make the call to fire special counsel robert mueller. rod rosenstein was asked about it and we'll see what he said
when 360 continues.
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on the subject earlier today. quote, fake news is at an all-time high. where is their apology to me for all the incorrect stories. we're joined from the white house for the latest. the president was traveling in wisconsin during attorney general sessions' testimony. do you know if he watched it? >> he was talking about workforce development, about health care, but a source does say the president spent most of his flight to wisconsin which is 90 minutes watching attorney general jeff sessions getting peppered with questions about russia and about his conversations with the president. as much as trump may want to escape the fray here in washington, even he is style dialed in on the russia investigation. >> has the white house or anyone in the administration had any comment about the hearing today? >> no official response. there's been no official white house statement. i sfoek with a spokesperson for the president's personal lawyer earlier today who said his personal lawyer would not be putting out a statement today. it's possible we could still hear from the white house on this. they are still on their way back from wisconsin now.
sarah huckabee sanders is with reporters. we have asked for more of a readout but so far the white house has been mum on this. >> back for a second to the attorney general's alleged meeting back in april of last year at the mayflower in washington. the key moment, if it ever occurred, some sort of exchange at a v.i.p. gathering before then sunday trump's speech. we did find this, video from a few minutes after the v.i.p. reception. in it you see the ambassador making his way to a seat down there in the front. less than a minute later you see senator sessions walk in across the front row, walk past the ambassador, saying nothing, eventually just sitting behind him. so that's the video. back with the panel. jeffrey lord, i know you appreciate the tradition of people saying they don't recall certain things. it does seem like the russian ambassador though was very forgettable to a lot of people who met with him. >> he was apparently forgettable to nancy pelosi too who said she
never met him and then a picture shows up of the two of them at a table with other folks. seeing that video there, right before i came on the air i talked to someone who was there in the room who, along with frank buckley, had helped write that speech. so they were there sitting right behind jeff sessions. mr. buckley has a piece on another network in which he says, if i saw this, i'd say so. i saw no indication he had any conversation with the russian ambassador and he left alone. i talked with mr. terrell who says the same thing. so in other words, i mean, this is such a -- mr. buckley points out that bob woodward was there, there were reporters. this was a very public place, so to have some sort of private conversation in a conspiracy that would hardly be the place to do it. it makes no sense on the face of it. >> brian, after the -- sessions testified today, he clearly does not seem eager to go into a
classified briefing to answer more questions about this. is there anything more the senators can do? >> if i were the democrats on this committee, mark warner who is the ranking democrat on the intelligence committee, i'd have two things i'd be following up on. i'd go to my republican counterpart, senator burr, and saying we need to change the process in which we're bringing witnesses to capitol hill. up until now they have been voluntary appearances to come up to the hill and testify. i think they need to think about issuing subpoenas. if you have a subpoena issued you have a possibility of contempt of congress situation hanging over the heads of these witnesses. >> you're saying if executive privilege isn't invoked and yet they're not answering. >> correct. if the underlying material is classified, there's no reason for them to be refusing questions. members of both parties should be taking this issue seriously. if you issue subpoenas, you can
dangle the threat of contempt of congress charge. it's a criminal matter. if that's dangling over their head they'll think twice about refusing to answer questions. the second thing i would be doing is getting ready a legislative proposal to revisit an independent counsel law. that was in the clinton administration in the late 90s. both sides agree that that ken starr investigation ran amok and that statute elapsed in the late 90s. now you have a situation where the president can basically fire, albeit through the acting attorney general, in this case rod rosenstein, bob mueller. you have surrogates for donald trump going around floating that possibility. if that happens and mueller is gotten rid of by donald trump, we're left without any independent conducting of that investigation, we need to at least have the back-up option of an independent counsel. >> jason, what about the idea of subpoenas?
if people are willing to come voluntarily, is that fair? >> that's what attorney general sessions did today, he came voluntarily in front of the committee. you've seen a number of people step forward and say we would like to come and testify to knock down the silliness of this entire -- >> right but they're testifying but not quite -- they're saying -- >> the national review in a very well written piece tonight writes, preserving privilege is not obstructing justice. i think it's clearly what attorney general sessions was doing here. anderson, take a step back for a second. coming into today really there were two things, two potential outcomes. number one, they would kill general sessions there in that hearing, knock him down politically and he wouldn't make it out, or he would still be standing at the end. i think across the board he is still standing. in fact, he came out with a surprising amount of vinegar and fire in his belly with his answers. he knocked away the hysteria from ka mall la harris and others who wanted to make this a
partisan show. the single biggest takeaway, this is the end of the so-called russia hysteria that we're seeing because we're this far into it and there's still not one shred of evidence that there's been any coordinating between the campaign and a foreign entity. the biggest piece of news is the fact that we're finding out that there are investigations into multiple leaks which is a very big deal. so reality winner might -- >> get him out of the wood shed with the president? the president wasn't happy with sessions before today. today sessions didn't speculate at all about whether the president was appropriate in his conversations. he didn't discuss their conversations, so you think he's now back in the good graces of donald trump? >> i think the attorney general today was strong, decisive and gave a very clear opinion -- >> of not answering. >> i'm not going to speak for the president. i know not to speak for him unless i have permission to. but i would say watching this, as any trump supporter, i would say the attorney general did a very good job. >> senator manchin asked
attorney general sessions about russian interference, similar to what he was asked last week. i want to play both of those clips. >> you were part of the national security team so if he would have heard something about russia and with their capabilities and our concern about what they could do to our election process, was there any conversations concerning that whatsoever? >> i don't recall it, senator manchin. >> i don't remember any conversations with the president about the russia election interference. >> did he ever ask you any questions concerning this? >> there was an initial briefing of our findings and i think there was conversation there, i don't remember it exactly, where he asked questions about what we found and what our sources were and what our confidence level. after that i don't remember anything. >> now we have two people from -- who were in the administration -- well, former fbi director and the attorney general both saying they've not heard the president expressing concern or much concern about russian interference in the election which the entire u.s. intelligence community is on
agreement on. does that concern you? >> well, it does concern me because what our intelligence community has said uniformly and anonymously is that we had russian interference in this election and it's not going to stop. they're going to do it again. i do think that the ball -- that the needle didn't move one direction or another today or democrats or republicans, but i will say that whether or not you're talking about russia interference and attorney general sessions literally said if it occurred. we all agree it did occur, but he said if it occurred. whether or not we're talking about russian interference, talking about the ukraine, he was reminiscent about roberto gonzalez, former attorney general in 2007 with his i don't recalls. but more importantly, he looked relatively incompetent and had a huge dosage of willful ignorance. he was literally sticking his head in the staand. this is our top legal mind in the united states of america, and today he looked befuddled and incompetent.
>> there's still the outstanding question of whether or not the president taped james comey in the oval office, which senator rubio asked the attorney general about that so let's play that. >> duo you know if the presiden records conversations in the oval office or anywhere in the white house? >> i do not. >> let me ask you this. if in fact any president was to record conversations in their official duties in the white house or the like, would there be an obligation to preserve those records? >> i don't know, senator rubio. probably so. >> it's just such an easy question to have answered. i don't know, i mean clearly nobody wants to ask the president or they have asked and haven't gotten an answer. >> i just think that's a question they probably don't want the answer to, especially the attorney general. can i go back to something that jason said. how was senator harris hysterical? i don't understand that. she was asking some tough questions. >> completely partisan's creed. >> how was that his cystericahy?
>> from my perspective, i would say objective perspective, it didn't seem like there was any effort to try to get to a real question or get to the bottom -- >> i think she asked a lot of questions actually. she was dogged but i wouldn't say she was any more dogged than ron wyden was, would you say that? >> i have my opinion. i think she was hysterical. i don't think senator wyden was really trying to get to the bottom of answers either. >> but he wasn't hysterical and she was. i wanted to clear that up. >> i thought it was way out of bounds. this is the second hearing in a row. >> she didn't shout but even if she did, they both were asking a lot of tough questions and i think calling her hysterical is probably a little -- >> hysteria is a quality. what's that? it's just women who are usually called hysterical. >> you're being hysterical. >> yes, i'm hysterical now for example. she was asking a lot of questions and he wasn't
forthcoming and there was a lot of frustration on the part of the senators there and it wasn't all democrats. >> in your opinion she was making a legitimate effort to get answers to questions and to hear what the attorney general was saying? >> yeah. you might not like the questions she was asking. >> you didn't view it as her talking overtop of him? >> i think he was talking over her to answer her questions. i don't think it was any more than any other senator was doing. like i said, i think senator wyden's was by far the most aggressive questioning and there isn't anything wrong with that. >> one thing that attorney general sessions does very well is, looking if your shtick is to be super polished and confident, that's a burden. you sort of have to bring it every night and deliver. if your shtick is a character of a southerner and a good old boy, then you can just be like i don't recollect that, i don't
recall, and i think that benefits him. i think he comes across as pretty likable. it's thehysterical, it's like, i don't know, tell me. >> he was outraged today. >> he was fired up. >> you're not going to do this to me. i came here voluntarily because i want to clear my name and i recused myself from the russia investigation but not from clearing my name. >> it could also just be his -- i mean, you know, as someone whose father comes from -- people have southern accents and it's not shtick. it's actually how they talk [ talking over one another ] >> i will not be able to go to the cooper family reunion if he did not speak up. >> for him it's entertainment. >> exactly. >> one thing we've lost sight of, the most important thing, whether this was good for sessions or not, whether he performed well, the most important thing that has happened in the last week is that james comey laid out a case that a lot of former federal
prosecutors argue is obstruction of justice. the thing i was looking for today is how much damage did that case get today from sessions who was a witness to a number of the things in the comey testimony last week. and i would say no damage at all. in fact, he corroborated -- overwhelmingly corroborated the parts of comey's testimony that he was involved with, did not contradict in any significant way any piece of it, and that is the thing to watch. far more important than the senate investigation is mueller's -- is the fbi investigation for trump. >> we're going to talk more shortly about the story that brian mentioned a moment ago, a friend of the president saying he's considering firing special counsel robert mueller. pretty much everyone has something to say about that including the deputy attorney general. we'll get into that next.
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the right to, he has no intention to do so. deputy attorney general rod rosenstein would be the one to do it if it order came. he was in hearings on capitol hill today. brianna keilar joins us now from capitol hill with more. what did the deputy attorney general say about mueller in the special counsel today? >> anderson, rosenstein said that he would not fire mueller unless there was cause. he said there would have to be good cause, and he said it's not an action that he would take unless it was lawful and unless it was appropriate. this was something that a number of senators, including republican senator lindsey graham, pressed him on. >> do you know of any reason or cause to fire mr. mueller as of this date? >> no, i do not, sir. >> and that would be your decision if that ever happened, right? >> that's correct. >> and you're going to make it, nobody else? >> as long as i'm in this position, senator, it would be my responsibility to make that decision. >> and rosenstein also explained the process by which that would
happen. he said that if it were to happen, he would be the one to put it in writing. so this is something that he would have to sign his name onto, anderson, and he said that if there was not good cause, that it would not matter to him what anybody says, so he really seemed to be saying that the buck stopped with him and he wasn't going to bend to any influence on this. >> did he say anything about his memo about then director of the fbi, comey? >> he did. because that was the memo that excoriated comey that he sent on to jeff sessions and that white house officials used to justify the firing of jim comey, of course until president trump mentioned that russia was on his mind what he fired james comey. rosenstein did say he was very careful not to associate himself with anything that pertained to russia. he said that when he wrote that memo, he stands by what he wrote by those criticisms, but he said the memo is about what it is about, and he said that any questions about what clearly he
seemed to be referring to questions of obstruction of justice, anything pertaining to russia, that was going to fall under bob mueller's purview. it was very interesting, anderson, he would not say when he was told to write that memo and rosenstein would not say who told him to write the memo. >> thank you. >> a friend of president trump's was back yesterday with clarification. chris ruddy said the president was considering firing mueller. today on "new day", ruddy said he noeever spoke with the president about it but saying his attorney said over the weekend the option was there. >> i never said that the president told me. i never said i had a conversation. i never implied. as you know, i have been on cnn many times and i always speak for myself and not the president. he has his own spokesman, although i think they're in need of help from time to time. so the president's spokesman issued what i'd call a bids czar press release last night saying
that i had not spoken to the president about it, and i said, hey, i never said i spoke to the president. interestingly enough, they never denied my underlying report. >> back with the panel. joining the conversation, cnn legal analyst paul kellen. it is true that they never denied outright that the president was considering it or thinking about it. what they said last night, sarah huckabee sanders put out a statement saying chris ruddy speaks for himself and even today that quote we just read from air force one, the question was, is potus considering whether he'll fire mueller and she answered, he has no intention to do so. she didn't say, no, he wasn't considering it. >> i think you can file this under a trial balloon that sank quickly and i think rod rosenstein really underlined today how difficult it will be to fire mueller if the president wants to do it because it is quite clear that rosenstein is
the person who has to do it, and he said i won't do it if i don't find good cause. in other words, you're going to have to fire me and have someone else come into this job and do it, which is precisely what happened in 1973 in the saturday night massacre where elliott richardson resigned rather than fire arch bald cox. it raises the stakes if the president wants to get rid of mueller at this point it will be world war 3 and i think no one, even in the republican party, wants that. >> ken, it is interesting that the three people that we've heard from the white house or the three times we heard from the white house, they have never said, no, the president was never considering it. >> well, you know, so what? this is not a place they can go as a practical matter, and i don't think they want to try , o jeff's point. i think it's a good one to stay away from for them. mueller has a great reputation.
there's no one i can think of in law enforcement who has worked with him who doesn't hold a high opinion of him. he's an ideal person to flesh this all out, and as long as he doesn't run amok in the ken starr mold, then i think that america is going to be better for clearing this issue up and having whatever the outcome is put before the american people on a clear basis. roa rosenstein made it clear today, he's not firing this guy unless the regulatory standard of good cause is met. look, good cause for robert mueller is a very high bar, is a very high bar, and i would say that i understand their concerns when you see the kind of smearing going on of the attorney general in light of what he had to say today and the incomplete reporting. for instance, people who say, for instance, that in the franken exchange it was about contacts with russia and it was about this, but they never mentioned collusion, right,
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what have you could be a combination, will have greater credibility. the interview for the -- to take on the fbi director role again doesn't concern me. because of his reputation, he was a natural person to have on that list to maybe bring back. i frankly think that the fact that he was on trump's list to even interview adds to his credibility. >> thanks, everybody. appreciate it. attorney general jeff sessions in the hot seat. what he said about russia's meddling in the election. what he can't recall about his meetings with russians, what he refused to talk about. plus all the things he did say plus reaction from capitol hill when we continue. ...intelligent. ...explosive. but the true secret to his perfection... was a heart, twice the size of an average horse.
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and tonight, a u.s. senator, marco rubio, has called his death murder. back on american soil, inka pass tated after 17 months in a north korean prison. his father's first words to his son. >> what did i say to my son? i knelt down by his side and i hugged him and i told him i missed him and i was so glad he made it home. >> reporter: but the 22-year-old was in a state of unresponsiveness waitfulness, damaged throughout his brain, rendering him able to brink and at times move, but there was nothing left of the adventurous young than that had departed nearly two years earlier. >> otto, i love you and i'm so crazy about you, and i'm so glad you're home. you are such a great guy. >> reporter: the north korean government claimed that warmbier contracted botulism, took a sleeping pill and fell into what they call a coma. a north korean mri confirmed the
he was accused and tried for hostile acts after the north korean government claimed he took down a propaganda poster in the hotel where he was staying on the night before he was to depart the country. this video provided to cnn by the warmbier family shows otto in north korea with his tour group, no indication of any hostile acts toward north korea. just a young man experiencing the world. >> miguel, any reaction from the trump administration? and do we know at this point any retaliatory actions are being considered? >> reporter: the president spoke about it, called it brutality what the north koreans did, and hopes to keep this from happening to anyone else. interestingly, the secretary of state tillerson said he holds the north koreans accountable for the unjust imprisonment but stopped short of saying that they were responsible for his death. this administration it does not
appear wants to go to war over otto warmbier. >> thank you very much. there were no cameras today at the white house press briefing or microphones either. however, whether on camera or off, there was no answer to a very simple question. >> mr. president, are you under investigation by the special counsel? mr. president, are you under investigation by the special counsel? >> the president said nothing. but that's okay, because he didn't have. we already know the answer. "i am being investigated for firing the fbi director by the man who told me the fbi director. witch hunt." it seems clear, by "i am being investigated" it would appear that he means i am being investigated. unless perhaps he really meant something very different, like, i don't know, maybe the exact opposite. >> it was 141 characters. there's a limitation on twitter. and the president is a very ekttive utilization of social media. so the president issued that social media statement based on
a fake report, a report with no documented sources, from "the washington post." there should be no confusion, that the president is not under investigation. >> so that's one of the president's new lawyers, jay sekulow, making the rounds on the sunday news programs. that was the line. it was the president practicing media criticism, not actually saying he's under investigation, which he's not, unless of course he is. but who would dare contradict jay sekulow about this claim he says there should be no confusion. who i ask you? how about jay sekulow himself. >> now he's being investigated by the department of justice, so he's being investigated for taking the action that the attorney general, deputy attorney general recommended him to take by the agency, who recommended the termination. >> okay. so if you're keeping score, according to jay sekulow, the president both was not and was under investigation. that was just sunday. what about today?
to fire the fbi director. witch hunt. maybe instead of meaning he's under investigation or he's commenting on a "washington post" story, maybe it's none of those things. maybe it's something else entirely. >> that's the president with his social media platform telling everybody look at the irony here. >> i honestly do not know what that means. i do not know what that means. cnn's jim acosta joins us from the white house to clear up any irony there may be. jim, this seems to be another example of the president simply -- i don't know, not being on the same page with those that represent him is. that what it is? >> reporter: i'm not sure they're on the same planet, anderson, and i don't understand that east whatever you just played. not only have we heard the white house say, well, the president's tweets speak for themselves, we've already heard the president say he likes to use social media because it goes over the filter of the main
stream news media. so that would come with the suggestion that you should believe his tweets as they're written, as they're posted. so to have jay sekulow go on the sunday talk shows and the morning talk shows this morning and explain this away you have to come back to the simple truth, and that is when the president tweets something, the white house believes that is the gospel around here. i will tell you today that we tried to get answers to other questions, whether he has recordings of his conversations. we did not get an answer to that. the president said we would get an answer to that shortly. and also this question of whether or not he believes he can fire robert mueller, the special counsel. that question was asked time and time again today and we did not get an answer. >> the briefing today was off camera, there was no recording of audio actually allowed. what is the reasoning behind that? what justification is there? >> reporter: the reason today, and keep in mind the reason today may not be the reason
we're given tomorrow. but today they said the president was going to be speaking in front of the cameras when he was with the president of panama, and also later in the day when he made those comments about the death of otto warmbier. but as you played at the beginning of this broadcast, the president was asked are you under investigation? and he didn't answer the question. so we have a situation, anderson, where they're simply stonewalling us. and you have to say it the way it is. when you have a press briefing here at the white house, we have pen and pad opportunities from time to time, and we don't record those meetings. they're there basically for editorial purposes. but when you drag the report sboers the briefing room and insist they can't record via audio what is said in that briefing from the white house press secretary, you are taking us into a strange new world where accountability doesn't exist. and it removes the possibility that we could ask followup
questions to some important inquiries. that's something that happened today. we allowed it to happen, and something we shouldn't allow to happen again. if we continue to allow this stonewalling to go on, they're just going to do it time and again, where the new normal will be we just don't have press briefings on camera anymore. in the united states, they do it at city hall with the mayor and your statehouse with your governor or other elected officials, why can't the president? >> i've got to ask this, what are they afraid about being on camera? clearly we've seen time and time again, they say things which turn out to be not true or the president declares not to be true the next day. is that the concern, they can -- in the past they've said this president is so fast, i don't want -- i can't remember the exact quote, but he's so on the go, that his spokes people can't keep up with him to get factual information, which makes no sense. >> reporter: it doesn't make sense. there was one instance today
where sean spicer, the press secretary was asked, does the president believe in climate change? you said you would get back to us. that question was asked again today, and the white house press secretary, sean spicer, did not have an answer to the question whether or not the president believes in climate change. the president said a month ago that he was going to have a news conference in two weeks on isis. he said two weeks ago that he was going to have a news conference on isis. i think we're just getting to the point, anderson, where not only can we not believe the president when he makes a claim about when he's going to talk to us, but what the white house press office is saying in these briefing room it is they're not willing to deal with this on the up and up. i think that is the problem right now that we're dealing with, and i hate to say it, but these press briefings aren't going to serve much of a purpose if we don't go back to the old rules where we're allowed to videotape. i could have held up my phone today, anderson, and tried to
record the press secretary sean spicer speaking to us, and play for you what would have happened to me had i done that? would they have hauled us off? taken our press credentials? i don't know. that's just the upside down world we're living in right now where they refuse to answer these questions on camera or audio. >> and seemingly refuse to ask the president a question, does he believe in climate change, is he recording conversations in the oval office. there's a host of things they seem --- >> reporter: lots of yes and no questions. more breaking news involving michael flynn whose contact with the russians are already under investigation. jim acosta joins us now. what have you learned? >> reporter: jim sciutto this time. >> how many times have i done that to you? >> reporter: that's right. i'm not taking it personally. this is a letter from the ranking democrat on the house oversight committee and the
ranking democrat on the house foreign affairs committee, drawing attention to two foreign trips that michael flynn took in 2015. one in the summer, the other in october of 2015. they say the first he did not report at all on his security clearance form. and the second one he omitted key information as to why he went, who he traveled with, et cetera. this coming on the heels of previous nondisclosures by flynn of meetings. and they're looking at it now because russia involved again, the trip was to saudi arabia, but general flynn went to saudi arabia to help broker a deal between russia and saudi arabia for building a number of nuclear power plants there. i reached out to flynn's lawyer. he did say they received this letter, and i reached out to republicans on the committee to see why they didn't sign onto this letter. i'm told by democrats on the oversight committee that republicans declined the chance
to sign on. i'm told by a gop aide on the foreign affairs committee they did not hear of this letter until i came to them for comment on it. >> and not reporting foreign travel on a security clearance form, is that considered a crime? >> reporter: it is. it's right there, a u.s. code title 18, section 1001, knowingly falsifying or concealing such foreign travel is a felony, punishable up to five years. it's clear on these forms when you read them, it says right there at the top, report all your travel, and also crucially your meetings with foreign officials during these trips. this is something else that the ranking democrats on these committees are drawing attention to, that seven years before general flynn applied to regain his security clearance before entering the trump administration, he did not list a single meeting with a foreign official for seven years prior to then. so they are raising questions here, not just about a couple of
trips but multiple meetings with foreign officials that he did not report. >> maybe there's an innocent explanation, but there does seem to be a pattern, flynn, kushner, sessions, of nondisclosure on security clearance forms. >> reporter: we had this with jared kushner for his first form, did not list any of the meetings. he later, under questioning from members of the media and others, supplied that information on the security clearance form. and attorney general jeff sessions did not supply -- his initial explanation was that a retired fbi agent said that travel while he was a senator was not relevant. very hard questions about that, because no such exceptions are made in the u.s. law. he later supplied some of that information. but you have a pattern here. it could be an innocent omission. but the fact is, it becomes the subject of these continuing congressional investigations. and many of those questions,
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sean spicer's off camera press briefing came with buzz he might be moving further off camera. they're thinking of a new roll for him. a busy night for jim acosta who joins us once again. what kind of a different role is being thought up for sean spicer, do we know? >> reporter: i'm being hold tolt this role would oversee the communications department and the press shop. so he would oversee the white house press secretary and the communications director for the white house. that is one of the options being looked at. no matter how you slice it, he is being looked at in terms of moving out of this job as white house press secretary, a job that's earned him a lot of fame and infamy, into a different position in the west wing. the question is, what is that job going to be? the bigger question is, who would fill his shoes as the white house press secretary? some of the names being floated around, laura ingram, her name
has surfaced. but it's unclear whether or not she would want to leave that kind of job to take the position as white house press secretary. so my guess is, anderson, you're going to see a lot of names surface during the course of this process, because these are very, very big shoes to fill. and you have a very important person often watching these briefings, and that's the president. >> to that point, if sean spicer can't get basic questions answered by the president, based on reporters, are there tapes about climate change, is it real or not, why would he be in a more elevated overseeing role, which you would think he would have more interaction with the president. but if the president doesn't have confidence in him, why would he want him in an overseeing role? >> reporter: that's a very good question. i was talking to a different source here today, anderson, who said this process is very fluid, cautioning we have had these palace intrigue stories before about reince priebus, the white house chief of staff.
how many times have we heard he was going to be leaving and he didn't leave? so i do think we have to take some of the speculation with a grape of salt. as the president changes his mind in one direction, he could go in another direction. and what we're hearing tonight may not be the case a week from now. but that's an excellent question, because it does raise this question of what is going on inside this white house? why can't we get basic answers to questions that are very important right now. sean spicer couldn't deliver those answers. so why would he be in charge of an operation that might not be able to answer those questions. >> what sit liis it like in the wing? it seems like it has to be chaotic is one word. >> reporter: i hear that word a lot, chaotic. that is the atmosphere that president trump, that donald trump as you know, anderson, thrives on. he likes having these different factions fighting, because he
feels like it results in a better process, in better decision making. you can take issue with that, obviously a lot of people do. but it fedepends on who you tal to. there is an atmosphere that the president can do no wrong. you saw that happen at the cabinet meeting where he went around the table asking people to compliment them. it was a bizarre scene. so i think there is a culture here at the white house that creates that sort of environment where people have to tell the president what he wants to hear. the question becomes, can he bring people in that tell him what he doesn't want to hear? >> jim, thanks. i want to bring in our panel now. i only want to hear things i want to hear. so charles? can you remember another time
when the fate of the white house press secretary was so sort of publicly discussed? >> yeah, no, i can't. and it's somewhat odd, because almost every senior adviser since they started has gone through a phase where it was leaked that they were imminently on their way out. remember when steve bannon was going to be fired, reince priebus was going to be fired. >> kellyanne conway disappeared for a while and she came back. >> and sean spicer and his associates have been leaking that his job has been on the line. it does seem he has gotten a little control over the story now, because the story is he is now being the one who is going to find his own replacement. so that suggests he's not being pushed out but will retain this title of communications director, which is above the press secretary. and he's going to find someone to be the face of the white house. frankly, i don't think it matters who the press secretary
is. they could have jeffrey lord as their press secretary. i'm floating that. what matters is, can the person do the job that the press and the public requires? do they have access to the president and do they get reliable, timely, and honest, truthful information to the public on a daily basis? that's not been the pattern so far. >> kirsten, no matter what the title is, unless they have access to the president and the president starts being honest with them, they're going to continue to come out and say stuff that's not true. >> he's basically said he's just so fast moving, there's no way for them to keep up with them. it's no more fast moving than any other president. so other presidents have been able to make sure people are informed and have a sense of responsibility about that. but the only thing that might
change it a little bit is somebody that is not going to put up with donald trump's crap, and laura ingram is that kind of person. i think it wouldn't be a particularly enjoyable experience for reporters, but she is somebody who would not -- i think she has more self-respect than some of the people going out and just saying i can't give you this information. i don't see her going out day after day not knowing what's going on. she's somebody that trump does respect, because he likes people that is on tv. she's very smart and bright. >> i've been on her show in the past. but would she want to give up -- >> i don't know. she said -- she's indicated she would be open to it. so i think that -- but i do think what is missing are people who are -- you need somebody who is not going to just accept they're uninformed and they're going to walk out and humiliate themselves every day. >> can you give a good explanation why the white house
would bar reporters from even recording audio of a briefing from shawn spiceer? >> the only reason i can think of, and i'm sort of reaching here, would be -- obviously there is such a thing as having like a gaggle where you would want to talk to people off the record and not for attribution. >> notebook only gaggle. >> right. where i want you to know what i'm thinking, what i think might be happening. that's perfectly legitimate. but that is not what this was. there really is no rational for doing this. i would say very quickly to the laura ingram report. she would have the leverage, right? we've all been this that position or seen people in that position. sean spicer was kind of lucky to get the gig as press secretary. laura would have -- she would have the gravitas and the juice, so to speak, to demand access in a way that someone like spicer couldn't. >> one more point about the role of the press secretary. one thing that has changed,
jeffrey lord talks about ronald reagan. marlin fitzwater was a bridge between the press and the president. that's not how the trump white house sees that role. >> jeffrey, you said you were a big first amendment guy. are you comfortable with the role that the press secretaries have so far in these off camera, no audio? >> no. i've been a press secretary for a congressman and senator. you have to inform the press. if you don't want to say something, don't say something. but don't cut them off that's a mistake. one thing i would say, i do remember a press secretary who had this problem, and i don't know whether he had the formal title, but in the clinton administration, george stephanopoulos began briefing the press in that role, although i think dee dee myers held the title. but they pulled him off and gave
him the title senior adviser. but i think george felt humiliated needlessly. you know -- >> it's a similar question. >> i have to say, outside of washington and media folks, the only people -- we're the only people that care about this. out in america, they care about who the president is, but the staff, they couldn't care less. >> charles, does -- i mean, does the president have anyone but himself to blame if he's not happy with the message that's getting out? >> of course not. what these people are willing asked to do is impossible. you cannot deliver truth if the man who is talking to you is lying. so they have to try to make rational something that is not rational. they have to try to make sense of something that simply does not make sense. and they have to make him look good,continues to make himself look bad.
they try to put a good face on this, so they're trying to do something that cannot be done. and in the west wing, maybe that works, that everybody simply flatters the king. but in the real world, when you're facing real reporters who have done this for their entire lives, it doesn't fly. when you're facing the american public and they know you're lying, it simply doesn't fly. so it doesn't matter who it is. even if it's laura age ra aa in don't like her at all. she's not all that smart or that much of an honorable person, and anybody who has to step into this role, you have to go out and convince somebody who is lying, and that's a problem. there's no way to get around that. >> we're going to continue this discussion. more breaking news. the senate judiciary committee has reached an agreement about the scope of its investigation and may look at obstruction of justice.
we do know that comey handed over his contemporaneous memos that documented his conversations with donald trump, right? and if james comey, if the special counsel, mueller, wanted those documents and wanted to see them, as far as i can tell, there's only one reason he would want them, to understand whether there was some kind of obstruction. so we know he's scratching the surface of that case. it's very interesting that the senate judiciary committee is looking into this, because it's an fbi matter, right? it's a criminal probe. but that suggests there are some senators who think at the end of the day, if there is a case that he did obstruct justice, the president is not going to be indicted. this is getting into the realm of politics and impeachment. >> charles, how many times have we had this story out, the president tweets something, and he's tweeted blatantly, i'm
under investigation, now his attorneys are saying no, he's not, yes, he is. then you have kellyanne conway saying he was being ironic. again, is the president kind of -- >> make sense? they can't do it. there's no way -- they're trying to make it better. he makes mistakes. he gets in his huff, probably before he even meets with his staff. i'll have to check the time on the tweet. they start at 6:00, but they trickle throughout the day. and even after he's coming off same, i'm realizing that the time stamp is right after he gets off stage, giving a real speech. so you realize nobody can keep up with it. so they're basically just responding. not that i have any sympathy for them, i have none. >> you sure? >> no, zero. but i do understand what's happening. there's no way for them to keep it straight really.
but i understand why the senate would be looking at that. if nothing comes out of this, nothing that compels him to issue a public report. the senate committees would do that. they might just want the american people to know the extent of whatever it is, they might want the american people to know. >> one thing that my friend marvin on his radio show in his earlier life was a chief of staff to the attorney general, says there's a memo from 1973 from the justice department that says the sitting president cannot be indicted. and that "the new york times" had a story not long ago which they quoted all sorts of legal experts. so the question is not that at all, nor can it be. >> it's still not settled, but all memos can be overwritten at any time. but this has never been settled
by the supreme court. a lot of constitutional scholars know the president can't be indicted. ken starr of the independent counsel was considering indicting president clinton, but he decided not to. >> i do want to play this that a senator said to wolf blitzer said earlier today, that he believes michael flynn is a cooperating witness with the fbi. take a listen. >> all the signals are suggesting that he's already cooperating with the fbi, and may have been for some time. this would be just another bit of leverage for the prosecutors to make sure that he was cooperating and giving truthful testimony in order to avoid lengthy imprisonment. that's the conclusion from all of the evidence and experience from dealing with this. >> if that is the case, that's big. >> it's very big, and you have to wonder about other people making similar deals. if you're the trump people, you have to worry about that, that
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jared kushner is looking to beef up his legal representation. president trump's son-in-law and senior adviser has reached out to criminal lawyers to see if they would represent him in the federal investigation into alleged ties between the trump campaign and russia during the 2016 presidential race. our justice correspondent jessica schneider joins us with more. what do we know about this legal revach? >> it's twofold. jared kushner has contacted some high power criminal attorneys who could potentially step in and represent him as these investigations continue to unfold according to "the new york times", who said some big names are being considered, including abby noel. and second of all, any change in attorney is being signed off by kushner's current attorney. she released this statement saying, after and then continue
the fact that kushner is considering adding on a well respected or trading a well respected washington attorney for a tough litigator. >> we don't know why jamie wrote the letter that she did. there are a couple possible reasons here. one is even though it doesn't rise to the level of a formal conflict that would require her to recede from the case, nonetheless the appearance of impropriety with connections to mueller may be disturbing to kushner. there mofore he may want someon without that tie. and there's been public criticism from her. she is a liberal lawyer and received a lot of criticism for representing mr. kushner and ivanka trump. that may have played some role in this, too. you just never know.
but whatever the case may be, there's nothing wrong with kushner seeking good representation. anybody who is being investigated by the doj should be advised to do so. >> and frankly, it speaks well of his current attorney that she would point out potential conflicts or the potential appearances of conflict. that seems like a good thing. the notion put forward by the president's lawyer over the weekend that a, the president is not under investigation for obstruction of justice, and b, he would know it if it were, is that the case? would the president be told that he was under investigation somebody >> no. it would belie logic, if the nib or the justice department was trying to conduct an investigation that was covert, trying to add as much information as they could before they alerted someone. you would not have the courtesy of being informed but you would know if you got a subpoena or
you would know if you were going to be interviewed by the fbi or justice department. so frankly the only person that would be in position to know would be donald trump himself. but you're right, anderson, that is this, jared kushner is very, very prudent to think about having a legal team mean?
>> i think there's a serious legal issue here whether mueller could investigate the president for obstruction of justice under his appointment letter. special counsel mueller is a special counsel. he's not the same thing as an independent counsel. that statute expired in 1999. congress didn't want to reauthorize it, because everybody got burned. they started out
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explosives and weapons inside his car. in north london, one dead and several others injured after a van plowed them over outside a mosque. >> here's a 47-year-old man from cardiff in wales. some distance from london, but it looks like he hired a van and dro drove here north of the city. a crowd was involved. he drove into people and they collapsed into people. it ran on to run over other people as well. the man who collapsed was dead on the scene and eight other people were taken to the hospital. >> i understand the public actually played a role in saving
lives there. >> indeed. they actually grabbed the man from behind the wheel, pulled him out of the ground and wrestled him out of the car. he was scratching and biting the whole time saying, you guys deserve this, you guys deserve this. this is why the community believes they were targeted specifically, and it's a big part of why british officials from the prime minister down today were describing this as an isla islamapho birks islamaphobic terror attack. >> what about the attack in paris? >> after the van hit people in paris, it exploded into flames. there was one person inside. police say they broke windows, pulled the person out, but that person later died. no one else was hurt, but the man in the car was known to authorities. one of thousands of people on a watch list of suspected extremists. it's notable because it's yet another attack against french
security forces, the fifth in four months, and officials there say it is yet another sign that the terror threats level there remains very high. >> phil black, thank you very much. appreciate the update. up next, is the president under investigation or is he not and why can't the white house settle on one answer to that very question? we'll explain ahead. and we will have you on your way. ♪ runway models on the runway? surprising. what's not surprising? how much money evan saved by switching to geico. i would not wear that lace. hmm, i don't know? fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more.
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significant law enforcement present in all the schools so law enforcement is goes to protect these schools along with hardening rather than having the teachers. i want the teachers to teacher. and rhode island has become the first state to act on gun policy in the wake of the florida school shooting. gina romando signed an executive order that establishes statewide red flag policy. right now, more than dooz dozen other states are considering similar red flag laws. it's been almost two weeks since the deadly shooting at a high school in parkland, florida. the school resource officer who resigned after failing to go into the school after the gunman is defending those actions. >> the attorney for armed campus deputy scott peterson is speaking out, peterson,
three bullets, in her stomach, chest and hand. doctors calling her recovery a miracle. >> and i'd just like to say that i'm so grateful to be here and it wouldn't be possible without those officers and first responders and amazing doctors. >> while students are grateful, some are anxious about returning to class on wednesday. teachers arriving back at their classrooms greeted the by a rainbow. >> the rainbow was there for hoe. >> that was kerri sanders reporting in florida. democrats continue to maintain their edge on the generic ballot. currently, democrats hold a 16-point lead over republicans. 54% of registered voters said they would vote for the democrat if the midterms were held today, up five points since last month. 38% said they would vote for the
republican down six points. 57% of democrats said they are extremely enthusiastic to vote for congress this year. 43% of republicans said they were extremely or very enthusiastic. switching to the russian probe, a source with knowledge says white house communications director hope hicks will appear before the house intelligence committee for the first time later this morning. the source said there had been no agreement on the scope of questions like there was when steve bannon appeared there. they said, quote, drama is likely. hicks is one of the president's longest serving aides, a member of his campaign team since the very beginning.
daniel lipman is joining us. let's talk about hope hicks. given what we saw happen.and what unfoaled with steve bannon with the issue of executive privilege, what are you expecting lawmakers there to, a, ask her and, b, how she would respond. >> so i think she and her daughter have worked out exactly what she is going to say. this is a high stakes moment for her. and i think she's expected to be asked about statements she helped craft on air force one responding to the comey firing and also the initial "new york times" report about the meeting at trump tower that don junior and jared and paul manafort were a part of. so she has to give clear answers that make the it seems like she didn't obstruct justice. her phrase, the e-mails won't get out. she wants to say that's referring to them in the media and not actually referring to
e-mails getting into the hands of mueller. >> so let me ask you, in the event that she does follow along with other trump aides and refuse to answer certain questions, what resource does the house intel committee have to force her to comply and get specifics? >> thufrgs they could hold her and other trump people who don't want to say what they know in under contempt of congress. then you would have a legal battle. that is unlikely to happen today because you need to see more stonewalling for that to happen. it's a very natural process for people in the executive branch not to want to share everything with congress, but in this case, this is a high national priority to get to the bottom of this. and with mueller, it's much harder for her and i think she's already talked to mueller to make that aurlt.
there is obviously some kieventd of pressure on congress to deal with gun control. what kind of movement are we likely to see congress take up? >> so i think every day that we are removed from the parklands massacre, just the pressure gets less. you know, people talk less about those brave high schoolers coming forward to ask for action. what we're lickly to get is a modest bill that, you know, fixed knicks bill which is helping the background check system. but i think republicans have to be very careful that they're not seen as not improving the situation. because most americans, you know, over 90% of americans support universal background checks. that seems like a no-brainer. i think even trump supports that. but there's a bunch of
conservative republicans worried about their own base which does not want any gun regulation. >> certainly going intoog into a midterm election, as well. stick around. >> thank you. still ahead, a possible gop civil war in mississippi as one conservative fire brand hints at entering the state race. plus, syria under siege. russia orders a humanitarian cease-fire to allow civilians to evacuate, but will it actually last? those stories and a check on weather when we come back. stay with us.
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damascus. russia is the primary backer of the syrian government's campaign. many men, women and children have died since the government began bombarding the city just over a week and a half ago. it all comes if in spite of a u.n. security counsel resolution calling for a 30-day cease-fire across all of syria that was pass unanimously on saturday. just hours after that passed, witnesses tell nbc news that war planes tbed passing forcing residents to seek shelter in bamps with several other being killed. a ground offensive has been launched and on sunday more than a dozen people in ghouta were treated with injuries with chlorine gas attacks. in an echo of last year's chemical weapons attack, the
russian defense ministry is blaming rebels in the area of keeping stockpiles of the toxic agent. a u.n.-led initiative to stop these attacks in syria was vetoed by russia just last november. back here at home, the senate is bracing for a battle to put a rift between republicans and the more conservative activist portion of the party. wicker has reportedly been assured of president trump's support. mcdaniel teased him impending campaign launch, expected to come tomorrow in a facebook live post last night. >> i'm going to be holding an event that i think you can probably read between the lines as the to why i would be holding an event. we're looking for a fight. and i can't wait to have you on
my team. >> so backed by the tea party, mcdabbel nearly beat the state's other republican senator back in a 20 is 14 primary challenge losing by two points in a runoff back then. politico is the first to report that mcdaniels plans ending months of speculation about whether he would run in the scheduled primary against wicker or wait to see if cochran retires and try to win that seat. bill, some severe weather and flooding returning to the south this morning. >> yeah, exactly what they don't want, lewis. they're just getting done cleaning up this past weekend. so the rainfall prediction through thursday, so late today and through the next two days, this red is 2 inches. the pink inside, that is another 3 inches. this is the rainfall prediction map. now i'm going to add on here the red polygons that show us river
flood warnings right now. ohio river, this is the mississippi river. a lot of smaller rivers within some of these states. some of that is centered right on where the heaviest a rain is going to be. then we have saturated soil, add on top of that a quick 2 to 3 inches. maybe 4 to 5 in isolated cases. flash flooding will be a big problem in this region. that's why flood watches are up from tyler, texas, through central tennessee. we have about 10 million people under flash flood watches or flood watches and this is the area of greatest concern. as we go through the day today, umbrellas needed in austin. eventually it will rain in dallas and shreveport. we'll take this up to little rock by about 7:00 p.m. 5:00 p.m. for the evening drive, it's exiting dallas/ft. worth, raining hard over shreveport, and overnight, that batch of rain moves over the ohio river where we have flooding ongoing, too. round two on wednesday in areas of northern mississippi. so today, another nice day, no problems for the eastern seaboard.
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welcome back. time now for sports. it was a busy day, especially for the new york rangers who are at the bottom of the metropolitan division. their front office decided to trade ryan mcdonough for a slew of picks. the blue shirts move ryan graves to the colorado avalanche. meanwhile, the vegas golden knights went all in on this year, giving up three future draft picks for tomas tatar. the winnipegs picked paul stasny from the blues. the "new york times" reports goodell is preparing to fine jones millions of dollars for conduct detrimental to the league after jones hired a high profile attorney last november to sue the six owners of the
league's compensation committee after it became clear goodell would get a new deal without needing the approval of the other owners. the times reports the league will pay jones to pay the legal fees of the committee along with the legal expenses to defend cowboys running back ezekiel elliott. meanwhile, super bowl winning seahawks quarterback russell wilson is now a new york yankee. yes, you're hearing that correctly. he was acquired by a trade from the texas rangers to new york and he will be spending the next few days with the team during spring training. wilson says the move is not a stunt and that the opportunity has allowed him to fulfill a lifelong dream, even though he may not be a bronx bomber in the regular season, he was at batting practice yesterday. wilson went yard six times at one point hitting three home runs on four pitches, ayman. pretty incredible to see that go from football to baseball.
unbelievable. >> that is absolutely incredible. you have tim tebow doing it now russell wilson. it will be interesting to see if both of them square off at some point in new york. >> and he has baseball fooeever now. still ahead, a setback for the trump administration. the supreme court declines to take up a case dealing with daca leaving dreamers safe at least for now. plus, why delta's decision to cut ties with the nra could end up costing the airline. if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, or psoriatic arthritis, little things can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats differently. for psoriasis, 75% clearer skin is achievable with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. and for psoriatic arthritis, otezla is proven to reduce joint swelling, tenderness, and pain. and the otezla prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring.
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welcome back. it's the bottom of the hour. let's start with the morning's top stories for you. we begin with democratic state attorneys general meeting in washington, d.c. were disappointed yesterday to find out that they would not be meeting with the president to actually discuss gun safety. so far, the president has met with two republican state attorneys general but no democrats. he did, however, host a bipartisan group of governors. here is hallie jackson. >> from president trump on the parkland school shooting, hypothetical heroics. >> i think i -- i really believe i'd run in even if i didn't have a weapon. >> reporter: the president piling on, criticizing the four florida deputies who may have held back during the attack. >> they weren't exact thely medal of honor winners. the way they performed was, frankly, disgusting. >> in a meeting with governors,
president trump pledging he's willing to take on the nra. >> if they're the not with you, we have to fight them every once in a while. >> but no mention of an idea that he likes that the nra does not. raising the minimum age to buy automatic weapons to 21. president trump did talk about arming certain properly trained educators. >> educators should educate and they should not be foisted upon this responsibility of packing heat in first grades classes. so i just suggest we need a little less tweeting, a little more listening. >> even the president's senior citizen adviser ivanka trump is not fully on board. >> to be honest, i don't know. it's an idea that needs to be discussed. >> no teacher should be compelled, but others are concerned about their students and have training and specific
capacity as you've described. >> for now, changes to gun laws look more likely to come from the states than the federal government. in congress, a narrow bill to strengthen background checks seems to have the most momentum, but a senate debate on that has not been scheduled yesterday with democrats arguing that bill alone would be insufficient. still, the difference this time could be the student survivors demanding action. >> i have been heartened to see children across this country using their voices to speak out and try to create change. >> hallie jackson, nbc news, the white house. and staying in washington, congress returned amid a break lacking specific direction from the white house. members are waiting to see what, if anything, actually develops. a senior republican leadership source tells the nbc news the house is waiting for the senate to act while democratic senator joe manchin looked to president
trump to lead. >> you can reintroduce all the bills you want to. i'm happy to do that if it makes people happy. but, you know, i like to get things done. the reality we're looking at, this president is not going to be looked upon as being anti-second amendment. if he does something in a responsible way, i don't think the people that are second amendment people like myself would be concerned he's going to go further and take more away. that was the concern they had under the previous administration. so he has a golden opportunity to do a responsible, reasonable things and that's what he's talked about. so we're willing to help any way we can. >> and the supreme court has handed president trump a setback over the future of daca. the court yesterday declined to take up a key case dealing with the protection of thousands of immigrants. instead, the justice has ruled an appeals court should hear the case first. now, the trump administration tried to skip the ninth circuit
court of appeals and go directly to the scattered showers in its bid to start ending daca protections next month. speaking yesterday, president trump discussed the decision and the fact that the case would go back to the liberal leaning ninth circuit court. >> daca is going to be put back into the 9th circuit. you know, we tried to get it moved quickly because we would like to help daca. i think everybody in this room wants to help with daca. but the supreme court ruled it has to go through the normal chain chann channel, so it's going back in. it's really sad when every single case filed against us is in the ninth circuit. we lose, we lose, we lose. but what does that tell you about our court system? it's a very sad thing. so daca is going back, and we'll see what happens there. the decision by the supreme court now gives congress a reprieve on daca.
any legislative deadline would likely fall after the midterm elections so the courts have time to finish hearing the case and any questions appeals. meanwhile, the scattered showers appears divided over a case that could dramatically even public unions. it allows public unions to collect fees from nonmembers who benefit from collective bargaining. the four liberal justices appeared to sign with the unions while conservative justices john roberts, anthony kennedy and samuel alito appeared ready to rule against them. however, the crucial voice that remains silent was that of trump appointee neil gorsuch. his record on the issue is less definitive. the ruling, which could affect laws in more than 20 states, is affected by late june. inning us from washington is politico's daniel lipman. good to have you back with us. >> thanks for having me. >> so the supreme court yesterday as we noted declined to intervene on daca yesterday,
taking the pressure off of lawmakers to fix the program before trump's march 5th deadline. at the risk of sounding like a broken record, will congress revictim gragz before the next shutdown deadline, do you think, in march? >> yeah. we've talked about this issue it seems like every week. >> i feel like it's a regular running theme. >> so, you know, what i'm hearing from my sources is that one potential possibility is that at the ends of march, there's a big omnibus and they could put 7.6 billion or a little more in border wall funding along with an extension for three years of protection for dreamers. and i've talked to even some democratic members and they say they would get behind that. they would swallow their pride and vote for that border wall funding in exchange for, you know, giving protection to these dreamers and having them to reassure that they won't get deported anytime soon. >> so yesterday we saw president trump say away from backing any
specific gun control proposals. why haven't we seen a full endorsement of the president of any specific gun control measures, whether it be age restrictions or background checks or what have you? >> i think president trump doesn't want to let down his base. he even said yesterday, we shouldn't get too afraid of the nra. we have to fight them once in a while. but it doesn't seem like he's actually doing that in this case. he's worried that his base would be mad at him if he, you know, supported some common sense gun control measures and i think, you know, he doesn't want to get in the way of the nra, which is a very powerful force in washington. >> yeah. and to the president's defense, at least, he did say he wants to ban bump stocks and said he would do that even if congress doesn't. so it will be interesting to see if he can deliver on that one issue. let's switch gears for a moment and talk about jared kushner's security clearance.
what are you hearing about the status of his temporary security clearance and has this so far impacted his ability to work in the white house? we know trump has punted the issue to general kelly. has general kelly given any indication as to how he plans to resolve the lack of security clearance for jared kushner? >> it seems like general kelly must have punted the issue again. jared kushner has been without a permanent security clearance for a year and he's still been able to do his job. he continues working hard at that job. but, you know, rex tillerson has been worried about jared encroaching on his territory. at one point, tillerson said, you know, we can't have four secretaries of states running around. but, you know, jared seems to be in good spirits. i ran into him last week at a restaurant. he wasn't complaining about his security clearance there. >> are we allowed to ask you what the restaurant was? no, no, don't tell us. >> it was kavari on k street.
>> thanks. and amid the ongoing calls with companies to receiver ties with the nr are a in the wake of parkland florida school shooting, delta is facing backlash in its home state over its push to do just that. conserve ifr leaders are vowing to block a lucrative tax break bill for the air line unless it fully reinstates its deal with the organization. it would eliminate a state tax on jet fuel, potentially saving the company tens of millions of dollars. delta is one of several companies to abandon its relationship with the nra after the shooting. yesterday casey cable tweeted, i will kill any tax legislation that benefits delta unless the company changes its position and fully reinstates its relationship with nra. corporations cannot attack conservatives and expect us not
to fight back. meanwhile, another company that has ties with the nra says it has no plans to cut ties with nra. fedex says it will continue to keep its relationship with the nra. >> absolutely, lewis. they released a statement on monday saying they never set or change rate for any of our million of customers around the world in response to their politics, beliefs or stance on issues. they did add, however, that they oppose rifles being in the hands of civilians. and, of course, since monday, about a dozen or so companies have severed ties with the nra since the florida shooting. elsewhere, fitbit has plummeted 15% in after hours trading yesterday after releasing its earnings release. they only sold 15 million devices last year compared to 22
million devices the year before. they're getting a lot of competition from the likes of apple and they said going forward, they're expecting revenues to decline as much as 20%. and some breaking news this morning, jomana, involving msnbc and nbc, come comfort announcing its making a rival bid to fox to buy the uk-based sky. what's the offer and what are you details that you can tell us about? >> huge news, exactly, lewis. so comcast, the parent of this company, has made this offer for sky and sky is a european broadcaster with 23 million customers and thooeey're renown for having the soccer rights. they came in with 50 a share. the this is at a 16% premium to the offer already put on the table by fox. the background is sky had agreed to sell to fox, but there is a bit of an issue with the british
r regulator. so it could be a sign of more things to come. we're seeing more and more u.s. networks looking to branch into europe and into asia. most analysts saying this is the beginning of a media war, lewis. back to you. >> thanks so much. still ahead, first lady ma lan ya trump reportedly takes action amid the scandal involving a $26 million inauguration payday. plus, first daughter and senior adviser ivanka trump faces allegations of sexual misconduction against her father. and bill karins is back with us. stay with us.
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house, but when it comes to the topic of sexual misconduct, she would rather be viewed as a daughter. nbc's peter alexander asked her about allegations of sexual misconduct that her father has been accused of and denied. take a listen to how she responded. >> do you believe your father's accusers? >> i think it's a pretty inappropriate question to ask a daughter if she believes the acurers of her father when he's affirmatively stated that there's no truth to it. i don't think that's a question you would ask many other daughters. i believe my father. i know my father. so i think i have that right as a daughter to believe my father. >> the "new york times" reports trump's response has faced pushback from journalists and
others who say she was at the olympics games in an official capacity and has positioned herself for a voice for women inside the white house. after a controversy, the "new york times" reports first lady melania trump has parted ways with stephanie winston walco the tt last are are week terminating a contract by which trump's long time friend was an unpaid government employee. wallcot made headlines when it was learned she was paid nearly $26 million to plan events around it. sources with direct knowledge of the situation tell the times that mrs. trump was dispoliced by the news. a spokesperson said the first lady, quote, had no involved with the inaugural committee and she had no knowledge of how the funds were spent. and melania trump delivered her first speech of 2018 yesterday and used the opportunity to address the recent tragedy that killed 17 in parkland, florida. the first lady commended the students who are leading the movement towards gun violence prevention and encouraged parents to promote kindness,
compassion and respect muck children to teach them positive social media habits. >> it is important that as adults we take the lead and the responsibility in helping our children manage the many issues they are facing today. this means encouraging positive habits with social media and technology, even limiting time online. i'm asking you all to join me today and committee the to promoting values such as encouragement, kindness, compassion and respect in our children. with those values as a solid foundation, our kids would be better equipped to deal with many of the evils in our world today such as drug abuse and addiction and negative social media interactions. >> positive speech given there by the first lady. let's get a check on your weather now with nbc
meteorologist bill karins. bill, some rain and severe weather in the so you say south you're talking today. >> it's amazing that we just keep talking spring. the storm that is going to move into the middle of the country is currently located in california. did bring some rain to los angeles overnight. why is that a big deal? sacramento had some rain is and snow. so the flood watches are up from northeast texas, about 10 million people including the nashville area, memphis and little rock. this is through thursday with rounds of rain. the first one comes in later today. rain starts in texas and it will overspread the region later. notice how warm it is. 66 st. louis. 60s as far north as chicago. even in the northeast, not bad with temperatures in the 50s for this time of year. more mid to late march.than mid to late february. the only real winter late air is in the northern rockies. that's not all that bad. tomorrow, round two of the rain moves in and the this one could have some strong storms with it. notice we're still very warm on
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so upset about this. >> especially reportedly saying, giving him advice not to resign, saying that he could weather this. again, this is an accused domestic abuser. >> right. you have to question kelly's judgment. and, you know, people inside the white house say, look, many of them like kelly, some of them don't like kelly because he silos everything and keeps them away from the president. but one thing most people seem to agree on is that he doesn't have any political sense. and, you know, he doesn't understand -- >> political? gloria, listen. >> no, in terms of -- >> i don't want to be insulting. >> no, but i'm not saying on the abuse stuff, but i'm just saying, a priori, this is such a terrible thing, get rid of him. >> why is he even still there after all of this time? >> that's a good question. >> i want to get to jim. chief of staff, john kelly, we're talking about him.
forward was pretty glowing. and it's sort of odd, a senior white house official told us this evening, don, one of the reasons they were putting out these glowing statements not only from john kelly but from white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders is that those statements were drafted and written in response to the initial "daily mail" story that broke all of this, and that they did not respond quickly enough when these other reports were coming out including from cnn that featured a photograph of one of porter's ex-wives with a black eye. and that essentially, i'm told, the photograph of the black eye changed everything. there are many things wrong with that on multiple levels. first of all, it should not take a photograph of somebody with a black eye to prompt the white house to take action. the white house should be a shining example of what's tolerated in the workplace, not having to spin itself out of control the way it's doing tonight. the other thing, don, and this gets to what gloria was saying, on the face of it, obviously domestic violence should not be tolerated and that should be grounds enough for dismissal. but there is sort of a political
tone deafness, a political malpractice going on with john kelly, to think that he could keep rob porter on despite all of this is kind of mind-boggling. it leaves me with the impression that there are two trumps at the white house, the president himself and the chief of staff, and both of them sometimes don't listen to reason. >> i have to say this, because there's all this consternation about the memo, the memo, the fbi, the fisa warrants and all this stuff, classified information. rob portman was seeing classified information and didn't have a permanent security clearance. >> so did jared kushner. >> so did jared kushner. this is in part because of the allegations of domestic abuse that john kelly knew about. walter shaub tweets tonight, the former head of the office of government ethics, he said john kelly, often touted as the white house's adult, falsely smeared a congresswoman, tells us a
you know, where he tries to walk back and clarify, and then he has to -- why do you have to say "but i stand by my argument that he was a great guy"? it's very politically tone deaf. i think when you juxtapose it with that picture, the black eye, you know, look, it's reprehensible, it's horrible, but, you know, gloria was talking about the optics and the politics of that, yeah, i think it's a lack of character, it's a lack of decency. it's also political malpractice. >> i also think that kelly may be having a difficult problem understanding that the person he knows, whom he says is integrity and honorable and all the rest and did a great job, could also be an abuser. i mean, those two things happen a lot, right? people who do their jobs and go about it every day and seem to be just perfectly fine can then go home and hit their wives.
and so, you know, maybe kelly is trying to get his head around that. i don't want to make excuses for him. >> hold on. it makes me wonder how disconnected from the reality of the moment, especially when you have the "me too" moment, you have women standing up for their rights, women who have been abused, not only sexual abuse, but this is domestic violence, you see a bruise on a woman's face, he is not only tone deaf but ignorant of where the culture is now, he is ignorant of society. remember david johnston, the gold star widow, she lost her husband and the president had this tone deaf conversation and kelly defended the president and talked about "i remember when women were respected," let's play the sound bite. >> i was a kid growing up, a lot of things were sacred in our country. women were sacred. looked upon with great honor. that's obviously not the case anymore, as we see from recent cases.
>> but when we're at home, i hate to say this, barefoot, pregnant, cooking dinner for their husband, women not too long ago got the right to vote. what is wrong with him to think that women were respected in that time? it's just not true, he's living in an alternative reality. what he's saying is just not happening. can he survive this, gloria? should he survive this? >> look, i think this isn't the only knock against him, to be honest. and if i -- i wouldn't be surprised if he is gone pretty quickly. i mean, i don't know. but i think that, you know, there have been stories, and we've done some of them over the past month, that donald trump has had some problems with the general. and i think that our reporting shows, and i know jim knows this as well, that the president was very upset when he heard about this. and so i'm assuming they're going to have a very tough
conversation. i mean, jim, wouldn't you assume that? >> absolutely, yeah. >> and again, there are people inside the white house who don't have kelly's back. and some of the president's closest friends have been kept from talking to the president by general kelly, so they don't like him very much. we'll have to see where this -- you know, where this takes us. >> the bigger point i'm trying to make is women are fighting for equality, i know they've had the right to vote for a hundred years, but fighting for equality, especially in this day and age, when it comes to abuses of all sorts. jim, when did john kelly find out about this, do we know for sure? >> you know, don, from what we understand, this was not known in the initial months of the administration. i heard that from a senior white house official earlier today, but that this was becoming known, this was becoming common knowledge as john kelly was taking command of the staff inside the west wing. >> was he keeping it from other
people? >> and he was aware of these problems -- well, he was aware of these problems with the security background check and others were aware of the problems with the background check. and to not take action on that also raises questions about kelly's judgment that i think he's going to have to answer eventually. whether he knew about all of these allegations, i don't think that has been shown at this point. he does say in this statement tonight something about "these new allegations," he was shocked by these new allegations. but again, when they put out that statement, when the white house press secretary came into the briefing room earlier today, they put out a statement, from john kelly, from sarah sanders, from orrin hatch, all praising rob porter. and the question is, how could they possibly think that's a good idea when this person was already saying, porter was already saying i'm stepping down, i'm resigning, and oh, bouy wby the way, i know about these pictures because i took them. it would seem to me everybody in the white house would have to do
a gut check, hit the pause button, and come up with some new statements. and they just didn't do that. and it raises major questions about their competence, i think, in terms of handling a crisis of this magnitude. >> you've got a pained look on your face, matt, why is that? >> look, this is just -- you know, this is a really, really bad story on so many levels. you know, you've got a guy here, you've got not one ex-wife, but two. >> two. >> and then a third -- >> hold on. anyone who says this is some conspiracy by the media, you would have to go back in time, predict that donald trump would become president, and then come up with this story in order to get him out of office. so none of that makes sense. but go on. >> i believe the women. and then you've got that picture. and you've got a third woman who is coming forward, a girlfriend. and look, john kelly is entrusted to, you know, protect
america in terms of the sensitive information that staffers are exposed to. you know, it just boggles the mind. this is a huge, huge problem. and they just compounded it by their statements. i just -- i don't see how anybody could possibly defend this. >> and i don't know -- let me ask, what is the new information that has come out? it seems to me that -- is the new information the picture? because there was a restraining order against him. so does the picture make that much of a difference? up know jim made this point earlier this evening. i don't see how a picture should make that much of a difference when you have the fbi report that says this man's ex-wife had to get a restraining order against him and he was accused of punching in a glass door. >> i agree, gloria, but the
picture is powerful. >> it is, but if there is a domestic abuse report against somebody in the white house, i don't think you need a picture. that's my point. >> the other thing about john kelly's judgment here, this is a guy, he's not a young sort of naive quixotic person. it is a huge flaw. this is somebody who has seen a lot of the word. for him not to see that, that's problematic. >> i was just going to say very quickly, if it's possible, to bounce off what he was just saying, i talked to a general who had served with general kelly, chief of staff kelly, in iraq, who said to me this evening, "i don't recognize this john kelly." >> that was my question. who is this john kelly? is this the person we thought he was?
>> exactly. and that is what i think a lot of people are saying right now. they thought john kelly was going to be the adult in the room over here in the white house and they didn't expect this. just yesterday he was in hot water for saying that some dreamers were too ladizy to get off their asses so sign up for protections under the daca order. >> i do have to say, gloria, just talking about, yes, you shouldn't have to have a picture. but the picture i think made all the difference when it came to al franken, right? it was right there in our faces. >> yes. yes. >> and now we're looking at this rob porter story, it's right there in our faces for us to see. i think that makes a huge opinion, especially in the court of public opinion. thank you all, i appreciate it. ahead, our sources telling cnn a white house official, even chief of staff john kelly knew about domestic abuse allegations
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hired in spite of that? remember, "only the best people"? porter resigned today. scott generjennings and alice st join me. he denies the allegations, he says these allegations are simply false, i took the photos 15 years ago. the reality behind them is nowhere close to what is being described. i will not engage with a smear campaign. so he's calling it a smear campaign. scott, respond to that, do you think it's a smear campaign? >> frankly i don't understand the strategy of defending someone who's already decided to resign. rob porter has a version of the story, the ex-wives have a version of the story. the fbi investigated it and brought it to the attention of top white house officials. here's the deal. no matter what the story is, you have to ask yourself, what's
best for the president? number one, what's best for the president is to not have people with this background working in the white house. number two, how can you have a staff secretary who can't get a security clearance when they handle the most sensitive documents, all the documents? number three, at the end of the day you're there to serve the country and the president. if this is going to hurt the president and his agenda, you have to act on it at that point. so right now, there's no defense of this. you can't defend it. you have to let it go and move on. frankly they're going to have to admit a mistake, which is they should have fired him when they found out about it months ago. >> but you're not making an excuse in his defense, saying that this is a smear campaign? i just want to get -- >> to him it probably sounds like a smear campaign. he's got a version that doesn't match the version his ex-wives are telling. but he had a restraining order against him, he knew they were going to make these allegations. clearly he knew they were going to tell the fbi. anybody who gets a background
check in this kind of a job knows they're going to interview people like this. >> do they need to admit that they made a mistake? >> you have to disclose on your forms and frankly to your superiors. this is in my background. >> do they need to admit they made mistakes, scott? if so, does kelly need to own it and should he keep his job? >> yeah, look, i think at the end of the day, they're not going to be able to skirt around the timeline. the timeline is going to have to come out. they'll have to be transparent about this. you can make mistakes in judgment. it does happen. this is a pretty big one, frankly. the job is big. the white house staff secretary handles all the paper flow in and out of the oval office. this isn't somebody in some far-flung agency. they're near the president all the time. i just don't think they're going to be able to not answer questions about the timeline here. i didn't think the second statement, frankly, cleared it up. i understand chief of staff kelly feels personally loyal to mr. porter. but at the end of the day, he's got to decide what's best for
the president right here and what's best is not to defend this. >> all right. so alice, this photograph is really damning, we talked about this last segment. there it is. porter is saying "i took the photograph" or whatever, but there you go. his ex-would i haife told "the n post," "i thought by sharing my story with the fbi, he wouldn't be put in that post. i'm telling the fbi this is what he's done. and jenny willoughby is telling them. and the white house says, sure, this is okay? i was let down by that." what do you say about this, what do you think about what the white house has done? >> i think they clearly dropped the ball here. look, rob says that this didn't happen. he says he's innocent. he says it's a smear campaign. but the fact that he can't
categoca categorically deny this leaves questions. look, i don't care if this guy has the ivy league parchment on the wall and has great character at work. if he's facing mounting allegations of spousal abuse, that raises a question. to scott's point, what's in the best interests for the president? obviously to get rid of him. but what's in the best interests of the american people if we allow someone like this to be in such a high level of importance in the white house? and look, i think everyone can agree that, look, there is a special place in hell for people who abuse their spouse. if we don't take this as an opportunity to stand up against domestic violence, i think this is a tremendous statement on where we are as a country. and look, i think it's really important for the white house to push back even further. the fact that they let him go without shoving him out the door is unfortunate. and i hope that we hear much more about this from the white house as to why he was allowed
to stay as long as he was. >> alice, wasn't this a concern with, pardon my language, the "grab them by the pussy" tape, people who would make an excuse for that or still support someone who would use language like that and would admit to doing it, that they may not take allegations like this seriously, and that is in fact a reality that's happening now? >> from what it sounds like, the president didn't know the gravity of this until late today. >> well, it's the people around him, some of the same people who defended him on this tape, who supported him after that tape came out, are still in the white house, and some of his top advisers. >> yes, and shame on them. i think as soon as the president understood the gravity of this, he made sure swift and decisive action was taken. i think they need to continue to do so. i would like to hear more from the president on this. i think we need to make more of a statement on standing up for these women and making sure that
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that the white house will attempt to neuter the memo. i will be surprised if they release it. they will use their efforts to redact as an excuse to take out the most meaningful parts. it's easy to be suspicious of this white house who has done nothing at this point in time to suppress and make this investigation as difficult as possible. >> how big an impact will this memo have on countering the nunes memo? >> i think it effectively counters point by point the nunes memo. i think it will do a lot to restore the integrity of the investigation. i don't know that it can restore the damage that's been done between the relationship between the intelligence community and congress, or to restore the faith that people have in how this process works. i think there's still going to be real damage to how we keep our country safe. >> congressman, i want to talk to you about the trump campaign
chiefs, corey lewandowski, steve bannon, refusing to appear before your committee. are you goinghem if they continue to refuse? >> look, there is an existing subpoena on mr. bannon, apparently they don't like him either. he was asked questions, but when he said there was a gag order from the white house, they didn't press him. that remains to be seen. mr. lewandowski simply said he's not going to answer questions with this extraordinary expansion of a privilege that the white house has yet to exert. so we don't have the power to subpoena. this is clearly mr. nunes' power. so that's a great concern. it should be noted, when we talk about the midnight ride, there's much more that he's done to suppress the investigation. he's refused to issue subpoenas. he's gone along with this gag order. he is not really the only one to
blame. none of these things could happen, including this latest escapade with rogue investigations and the memo that came with it. none of these things could happen without the speaker of the house involvement. before we get to a constitutional crisis, i think we're just at constitutional clashes now, he has to step up. the only republicans i've seen who have spoken out about this memo and what should be done with it on the minority and majority side are members who are planning to leave congress. where are the profiles in courage? >> you're talking about paul ryan, speaker of the house. can you really count on him? to many people's estimation, so far when it comes to this administration, he has no backbone. >> he hasn't shown a willingness to step up. i was talking to a group earlier today, indivisible. and i said, at some point we have to get past the talking points we've had so far.
let's talk about what the speaker and chairman nunes are doing. they are not only facilitating the suppression of this investigation. by doing that, they're putting the president above the law. we are a co-equal, separate branch of government. in effect, what they're really doing is they're advocating and allowing the president to rise to an autocracy. >> president trump tweeted today, "new fbi texts are bomb shells." a bombshell, really? . >> look, the president is in somewhat of a desperation mode. the mueller investigation is getting closer and closer. it's found its way inside the white house. they must be especially concerned about general flynn's cooperation. after all, he had a lot of exposure, he was only indicted and pled on one count, his son wasn't pled at all.
this is his reaction, a desperate move. the speaker of the house is more interested in protecting the president from the legal challenges he face than in protecting the country. >> congressman quigley, late at the capital for us, we do appreciate it, thank you, sir. >> thank you. when we come back, what's behind steve bannon's and corey lewandowski's refusals to testify before the house intelligence committee? could they be forced to do so? chile, what's going on? i'm at the el tatio geysers. geezer. geyser. geezer. geyser. enough. geezer. whoaa, wooooo. dude, be careful. i think you should come camping. why would i camp in the atacama desert? oh... 3x points on travel and restaurants on every continent. sapphire reserve, from chase.
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michael, former trump confidantes corey lewandowski and steve bannon are refusing to answer questions before the committee. adam schiff says, over the past several weeks we have seen a developing pattern, some witnesses postpone, others cans recall and two specifically have refused to answer questions about the events following the election of donald trump as president. it will therefore are necessary for our committee to enforce the subpoena on bannon and move to compel lewandowski's testimony. do you think, michael, they are doing this at least in part in coordination with the white house? >> well, it's hard to know. with respect to each, they in their earlier rounds of testimony, or lewandowski i think didn't remember much during his earlier rounds of testimony, but bannon specifically said that he wasn't going to answer questions because the white house had instructed him not to.
chief of staff kelly said there weren't any communications of that sort. mcgahn and his lawyers seem to say there were conversations of that sort. but the reality is of course that the president seems, if they are coordinating, to be asserting privilege that does not a coupcontemplate what the privilege provides for, that is policy making between the president and his chief officers. bannon, they want to talk about a whole host of things that took place before the election, and then after he left the white house. there is no executive privilege to be asserted there. so if it is a coordinated effort between the white house and bannon or lewandowski, it's obstructionist behavior as far as i'm concerned. >> kim, i think i mispronounced your name, it's kim walie. do you think they are
intentionally stonewalling the committee, and if they are, what can be done about that? >> i think this comes down to the schoolyard question of "can you make me?" at what point is congress actually going to pull some levers of power to get some of these witnesses to actually testify? and it's not that clear what congress can do. i mean, it has implied power to investigate in order to legislate. so in theory, the sergeant at arms of the house could actually physically bring a witness before the chamber and hold them in contempt and put them in jail. but that hasn't happened in a long time, if they don't cooperate. there's a criminal route that can be taken. but in order to do that we need cooperation from donald trump's department of justice. then there's a civil route for the senate. but that only works if you have a resolution of the senate. so this really ideally would be resolved with some kind of negotiation. my guess is, it's more likely they're trying to work out the
kinks, hopefully in a negotiation, rather than flat out stonewalling and then we would be in some kind of drama again. >> don, may i add something, and kim is exactly right on the three ways that congress can assert its power here. but what congressman schiff is saying is, we went round one with bannon and he wouldn't cooperate, and so the full committee voted to bring him in by subpoena. and now he's dishonoring that subpoena. so schiff is saying, it's time to hold him in contempt. and i think that is the right course of conduct. lewandowski is in another place in the timeline because he hasn't been subpoenaed. so i think what the committee needs to do to show it's serious about this investigation is hold bannon in contempt and subpoena lewandowski for a future appearance and see whether he also resists. >> so kim, a source tells cnn that the president thinks he can handle an interview with robert mueller because of his experience in prior lawsuits.
that source tells cnn he thinks he can work this out. he doesn't realize how high the stakes are. do you think this is part of a negotiation tactic or does he think he can really prevail with this strategy? >> i think your question "does he think" is an important one. probably for a psychologist more than for an attorney, in that to the extent to which he believes that he is innocent and that he's even perhaps in a victim posture, you might want to win the battle by telling what his truth is. i think most defense lawyers would say that's a bad idea for him personally. but maybe there's a silver lining to that strategy for the american public, in that we can actually just get to some kind of resolution and have the president actually participate in this process in a way that brings some transparency and closure, ultimately. >> if the president thinks he can or tries to smooth talk robert mueller, michael, and his team, how do you think that's
going to go? >> if he's truthful, it will go just fine. if it's not truthful, it won't go quite as well for him. mueller is not going to take lightly lying about material matters that he is investigating. so the president has to be sure that he can tell a coherent, truthful narrative. but with respect to whether or not he should or he shouldn't, this is an interesting situation, because i don't think legally there's any way he can in the end not testify. i think the power of the grand jury subpoena under the facts of this case would necessitate his testifying. so if he forces the issue and says i am not going to testify, and mueller issues him a grand jury subpoena and takes him to court, and the court forces him to testify because that's what the law requires, it makes it look much worse than if the president just goes in as bill clinton did, you know, sort of not happily, but purposefully, so that he could try to, you know, put an end to this in the same way that kim said would bring closure to the matter.
>> thank you, michael, thank you, kim, i appreciate your time. the president says i want a parade. so the pentagon is now trying to figure out the logistics from that. will the pushback even from his own party stop it from becoming a reality?
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the white house grappling tonight with news about a top aide facing domestic abuse allegations. sources saying senior officials knew about it and didn't do anything. i want to bring in max boot, a senior fellow at the council on foreign relations and the author of "the the road not taken." max good to have you on. i first want to get your take on the disturbing allegations of dmakz against rob porter, chief of staff john kelly coming to his defense. at one point kelly called porter a man of true integrity. what are your thoughts. >> well this is appalling. but it's part of a pattern with the trump white house which had a lot of questionable characters like steve bannon, sebastian gorka, michael flynn, now rob porter. people who would not pass any kind of muster in any kind of ordinary white house have nevertheless been allowed very close to the center of power in
the united states government. and i think that's ultimately on donald trump and also on the people who work for him, including general kelly. i think that's a disturbing pattern. >> several things i want to talk to you about tonight. on a different topic, and i know you heard about the president -- president trump now wants a military parade, according to the "washington post". the president was inspired by the bastille day parade in france. what do you make of in request, and what's behind it do you think. >> what i make of it is i think we have a president with the mental age of about 8. and he thinks that military gear is really neat. we could save a lot of money because a parade would cost $20 million which the military doesn't want to throw away, truly a waste of money. somebody could save money just buy the president some neat toys and field marshal uniform that he could parade around the white house in. this is like a little boy love
of military gear with no idea of what real war is like, what troops actually do. this is also utterly divorced from american traditions. we certainly celebrate the military and we have parades when soldiers come momi like from the gulf war. but we're not north korea, not the the soviet union. we don't glory in displays of military hardware. our twloer is our constitution, rule of law, free and open society. and unfortunately donald trump is doing great damage to all of those even as he claims to celebrate what makes america great. >> if he really wanted to pay tribute and honor to men and women in uniform fighting for freedoms overseas couldn't he visit a war zone, afghanistan or iraq? >> that would be a great idea. he could also make good on his pledges that he made during the campaign to greatly expand the size of the active duty army, of the navy, air force, because they're too small for the missions they face.
i was at ft. benning, georgia, giving a talk there and meeting with army leaders there. and their viewpoint is the army is vastly overstretched having to deal with in growing russian threat in eastern europe. having to prepare for contingency in the north korean peninsula. they have real issues and not money to throw away on the parade. they could use more support from the president rather than tasked with trifl missions like a parade. >> you wrote an op-ed in the "washington post" which i fine interesting. you said trump is no adolph hit letter and it does a disservice to naziism to make the comparison. he was a more of hugo chavez. not uniquely evil process if he ruled in italy in the 50s or venezuela in the twouss he would undoubtedly be a dictator by now. those are strong words. do you think the president wants to be seen as authoritiarian to
flex muscles on the global stage? >> i think this military parade is part of it. remember a few days ago he was saying democrats were treasonous for not applauding. there is a consistent pattern where he calls the press the enemy of the american people. he calls the judiciary a laughing stock. he makes war on all the norms of american democracy and all the checks and balances on his power, including of course the fbi and justice department. so i think the parade is part and parcel with that. the good news is that trump does not rule in an earlier italy or venezuela or argentina, that he rules in a constitutional republic with a strong tradition of checks and balances. and those balances are keeping him in line to some extent at least. but it's a constant struggle. and you kind of see him wanting to break out and imitate some of the dictators he greatly dmirs lib like putin and xi jinping and erdogan. they have these cheesy military
parades. he wants one of his own. >> that's what senator graham said it's cheesy and shows weakness. thanks max. >> thanks, don. >> when we come back, the resignation of a trump top aide. senior white house officials knew about domestic abuse allegations against rob porter. the white house is pushing back saying porter misled everyone in the west wing. there's a vacation at the end of every week. whatever type of weekender you are, don't let another weekend pass you by. get the lowest price when you book at hilton.com
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comes in mark meadows and xerox may live when he thinks. a follow-up the stories i hear. >> potentially dozens of criminal cases that languished. >> shannon: we will talk to a former dea agent in the middle of investigations. said the obama administration undermining critical task force to target hezbollah as a president pursued a nuclear deal with iran. hello and welcome to "fox news @ night." i'm shannon bream in washington. newsnight: fox news confirming that the justice department is opened a new inquiry into the clinton foundation. fbi agents in little rock, arkansas, taking the lead, focusing on one of the clinton foundation engaged and pay to play politics and other illegal activities while hillary clinton was secretary of state. fox news has also learned investigators are looking into whether the clinton foundation
violated tax laws. also new details tonight on special counsel robert special counsel robert mueller's inquiry into president trump firing a former fbi director. former chief of staff reince priebus has handwritten notes about how president trump called comey to urge him to say he was not under investigation. also went to lengths to prevent jeff sessions from recusing himself. we'll have more with congressman mike meadows, calling on sessions to resign among the growing number of leaks like it appears "the new york times" is gone. more news on the book "fire and fury," featuring explosive statements from steve bannon. bannon talking about running for president himself. and much more. it appears to be too much for his allies. one g.o.p. donor and influencer appears to be breaking with the antiestablishment star of the g.o.p. kevin corke is working late. >> great to be with you. yesterday, the president had
died out. any talk of imitating the clintons are hillary clinton. >> both things can be true. you would know this. we have probably 98, 97 districts, federal district court to the united states. each of them has united states attorney. the one in the eastern district of arkansas has been a hotbed of this kind of stuff for decades. where the clintons have been and where the clintons i'm gone, controversy and scandal has always followed. the u.s. attorney out there is named cody highland, i believe his name is. he's a mike huckabee veteran. he was working for mike huckabee when the clinton machine was trying to take him out as governor. old blood feud stuff. deep down arkansas delta business. what you see is this u.s. attorney's office, this fbi field office has the -- whatever the justice department wants to do our base it has to be
approved in washington, but if this prosecutor out in little rock wants to take good look at with the clintons between what was going on, i don't think there's probably much to stop it. you and you think it goes anywhere? we been told before there's nothing to it. there's no smoke, no fire. >> if you love america and i'm told reliably you do, even though you beat me at trivia today. >> shannon: we are not going to talk about it. too soon. >> still smarting. it's reasonable to want complete answers about what went on with the trump campaign and also complete answers about how the clinton machine, the operation clinton incorporated, how it operated, what he did, what was going on. we remember peter schweizer's book. "the new york times" reported on it, it had a lot of stinky stuff in it. if people thought they were paying for favors from the secretary of state when she was
in office, that something we ought to want to know about and we should be able to hold those two thoughts and our minds concurrently. >> shannon: "the daily beast" is reporting the doj, they have information and are reopening a look into hillary clinton's email heard we've seen and judicial watch reported that they have pressed for information and have uncovered there were more classified information, documents, emails, on anthony weiner's laptop. his wife huma abedin, close confidant of the clintons. sounds like there may be some interesting reopening, whether she mishandled classified information. >> may be, there is a rabbit trail here. this has more thickets around the maybe the other one, these questions been explored. people think james comey did it wrong. people think the fbi did it wrong. we have two or three investigations into the investigation of the investigation. presumably we will get to some clarity on this but that will come as one unit, not some specific pull aside about huma abedin. >> shannon: i want to talk
about the quotes and speculation in the michael wolff book. it's gotten ugly between bannon and the president. they were once very, very tight. although the presidencies to be downplaying that at this point. >> [laughs] accurate. steve and i will classify that as a go far. michael wolff, author of this. he tweets you can buy it and read it tomorrow. threaten us with letters and losses but your drawing more attention to it. in the copy we've gotten, it bannon was telling people something else. he steve bannon was going to run for president in 2020. he talked about the present was negative peach, resigned or barely make it your winter. >> is much as it pains me to spend any of their syllable my life discussing steve bannon's
theses about power, he was talking if trump didn't runner wasn't running, he was going to challenge trump. the bannon stuff here is basically a comeuppance for a guy who over stated, hyped his own game, with the help of the press who loved to make him into this svengali behind trump in controlling trump. there had to be more to it. it could just be red hats and rallies. the need to be some intellectua intellectual, and bannon audition for that part and was granted that by the press and now he goes kablooey. the interesting stuff isn't about steve bannon. it's about how that white house worked in the opening months and what it means about john kelly, what it means about the level of confidence the staff has in the president. i will say, after all the allegations in the book, donald trump needs to give a real interview or hold a real press conference or do something soon to demonstrate to voters that the allegations in this book that he is senile or
incompetent are untrue. he needs to get out and lay those dressed quickly or it will stick. >> shannon: there's always an open invitation for them to come. interview with us on fox news at night. it can happen. we will make it happen. good to see you. you may not have heard but there's good economic news happening. dow jones industrial average hitting its seven 1,000-point milestone closing above 25,000 for the first time. this began after president since president trump took office. a new report says private sector job creation surged, companies they will give workers pay raises. president trump weighing in on twitter saying:
for days and to the new year their showdowns brewing in washington. a battle looming over immigration reform and democrats continue to insist on a daca deal before funding the government. the trump administration opening up new political battle fronts with plans to expand offshore drilling and ramp up enforcement of marijuana laws. >> with a rapid pace of initiatives and controversies, the trump administration is keeping all monikers on their toes while entering the democrats and even a few republicans are down right angry. first off, as you said, legislatively is daca. mr. trump invited a handful of republicans, john cornyn of texas and tom cotton of arkansas and lindsey graham of south carolina show at houston health crafton immigration policy.
>> any legislation on daca must secure the border, the wall, give immigration officers the resources they need to stop illegal immigration and also to stop these overstates and crucially the legislation must end chain migration. >> many democrats say they can't support such an immigration bill, both the house and senate will need some democrat votes before they can get this thing across the finish line. separately today the department of interior announced plans to open up 90% of the u.s. outer continental shelf to oil and gas leases. most of the florida congressional delegation including republicans and other atlantic state lawmakers are deeply opposed, fearing what could happen to tourism if an accident happens. tweeting "the plan is extremely alarming and unacceptable." attorney general jeff sessions rescinding obama euro marijuana enforcement guidelines.
sessions is leaving it up to federal prosecutors and states allow legal pot sales with her to crack down on the trade. advocates who witness the benefits of medical marijuana and states' rights conservatives are livid at this decision. colorado republican senator cory gardner said sessions promised him during his confirmation hearings he would not interfere with these state decisions. >> i believe what happened today was a traveling of colorado's rights, its voters, and that's why i will be putting a hold on everything the nomination from the department of justice. until attorney general jeff sessions loads up to the commitment that he made me and my confirmation, preconfirmation meeting with him. >> sessions it's also catching flak from conservatives on a different issue. mark margo's writing that sessions has no control over the premier law enforcement agency in the world. that the time for a new attorney general is now.
stay on all right. doug mckelway, thank you very much. republicans will control the house of delegates in virginia and they have got the look of the draw to thank for it literally. it all came down to a single contested state host race which had flip-flopped back-and-forth after recount and raider trickle razor-thin margins. a panel refused to hear shelley "night court"'s arguments. that left it in a tie. state board of elections met today to choose the winner. they pulled a name out of a bowl. david yancey was declared the winner after his name was selected. simonds says she is not ruling out seeking another recount. we will hear from congressman mark meadows in a moment on this call for the attorney general to resign. plus president trump's fitness for office. according to political, lawmakers talk to a psychiatrist who claims he's falling apart.
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listen to this clip from a segment about business in seattle. >> 2018 brought to golden state in line with other west coast dates for marijuana retail shops and products. the even playing field may expand the number who want to buy but could undercut any attempt to make seattle a special destination for pot tourism. an add-on rather than a main attraction. >> a lot of the participants want a count of his tour of some sort to be part of their seattle visit. >> shannon: now i multiple state options. a diverse group of critics worried about so-called marijuana normalization. they are praising sessions for allowing the feds to enforce federal law despite states who decided to do their own thing. former obama administration drug
policy advisors has doj's move will stop the massive infusion of money going to fund pot candy, cookies, ice creams, and other kid friendly edibles. a mom who lost her daughter to a driver high on pot says marijuana is seen as benign all too often. i hope those days are over. former democrat congressman says the memo had been waved around by pot executives for years. searching for legitimacy among investors and banks. it's time to put public health over profits. the public seems divided. states' rights versus doing what they believed to be the right thing. joining us now, mark meadows. we have many things to talk to you about tonight. we'll start here. gray to have you with us. what you make of this? i want to read it more of a statement we got from senator gardner's office. optical reports that the justice department will rescind their current policy on legal marijuana enforcement are extremely alarming. in 2016, president trump said marijuana legalization should be
left up to the states and i agree." what do you think? think of here's what we have inl law. this president has been consistent. he said if there's along the books, let's make sure we do it. just like we are having to deal with daca because we had president obama overreaching on the deferred action, he says it's time for congress to act. i think on this one it really is for congress to rescind the federal law, not an executive agency. cory is a good friend and i understand he is representing his state but there comes a point where you allow states to affect federal policy and set of the other way around, and i think that's troubling. i support attorney general sessions in this move. it really takes effect of congress. now is the time for us to act. if we want to address this issue. >> shannon: other criticisms you have of the attorney genera
attorney general. jim jordan, you wrote a piece and say you are tired of leaks happening. no evidence of collusion in it are leaks all the time from places like "the new york times." we have another piece out tonight where they cite multiple anonymous sources with all kinds of of inside information from the mueller investigation from people either in the white house are briefed on things that happen at the white house. you say it's time for the leaks to stop. if sessions can't address it, there's one final question. one of the time for a new attorney general? sadly it seems the answer is no now. >> no one has lost their job yet. the fbi and doj leak more than a 60-year-old boat. we have more leaks coming out every day. critical importing that we address it but not just that. the attorney general needs to do his job. when he recused himself, where it is his recusal start and sto
stop? there's a big frustration on capitol hill. we have investigated this russian collusion for 16 months. there is no collusion. there is no evidence of collusion and yet here we are in a situation where we know that leaks are happening. we know based on these reports that he have used a dossier in an inappropriate manner. yet we can't get the very documents to have proper oversight. we are tired of stonewalling. i talked to chairman nunes this evening. he's going to get some documents tomorrow. that's a good step in the right direction. but we have seen this before. listen, i've been an oversight for over five years. what happens is they promise you they are going to get it to you. they give it to fully redacted so a page of just blacked out lines. it's time that we get to the bottom of this and it's time that we hold the fbi and doj accountable to the standard they
should be held accountable. >> shannon: we have talked about this. do you think it's a "deep state" problem. are there people in the administration, opponents of the president, who are keeping you from getting the information ine congress is legally entitled to? >> we don't have to look much further than the text messages between peter strzok and lisa page to see some type of bias. whether that carries over into the investigation, we need to look at all the text messages. we need to fully look at that. in my conversations with others, are there people within the higher ranks of doj and the fbi that certainly are not wanting to come forward with some of this information? i believe that's the case. i'm not a conspiracy guy. at the same time, give us the documents. we requested some 15,000 pages of documents. >> shannon: the obstruction, stonewalling, leaks, are you calling on the attorney general to resign? >> i'm calling on him to do his
job. if you will do his job immediately and right away and quit making excuses, you had part of the lead up to this, you had attorney general session saying well, it's not time for special prosecutor. when we see the text messages and emails we've already visited, there seems to be some at least appearance of impropriety. it's time that we actually get to the bottom of it and so he's got a very short fuse from my standpoint. if he can do his job, more power to him. we welcome the information. >> shannon: congressman mark meadows. great to have you. lawmakers questioning president trump's mental health. we're going to tell you what one psychiatrist had to say. president trump street blame for unrest in iran? vice president pence says europe and the u.n. are not doing enough to help people there. stay tuned. former u.n. ambassador
john bolton joins us.
>> when dr. bandy lee finished up more than six teen hours of private meetings, she apparently convinced some it was time to invoke the 25th amendment saying the president was mentally unfit to fulfill the duties of the office. she indicated that getting republicans to sign on would be trickier. dr. lee acknowledges it's unethical for a psychiatrist to diagnose from afar but she believes it's her duty to warn the public about their leaders psychological instability which is why she and 26 of her liberal colleagues wrote the book "the dangerous case of donald trump." the president is compared to an american hitler, showing signs of impulsivity, recklessness and paranoia. here is dr. lee. >> when silence contributes harm to the public health, we have a duty to speak out.
and the duty to warn and the duty to protect is pervasive in our practice. >> not all mental health experts feel that same sense of duty. in fact some say the dangerous case of donald trump is nothing but in fatuous, tawdry tabloid psychiatry. fox's doctor says it's highly unlikely that you are -- saying dr. bandy lee is either an opportunist or a fool. he makes it clear he is not diagnosed her. should be noted the stock market hates uncertainty and instability. today the dow crossed 25,000. >> shannon: it did. joining me now, townhall.com
columnist and radio host derek hunter and leslie leslie marsh. assuming we are mentally healthy enough to have this debate, i want to talk more about this. bandy lee admits she has not met the president. she says "we feel that the russia tweeting is an indication of his falling apart under stress. trump is going to get worse and will become uncontainable within the pressures of the presidency." derek, seems like he's been the same guy we've seen. we've known. ration bold and off-the-cuff. do you think he's changed? >> no. i have been a fan of the apprentice since the apprentice. it's a weird thing and washington, d.c., that no one speaks their mind. i have to give her credit for her willingness to violate the ethics of her profession in
order to sell books. i think a book could be written about the violation of ethics for her profession. spewing she came here in brief people over a two-day period about what would happen. there's been a discussion about the 25th amendment that provides a way for the vice president in the cabinet members to step in if they think the president is unable, incapacitated. to that discussion, alan dershowitz who has not been a conservative ever, says this "the 25th amount would require a major psychotic break. this is hope of reality. if we don't like someone's politics, vote against them. we don't use the system. >> i think it's dangerous to sound like you're making a diagnosis when you haven't actually seen a patient in any area of medicine.
i think it's important for the american people to be aware of what's going on with their leader. it's important for this or any leader to have proper medical treatment. for congress to be briefed by somebody who hasn't seen him, to me is not ethical and quite frankly even know i'm a democrat. i've set up before. you've heard me. this is not how the removal of donald trump happens. this is not how it's going to come about because you don't have the vice president. you don't have the cabinet, the republicans. even the one republican that sat down for the meeting. i think this is a waste of time because this individual has not seen him. having said that though he has some tweets that are very similar to north korea leader who many people think is a wing not. he needs to stop some of that behavior. >> can we talk about -- >> shannon: we know he's not
going to change his behavior. any -- she's not going to change his behavior. he feels like by using twitter, that's why he won. the left knowing it's highly improbable that any this could happen, the 25th amendment et cetera, do you think it's making them feel better to talk about. >> this is further based. you have members coming out and talking about how the president seems unhinged from afar through somatic admits they are violating the ethics of their profession. it really is scared to go crazy, advocating for policies that have failed the world over. the u.k., their national health system, they have canceled nonemergency procedures because their system can't handle it. many members met with dr. lee who had vacates to bring that sort of system here. i would take 180 characters and crazy over a nationwide policy
over 16 of the u.s. economy. >> shannon: leslie, what do you make of derek's assessment that a lot of people just aren't used to plain spoken, straight talking people in d.c. everybody here is a spin doctor. this precedent doesn't do that. is it such a shock? >> no. but i do think that one individual talks about the ability to start a nuclear war which could kill millions of people .. >> if somebody threatens on twitter that my button is bigger than yours and i can press it and it's right here, ts dangerous talk when you are dealing with a very dangerous and unstable leader overseas like we have in kim jong un. that's the type of behavior i think people on my side of the aisle question the stability of with regard to the president. >> shannon: we've got to leave it there. derek and leslie, we will close
this out. thank you both very much. as the death toll rises in iran, president trump's tweets are being blamed for the unrest in the streets of tehran and other cities. north korea testing more missiles. we will tell you where to get the latest reaction from john bolton. ..
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nikki haley requesting a security council meeting on iran. former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. john bolton joins us. this meeting ambassador haley called for. >> it's important to continue the discussion about why the people of iran are rising against the regime. i think that's quite significant. i don't expect any substantive action out of the u.n. i think russia and china will block any meaningful new sanctions. honestly i have to say that our friends in europe haven't exactly stood up on this issue. the discussion will go ahead but i don't see anything coming out of it. >> shannon: the vice president said "the united states has spoken clearly and unequivocall unequivocally. unfortunately many of our european partners as well as the united nations have thus far failed to forcefully speak out on the growing crisis in iran. it's time for them to stand up." who are recalling out?
>> the european union. germany for, france, great britain unfortunately partners in the deal with iran on the nuclear question. it shows the iranian strategy, the obama strategy work. they sucked us into being able to trade and invest with iran. europe sees the possibility of profits. they are blind to what's happening in the streets of iran. i didn't write that article for mike pence but i wish i had because it's exactly the right point to make. >> shannon: what about pakistan? we got word today from the state apartment we are going to freezing substantial security students we get to that country. a lot of talk talk from this administer ration about the fact that they haven't been reliable partners in the fight against terrorism. >> i remember george bush after 9/11, what he said with respect to terrorism. you are either with us or against us. people said it's terrible. you shouldn't hold nations to account. i think it was the right thing to say then and i think
president trump is really going back to that. freezing this assistance i think he is incredibly important to signal to pakistan. we have to remember that in this unstable political environment, civilian government not being all that strong, military in pakistan increasingly infiltrated by radicals. they are a nuclear weapon state. if you push them all the way over to the other side, you risk having those nuclear weapons being dispersed to terrorists who could take them anywhere in the world. that's something we've got to focus on as well. leaning on pakistan, it's about time. >> shannon: looking back on the last demonstration. we are getting confirmation that there's an investigation looking into the clinton foundation, whether there was pay to play, favors done for countries and any connection with bill or hillary clinton. >> i think these questions need to be answered. i am very disturbed. as a justice department alumnus myself, disturbed by the politicization of law enforcement, intelligence.
investigations cut off that should've been allowed to go forward. i believe this investigation which is being conducted by the u.s. attorney's office for arkansas is exactly the right way to do it. you don't need a special counsel. this, i trust the career prosecutors and i think we ought to let it go ahead. there's so many things about the foundation that look like tammany hall. let's see what it looks like. >> shannon: all right, ambassador. great to have your thoughts. massive snowstorm following the east coast from blizzard conditions and bitter winds to coastal flooding in some parts. a bomb cyclone update coming our way. first, next was of interview with a former senior d.a. official at the heart of politico's report that the obama investigation derailed investigation into hezbollah's drug
>> shannon: a bombshell report by politico alleging the obama administration interfered with the federal investigation into how iran backed chair groups hezbollah turn profits on illegal drugs and weapons trafficking. according to the report the previous administration didn't want anything to get in a way of a nuclear deal with tehran. you remember we spoke with the investigative reporter who broke the story. >> federal investigators were watching in gathering evidence of hezbollah sort of transforming itself from a political power and terrorist organization to one that was trafficking in drugs. they were doing it to raise money to help rebuild after the israel war and help in expansion they were doing globally. they gathered evidence, designated a couple dozen super facilitators as people that were connected by this conspiracy but when they tried to delve deeply into the people, they got shot
down. >> shannon: we are bringing you an interview with the former special agent in charge of the dea special operations division quoted extensively in the political report. great to have you with us. i want to read a little bit of what he said. you said there's no doubt my mind now that the focus was the iran deal and our initiative was kind of like a fly the soup. we were like the train that went off the track. at what point did you realize all this until you've you gathered about the millions that hezbollah was laundering even through this country and around the globe, wasn't going to be prosecuted. >> i found it very odd fit in our backyards all over america they were sending used cars back into west africa to sell and the profits of these used cars and drug trafficking money was going to support hezbollah. i found it kind of odd that we didn't have unity of effort to shut it down. i found it odd we didn't have leadership in the administration that would enforce and hold people accountable to bring the
agencies to gather to ensure that we can protect the american public. >> shannon: you were in a meeting with attorney general eric holder who seemed to be interested in this. you were told there would be a follow-up, they would be getting back to you. what happened? >> eric holder was very supportive of the special operations division. i was fortunate to be in charge of that for almost ten years at a most every operation he approved and was supportive. in this particular case, we proved eric holder. he was alarmed by the findings of this particular investigatio investigation. the magnitude of money and drugs moving around the world. eric holder was pretty serious about having follow-up meetings with national security team members and the briefing never happen. it was very strange for me sitting there listening to the attorney general of the united states directing his people to have a meeting to get more information from the dea and our interagency partners about this global trade based money laundering scheme and they weren't interested.
>> shannon: in the meantime the administration is working on a deal with iran over its nukes. josh meyer, who did the political piece, came to this idea that it's possible that's what this is all about. they didn't want to go heavy on hezbollah because they wanted to get the nuke deal done. is that your impression? >> look, i don't have any information on what was going on behind the scenes on the oral new deal. honestly from my perspective you have this magnitude of money and drugs moving through our country and the banks, that should've been something our government enforced full accountability on all the agencies. it didn't happen. we had significant successes. we had tremendous response from the u.s. attorney's office and southern district of new york. we did a $400 million civil seizure on the bank and 30 businesses. we put 30 businesses in this action but there were hundreds
of businesses still operating today. cars going to west africa, car parks are lined up and they are booming. "the wall street journal" article at the end of 2016 talked about how the car parks are exploding all over west africa. they are coming from our backyards. >> shannon: you are saying this is how the money is being laundered. >> it is being laundered. they are supporting hezbollah. they are buying weapons. criminals, terrorists are turning to criminal networks for funding. state sponsorship is down. they need funding to operate, to corrupt government officials. drug trafficking and other criminal activities helping generate hundreds of millions of dollars. the u.n. estimated drug trafficking a few years ago was generating $400 billion a year on the world. terrorists are taking advantage of this opportunity financially. they need the money to operate. >> shannon: i want to let you to reply to a couple obama
administration officials who had -- shot down. she used to be at the state department. we will play her. marie harf. >> the politico stories just false. there is no evidence in the story to backup the allegations. they quote a couple low-level ideological sources who clearly don't like the iran deal. >> low-level sources? i was head of the special operations division for over ten years. 30 agencies, three countries, the nypd. that lady didn't work on the operations. she worked as a bureaucrat in washington talking about policy and stuff, but she wasn't involved day today in the operations. she didn't see what we saw every day on the streets of america and in europe, west africa, and so i have a problem with her referring to the low level sources. the folks that spoke about the story were intricately involved in every aspect of the case.
as a matter of fact, david asher was the expert in the first action against north korea and helped us put together the patriot act in this case to shutdown the international trade based money laundering scheme. >> shannon: thank you for all of your work. thank you for coming in. >> i would just like to say that this particular photo right here is why we were trying to shut this scheme down. >> shannon: we both tweeted out so people know what you won't see these folks at the post office. they have businesses to run. they have passions to pursue. how do they avoid trips to the post office? stamps.com mail letters, ship packages, all the services of the post office right on your computer. get a 4 week trial, plus $100 in extras including postage and a digital scale.
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strucktive and cooperative engagement with russia. as we know when the united states and russia are working together and getting along it's good for the world and it's good for peace. so it's an opportunity again for the two world leaders to come together and talk about a variety of topics. >> you know, mercedes, it is amazing. there is so much to talk about. we can do it with the positive news for an hour. with what has happened with north korea now meeting with putin, the supreme court justice. i mean the president is on a roll. mercedes schlapp so good to see you again. thank you so much. >> he is. >> all right. and while the trump agenda saw a lot of progress this week, the deep state continued to collapse and deputy a.g. rod rosenstein was in the hot seat. take a look at this. >> why are you keeping information from congress? >> i am not keeping any information from congress. >> i want to know why you won't give us what we've asked for. >> sir, i certainly hope your colleagues are not under that impression. that is not accurate, sir. >> it is accurate. we have caught you hiding
information. >> mr. chairman -- >> you wrote the memo saying that comey should be fired and you signed the fisa extension for carter paige. it seems like you should be recused more than jeff sessions. >> i can say if it were appropriate for me to recuse i would be more than happy to do this and let someone else handle this. >> did you not know that bruce orr was meeting with christopher steel, getting the information about the dossier and supplying that information to the f.b.i. at the same time his wife nelly was working for fusion g.p.s. and helping hillary clinton? did you not know he was doing that for the f.b.i.? >> whatever you got, finish it the hell up. this country is being torn apart. >> joining us now are two of the men you just saw. florida congressman and gubernatorial candidate ron desantis. and texas congressman louie
gohmert. it's good to have you here. i'll start with you, representative ron desantis. was our favorite guy rod rosenstein -- i got to tell you. i watched that, congressman. i was so frustrated with the smirking and the don't attack me personally and the taking the time to run the clock. is he keeping information from congress? >> judge, this is really concerning. yes, they are keeping information from congress. but it's not just a normal stonewall. what they are saying is peter strozk open asthmasive counterintelligence information about trump's campaign. we know it was colored with bias and we know the problems. trying to get the details about it, rosenstein says i can't talk about it. it's classified and sensitive. peter strozk wednesday for the deposition he wouldn't answer most of the questions because it's classified. so they unleash the counterintelligence powers of the government.
now they are using that, the sensitivity of that as a shield to protect them from congressional oversight. that is wrong. >> it's clearly wrong. congressman gohmert, you think that knows guys are actually listen in on your office? >> well, i don't know about listening in but i've been told they are keeping an eye on me. the thing is, though, i mean look at what they do. they have a history and especially mueller and weissman. they work together on the russia investigation where they are trying to get uranium illegally which they have done. so, that was also under the jurisdiction of a guy named "rosenstein." rosenstein, mueller, comey, weisman are joined together in so much of this stuff. it's incredible. judge, you have seen people lie. i can't say what all strozk said. but during the hours i was
watching, you know, you would see them say things that he knew he was lying. he knew you knew he was lying. >> interesting. >> yet he was so cool about the way he would say it. i was sitting there going golly, he is so good about lying. then i realize, you know what? he's been doing that forever to his wife. he has got this lying with the proper emotion down pat. all those times he probably lied to his wife about lisa page. this guy is really good about what he does. and then rosenstein to sit there and say he didn't know what the guy in the office two doors down who worked directly for him. he says he was not working on the russia investigation. oh, i didn't know he was the one that got the information from christopher steel for the f.b.i. wow! how about that?" i mean holy cow. >> you know what, congressman gohmert, i share your frustration. but congressman desantis, i will ask you this. the american people understand
what is going on. you look at this guy rod rosenstein. he is so knee-deep in the swamp it's pathetic. he is the one who said that comey should be fired. he is the one that convinced sessions he should recuse himself. he is basically now running the department of justice. he says he doesn't know anything and he is not dragging his feet on the production of records that congress want. but the american people instinctively understood this because they elected an outsider to be president. so here is the question that they have. what are you going to do about it? i don't want to hear it's the conscience of the senate, or the congress. we want you to hand it over. what are you guys going to do about this? when are we going to see justice? >> well, you have to impose a sanction for noncompliance. i have been saying we should have done that months ago, judge, because we have been doing this dance back and forth. >> right. >> it's counterproductive. it wastes time. i don't know, though, so that is what i would like to do personally. i do have other colleagues who would. i don't know whether we have a majority of the congress who would support that at this
juncture. i hope we do. but ultimately you would need to vote it out through whole body. i think that is absolutely appropriate. if you don't do a sanction, then they will keep stonewalling. >> of course they'll stonewall. these are the same people who said to you there were no e-mails between the f.b.i. and the department of justice on the meeting on the tarmac between loretta lynch and bill clinton. c'mon, they have been lying from the get-go on this whole thing. but i'm going to go back to you congress -- >> let me interject. it's all going to be a question of how strong our leadership is. when boehner was speaker, he would not let us go after coskanin. the guy lied. it was just all kind of offenses were committed. loretta lynch, there were problems there but you had the i.r.s. knee-deep in lies and fraudulent conduct. he wouldn't let us do anything. but if you remember trey finally got the assurance, and that is why he went on sunday shows previous, two weeks ago
who said we are going to have a vote this week if he doesn't produce this week. and we didn't have a vote that week because it got pulled back yet again. >> by whom? by whom? >> the leadership -- >> give me a name. stop saying, "leadership." give me a name. >> well, they're elected. they're not leaders but they have been elected and they have prevented us from keeping these guys or making them -- >> congressman, give me a name. who are we talking about? paul ryan? who are we talking about? >> that is where the buck stops. yes. >> thank you very much. congressman desantis, you were great last night. congressman, louie gohmert, thank you for being with us. all right. joining us now with more is fox news contributor charlie hurt, the author of the new book "the russia hoax: the illicit scheme to clear hillary clinton and frame donald trump." fox news legal analyst gregg jarrett and fox news contributor juddd schone. i'm fired up. i can't stand it when people
lie. you can do a lot of things but don't lie to me. charlie, i'll start with you. what we have got here is we have got, you just heard two congressmen. what they say is you know what? leadership isn't letting us do what we've got to do. what do they have to do? american people are frustrated. that is why they elected donald trump. what needs to happen now? >> it's just beyond frustrating. when you sit there and you look at a guy like rod rosenstein who i think should be impeached, should be fired, frankly. to look at a guy like that whose only objective in coming before congress is somehow sticking up for covering up trying to protect the institution of the f.b.i., that is not what we are worried about here. what we are talking about is that the f.b.i. was weaponized and turned into a political weapon and went after a political opponent at the height of a presidential campaign. these are very, very important
constitutional issues that congress has ever right and every responsibility to get to the bottom of. >> they are not doing it. >> and to have these people -- and they are not doing it. and to have the people stonewalling only means that congress should work twice as hard to get that information. >> okay. that tells me, doug, they are the swamp, too. >> absolutely. i have a dirty little secret to reveal. the reason the republicans are lagging in the polls -- they are coming up now -- is the republican leadership, the least popular people in america are paul ryan, retiring. and mitch mcconnell. that is donald trump and that is the republican party's problem and a great benefit for democratic party. >> what is interesting is mitch mcconnell with the selection of the supreme court justice, his numbers and his stock is going to go up a little bit. i think. >> but you don't hear him on this issue, do you, judge? >> no, you don't hear him on this issue. that is why i'm going to gregg jarrett to talk about -- i
could say how frustrated were you but we all were. but look, when you have got this rod rosenstein, i, like you, was all teed up to get some answers. he smiled, he smirked. he said you are not attacking me personally, are you? i am attacking you personally. what is your take on this whole thing? >> he was untruthful yesterday. he denied he threatened staff members on the intel committee. i talked to two of them. they used that very word. "we were threatened by him. he threatened to subpoena our e-mails, our phone records and our texts." he was also untruthful when he said that he was not withholding documents from the committee. his own letters reveal he is concealing evidence and withholding documents. why is why he has been given until -- that is why he has been given until july 6 or turn them over. i think the president should order him in writing to comply. and if he doesn't comply he should be fired.
>> all right. let's continue with that. i will go to you, charlie. if the president were to order rod rosenstein to comply, and rosenstein doesn't, then who impeaches rosenstein? would the president fire rosenstein? does he need another james comey scenario all over again? >> well, my goodness, judge, who does this guy think he works for? he ultimately works for the president. he ultimately works for the american people. if the president wants to can him, he can. he works for the president. and the fact that he is sitting in that committee hearing pointing as the members of congress two are doing their job, trying to do their job, which isover sight of the administration, oversight of a position they confirmed the position for him to hold, the idea he will sit there and point the finger at him. and gregg is right. the astonishing things or the threats that have come from him.
but even before the threats made to staffers, he accused -- he said that -- he had some comment about how he will not be bribed into giving over information. basically accusing members of congress of trying to bribe him. >> guys, i'm running out of time. congress is a coequal branch of government. this guy is so arrogant and condescending. should he be impeached? >> yes. >> it will become a constitutional crisis -- >> if the president does fire him. >> yes. that is what he is banking on. >> that is what is rosenstein banking on? >> correct. >> what should happen? >> you cannot deny a lawful subpoena from congress. that is grounds for being fired. it should be done if he continues to obstruct. >> it will never happen. >> let's do it now. >> i'm with you. thanks, guys. >> thank you. >> coming up on this special edition of "hannity." hillary clinton is the latest democrat endorsing incivility on the left. governor mike huckabee sanders
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freely and without fear of harm. this goes for all people regardless of politics. >> three huge guys came up and started probably an inch from my face screaming at me every word in the book. cursing as loud as they could. so then a trooper, my trooper came up. and my boyfriend and i got our tickets. we were headed in. and then they ran in and circled me where i could not get into the theater. they stopped me. >> homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen is in a mexican restaurant of all places. the [bleep] gall. shame on you! shame! shame! shame! shame! shame! shame! shame! shame! fascist pig! >> jeanine: on tuesday, a group of protesters in georgetown harassed senate majority leader mitch mcconnell and his wife norm
elaine chow who serves as the secretary of education. when hillary clinton was asked about the calls, she responded, "oh, give me a break." but the let's rhetoric is not only targeted on republicans in leadership positions. take a look at the calls from the left to get rid of i.c.e. >> i think there is no question that we've got to critically re-examine i.c.e. and its role and the way that it is being administered and the work it is doing and probably think about starting from scratch. >> i think we need to abolish i.c.e. that seems really clear. they have strayed so far from the interest of the american people and the interest of humanity. we need to abolish it. >> eliminating i.c.e. for instance. >> yeah. yes. >> i.c.e. isn't doing what it was created to do. it's being used as his own personal police force.
and in those actions it's actually making us less safe. >> i don't think i.c.e. today is working as intended. >> you think you should get rid of the agency? >> i believe that it has become a deportation force. and i think you should separate the criminal justice from the immigration issues and reimagine i.c.e. >> jeanine: joining me now with reaction, mike huckabee, fox news contributor. good evening, governor. now i can't imagine as a father what it's like watching your daughter stand at that podium and talk about her being harassed out of a restaurant because she works for our president, and, you know, a man who is both a friend of yours and obviously someone she admires a great deal. give us your reaction. >> well, it's very frustrating to see that the owner of a restaurant that only bullied my daughter and threw her out of the restaurant but showed a level of bigotry.
if you are going to be that bigoted, put a sign on your restaurant that says, "no shirt, no shoes, no republicans, no service." i mean at least be honest about it. and say to people we don't want your business. we don't want the likes of you at our lunch counter. you can't even sit in the back of the bus. that is pretty sad in that country. i think sarah handled it with dignity and class. probably more than her old man would have done. >> jeanine: and then, you know, she, of course, is someone that all of us have a great deal of respect for. and she called herself as has done the president for civility. and then good old hillary who i thought was still in the woods comes out again and says, you know, forget about that. "give me a break." what is your take of hillary clinton's basic rejection as civility as a way to approach this problem? >> not a surprise coming from the president who called the trump voters "a basket of
deplorables." it's clear she has not gotten over the loss. but here is what is even clear. this november americans will make a very significant decision as to whether they want to elect the democrats who want to get rid of i.c.e. and open the borders and treat people who come here illegally with great level of open arms, regardless of their criminal background. and everybody let them vote, for heaven's sake. do we want a party that lets illegal aliens be treated better than we do citizens simply going out to eat or going to a movie? that is the america that people will choose. do you want the civil one where you get to go to a restaurant or the one where you don't unless you are an illegal and then, of course, come on in and we won't arrest you. because we're getting rid of the police force. the very people who try to keep these folks out. >> jeanine: i must tell you, governor, when i first heard the woman running for governor from "sex in the city" cynthia nixon we should get rilled of
ice -- get rid of i.c.e. i thought well, that goes to show you someone never in government before. but then they all started taking on the mantra and i had to say what is happening in the united states of america? >> well, it's obvious that this is a script. all the democrats are required to read it. i think they have to memorize it. it's like lines in a play. and they are all supposed to audition for it. but it's getting really ridiculous when this is their message to the american voter. let's get rid of any scrutiny of the people two break in country without any form of identification. who do not come through the legal process. judge, we are a nation of immigrants. we love and welcome immigrants in this nation. >> jeanine: of course we are. >> all of us have come here from somewhere. but my gosh, we did have to do it legally. what these folks are saying no borders, non-whatsoever. i can't go to -- none whatsoever. i can't go to any country in world and just walk on in. why should someone be allowed to come in america like that? i have no idea.
>> jeanine: it's a turning point in this country. as you say, the 2018 elections are so incredibly important. anyway, governor mike huckabee, so good to have you on this evening. >> thanks. always a pleasure, judge. >> jeanine: all right. and still to come on this special edition of "hannity," democrats in the media are completely losing it over justice anthony kennedy's retirement from the united states supreme court. and by the way don't forget to buy a copy of my book on amazon or barnes & nobles. "liars, leaders and liberals: the case against the conspiracy." more after the break. that's why she wears dr. scholl's orthotics. they're clinically proven to relieve pain and give you the comfort to move more. dr. scholl's, born to move.
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look at this. >> regardless of what happens in his presidency now, donald trump will leave a mark on this country for decades to come. yeah. it's like it's not going to go away. he is giving america judicial herpes. >> if you are lgbtq, if you are a person of color, if you are a woman -- if you are not a straight white male in america you are probably freaking out. >> we are looking at the destruction of the constitution of the united states. >> we are screwed for generations. >> clean air and water that you use and breathe is at stake. >> we are looking down the tunnel of potentially criminal liability for women seeking to make decisions about their own bodies. it's time for democrats to throw down. we have been playing by the rule book. and donald trump and republicans have been playing by street rules. we need to play by street rules. >> don't allow a vote on this, don't have a hearing, don't have a meeting, don't let anything go forward. don't play ball with this
decision. >> jeanine: fox news is reporting that president trump is set to interview candidates this weekend and will announce a final decision on monday july 9. the president sat down with fox business maria to discuss major questions he might have for nominees and her interview will air sunday at 10:00 a.m. here is a preview. >> reporter: are you going to ask your nominees beforehand how they might vote on roe v. wade? >> president trump: well, that is a big one. probably not. they are all saying don't do that. you don't do that. you shouldn't do that. but i'm putting conservative people on. and i'm very proud of neil gorsuch. he has been outstanding. his opinions are, you know, so well written. so brilliant. and i'm going to try and do something like that. but i don't think i'm going to be so specific. >> jeanine: joining me now with reaction, former obama economic adviser austan goolsbee. and fox news contributors deroy murdoch and robert
jeffress. i'll start with you, pastor. right now, the right, of course, is looking for the president to appoint someone who is pro life. the president has indicated in the preview that he is not going to ask that direct question. what do you think the president is going to ask as it relates to whether or not a person is pro-life? >> well, the president is exactly right not to ask a specific question about roe v. wade. and judge, he doesn't need to. here is why. it's the philosophy of this justice that really counts. you know for the last 50 years the only way liberals have been able to enact their agenda is through the judiciary having justices who create imaginary rights for some americans while at the same time erasing the real rights of other americans. there is no right to abortion. that is nowhere in the constitution. be -- but there is a right to life to erase for 50 million
children butchered in the wome since 1973 roe v. wade. if the president and i know he will, appoint a conservative justice with a conservative philosophy, roe v. wade and the other atrocities from the jew dish jare will take care -- judiciary will take care of themselves. >> jeanine: austan goolsbee, i assume you will have the opposite opinion. but isn't the president almost required to suggest someone who is an originalists, a constitutionalists? i think we can all agree that justices are not supposed to write the law. they are supposed to interpret precedent. >> yeah, look. i can see why the democrats that you showed on the clip are as agitated as they are. justice kennedy is really quite a centrist justice. he is kind of the deciding vote on a lot of these cases. >> jeanine: right. right. >> by most indicators, we don't know who -- i see your name rumored, judge jeanine, so i'm not going to ask if
you're going to interview. but it depends a great deal on who he replaces justice kennedy with. by most indications it looks like somebody is going to be quite a radical departure from what justice kennedy was. and if they do that, i don't want to get in an argument about the issue of abortion. it's a very emotional issue. just the polls indicate that more than two-third of america do not want to overturn roe v. wade at this point. >> jeanine: okay. all right. deroy -- >> if you put in a justice that does that, we'll have problems. >> jeanine: i don't know if we'll have problems. deroy, is there a requirement because kennedy is very often the swing vote, that the president is required to nominate someone like kennedy? he can nominate anyone he wants. >> he can nominate anybody. he could nominate a very left wing judge if he wanted, a right wing judge or a centrist. i assume he will pick somebody off the list he publicized. the original 21 but up to 25
judges. which has been vetted by the federalist society and heritage foundation. most of the names were out there before he was elected so people knew what they would get. he has been transparent about putting the names forward. people have had basically a year and a half to look into them and the backgrounds and the judicial outlook and so forth. >> jeanine: i'll ask you this, pastor jeffress. then i want to go back to austan again. look, the truth is that the judges who are up to be a justice, i mean if they have too many decisions that are controversial, i mean that is going to cause, you know, uprising. but if they don't have a lot of controversial decisions, then on the other hand they are going to be conservatives who will say well, maybe they are not conservative enough. what we have is murkowski and collins who are votes that we need, the republican senators who are both pro-choice.
how does the president balance that to get the 50 republicans he needs? pence will be there if there is a tie. >> you know, judge, not long ago the president asked me why i thought he had a 75% approval rating with evangelicals. i said it's very simple. you are delivering on your promise to put conservatives on all of the courts. judge, the president knows this. this is what he ran on. and i'll have to tell you. if we were dealing with a president bush, either one of them, or heaven forbid, president romney i'd be nervous tonight that the president would waffle and give in to the democrats and the liberal republicans but this president has the guts to deliver on his promise. and i believe he will do it. >> jeanine: clearly he does. i don't think there is anyone at this point who would say that president trump doesn't have guts. i mean, but let me go to austan now. you know that there are democratic senators, heidi
heitkamp, as well as manchin. they are in red states. they are democrats. what happens to them if they vote for a conservative nominee in a state that is overwhelmingly red? >> what happens among their voters? >> jeanine: yes. >> in congress? >> jeanine: do they get elected? >> you know, i don't know. you are quite right. they are in tough races. you know, i would be remiss not to remind everyone that the democrats were in office and they had the longest filibuster and held up the proposed justice merrick garland. so you can see why the democrats are feeling like this was a power play that was not justified. i think that the democrats in red states that are in tough races, it's going to matter a lot to them who gets nominated as a candidate. >> jeanine: it will be a conservative. we all know that. >> is it someone reasonable or does it seem extreme? >> jeanine: it will be a
conservative. they are not happy. if they are not happy, people going in restaurants you can be sure they won't be happy with the president's nominee. thank you, gentlemen. >> thank you. >> jeanine: coming up, daniel hoffman and sebastian gorka on president trump's upcoming summit with russian president vladimir putin as this special edition of "hannity" continues.
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ongoing situations in syria and ukraine, election meddling and the deescalation of tensions with russia and china. president trump's national security adviser, ambassador john bolton was in moscow earlier this week meeting with putin and their other russian officials to help prepare for the summit. he also addressed critics who believe the meeting shouldn't happen due to the ongoing russia probe taking place here in the united states. take a look. >> well, i think a lot of people have said or implied over time that a meeting between president trump and president putin would somehow prove some nexus between the trump campaign and the kremlin, which is complete nonsense. but i don't think that has been helpful. the fact is that it is important for the leaders of the two countries to meet. there are a wide range of issues despite the differences between us where both
president trump and president putin think they may be able to find constructive solutions. i would like to see someone say that is a bad idea. >> jeanine: joining us with reaction, contributor daniel hoffman. former contributor to president trump and strategist sebastian gorka. good evening, gentlemen. dan, i'm going to start with you. you know what is fascinating to me is that, you know, since john bolton has been secretary of state, i mean we have had a meeting with kim jong un. we now have a meeting lined up in two weeks with putin. it is just amazing, is it not, that we have been able to have these sit-downs when the last administration didn't know how to meet with anybody like putin or kim jong un. >> ambassador bolton is absolutely right about the importance of high-level diplomacy. i would caution just from my
experience at the c.i.a. about managing our expectations. we have an extraordinarily complex and challenging relationship with russia where few of our interests intersect. we also have this background of russian's nefarious espionage investigations. which ambassador bolton called "an act of war." we will talk about the important issues of the day. including the arms control. the start streety is due to ex -- treaty is due to expire. there is ukraine and syria. not to mention traditional issues of counterterrorism, proliferation and fighting organized crime together. >> jeanine: sebastian gorka, let's talk about ukraine that barack obama did nothing about. what leverage do we have with russia to be able to get them to forget about coming to the table, they are already at the
table but how do we level them? >> well, russia is in a world of hurt right now. if you look at every single significant policy decision that the president has taken in the last year and a half, judge, which has any impact on russia, they are been hurt. whether it is unleashing fracking in the anwar, whether it's getting the nato nations finally to pay 2% of the defense budget or whether it's arming the ukrainians, we have a lot of leverage. this is a country in a death spiral. 600,000 russians die every year. more than are born. the average mortality of a russian male is under 60. so, there is all kind of things with the economic, diplomatic that we can leverage. but the big problem is this is a nation run by a former k.g.b. officer. the kind of people that daniel was dodging in moscow for many years. this is not your average country. >> jeanine: all right, daniel. you are shaking your head. add to it.
>> i'm nodding. dr. gorka is 100% right about that. >> jeanine: all right. but then, what do we have to offer them? >> well, you know, i think dr. gorka was right about the leverage in ukraine. what scares president putin is democracy. having a country on his border with a large number of ethnic russians and the russian-speaking population like ukraine, which is growing in its relationship with the european union and with nato and has just received tomahawk antitank weapons. javelin antitank weapons from the united states. i think we need to double down on our support to ukraine. i would like to see the president publicly make a statement, a commitment to ukraine's territorial integrity and independence at the summit. i think a harder one for us is going to be syria, which this week russia launched attacks in southwestern syria that resulted in the deaths of lots of civilians. they broke the truss that was agreed to -- the truce that
was agreed to a year ago. that was designed to let assad focus on other allies. i'm not sure i see us breaking through with a resolution. >> jeanine: does russia, dr. gorka, have any kind of incentive to get out of syria? what does it benefit russia to be in syria? >> well, look, russia has to be understood as different from other countries. this isn't belgium, this isn't canada. i always label russia as an anti-status quo actor. they meddle in other people's business. they destabilize regions to profit from that instability. however, they are in trouble in syria. remember, secretary mattis said u.s. forces have killed over 200 russian mercenaries in syria. it's not going well. it doesn't play well at home. they want relevance. putin wants to demonstrate relevance and he knows with donald trump this is a very, very different president. >> jeanine: and when they have this meeting -- and i just have a few seconds
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that's it for me. i'm gigi stone woods. the news continues right now with my colleague, david, who's been tweeting this whole hour -- >> constantly. thank you very much. great to see you. good afternoon, i'm david gura at msnbc headquarters in new york. we start this hour with president trump who is spending the weekend at his golf resort in bedminster, new jersey. the president ending his week touting friday's economic numbers. second-quarter gdp growth of 4.1%, that is the fastest pace since 2014. he's not been able to change the subject, avoiding all questions about the latest revelations from his former personal attorney michael cohen who nbc news reports is prepared to tell investigators that president trump had prior knowledge of that now-infamous june, 2016,
view that meeting differently perhaps in light of what we heard on that tape, in light of what we've learned this week. cnn reporting, other outlets following here, that michael cohen is willing to testify that donald trump did know about this meeting before it took place here. we're talking about a potentially very birthday on tthe -- very pivotal period of two, three months in the summer of 2016? >> that's right. and if this is true, then michael cohen witnessed something and will testify to that effect, then of course that would be tremendously important. it would link the president personally to the meeting which -- in which his son was promised dirt from the russian government and responded eagerly, if it's what you say, i love it, in an attempt at collusion if nothing else. i think, though, that i'm a bit cautious about this particular one. i know that cnn reported it and a few others followed. notice that no one on the record is reporting it. and unless and until it comes out on the record from mr. cohen or his lawyer, i'm wondering
whether this is real or is this a flirtation with mueller trying to get some kind of interest in terms of maybe he'll cooperate and make his problems in the southern district of new york go away. there's a lot of question marks hanging over whether this particular thing is concrete yet. >> betsy, i want to get your reaction to the way the president has reacted to the reporting about what michael cohen might or might not say here. we looked at that tweet a few minutes ago. he doesn't call out lanny davis by name. he doesn't mention michael cohen by name, as well. we see him as the taxicab medallion pedlar, something like that. you've written about this for "the daily beast." give me a sense of what that indicates to you, the way that the president is engaging with the story. >> sources told my colleague and me earlier this week that as the president was watching this news unfold late one evening on cable, he hurled obscenities at the television. he was deeply frustrated with the revelation that michael cohen may potentially make this claim to robert mueller.
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this is -- this is coming to a head really. as mr. cohen is going to, you know, possibly testify before, you know, mr. mueller. and it's a very interesting time, though. >> charlie, how did you process hearing that tape? what did you think when you heard it for the first time in the day since it aired? you've had the president's team casting aaspersions on it sayin it ends abruptly, making the semantic argument that cash might not mean green currency and the like. what was your reaction to hearing the tape, and how did it change the story for you? >> well, i mean, the tape itself is pretty difficult to make out and garbled. the thing that struck me about it was that transcript of sorts that the president's team was floating before we add the actual audio was different than what we heard on the tape. they were sort of adding a few words here and there to make it sounds better surrounding that word "cash," than my ears at least were able to detect. i think most normal humans were
able to detect. and that, if nothing else, is a sign of suspicion that they felt the need to do that. and also a little bit weird because the tape existed, so it was going to come out. so why -- why do something where you're so obviously going to get caught? that's the takeaway i had from it. >> i want to spend the last couple of minutes talking about the relationship so much as there is one here between the president and the guy who was his lawyer for such a long time, and betsy, your piece has a great headline alluding to the fact that the president's legal team want to bury michael cohen at this point. we've talked in weeks past about the screws being turned on michael cohen. what's happened to the relationship this week? what's your sense of michael cohen's thinking at this point from what you've heard from i guess mostly from lanny davis with regard to the picture that we've seen painted here of michael cohen today, what he intends to do, what he suggested might happen in the future? >> the relationship is toast. it's done. it's not ever going to be fixed. these two men are never going to be friends again, never going to have any sort of cordial bond.
at least that's the assumption under which michael cohen is operating. he is making peace with the fact that this man who used to have a central, almost defining role in his life, this man he spent years and years working for, defending, even in some ways jeopardizing his reputation to protect, that this relationship, this co-relationship is no longer exsistent. in fact, the president has completely turned on him. the two men are going from being a loyal and committed to pair to being almost out to get each other. another thing that cohen and his allies are preparing for is for the onslaught of attacks that he's going to receive from people in the president's circle. we don't expect the attacks to come from the white house per se because that would affect their, i don't know, credibility, i guess. people in rudolph giuliani's circles, allies of the president, are going to be going after cohen. his credibility is a liability to them. >> all right. betsy, kurt is, charlie, thanks to all of you, appreciate it. still ahead, the summer of 2016, who knew about that trump
tower meeting? the legal complication says for anyone who decided to keep it a secret and contempt or impeachment? house republicans trying to make the case to oust the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein. weighing in next. (vo) why are subaru outback owners always smiling? because they've chosen the industry leader. subaru outback holds its value better than any other vehicle in its class, according to alg. better than rav4. better than grand cherokee. better than edge. make every adventure a happy one with subaru outback. get 0% apr financing on the 2018 subaru outback.
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supervisory and satisfactory mode, so yes, i do believe that. >> that was house caucus chairman mark meadows who's leading the efforts to impeach deputy attorney general rod rosenstein. rosenstein who oversees the mueller investigation who has under fire by house conservatives who accuse him of stonewalling on their requests for documents related to the fbi's handling of hillary clinton e-mails and the agency's use of fisa warrants. members of the freedom caucus say they will give the fbi until september to turn over documents, but democrats are calling the move nothing more than an effort to undermine robert mueller. congressman jeffries who sits on the house judiciary committee also weighed in tweeting, republican cover-up caucus introduced articles of impeachment against deputy attorney general. take a hike. congressman jeffries of the eighth district here in new york joins me now on set. let me get your reaction to this. this dropped over these last few days. you're in recess now, the district work period. pick what you want to call it. have cooler heads prevailed? how serious do you think your
more conservative colleagues on the republican side are about the effort? >> it remains to be seen. the speaker of the house, paul ryan, indicated that these charges in no way rose to the serious level of high crimes and misdemeanors. i think the view amongst all of us on the hill, democrats, and hopefully reasonably minded republicans, is that these articles of impeachment are not worth the paper that they're written on. and it exposes the great hypocrisy of the republican party. they've claimed for years that they are party of the rule of law. yet they have regularly supported a president who has gone after the fbi, gone after the special prosecutor, gone after career law enforcement officials, and now they've put forth articles of impeachment against the republican-appointed deputy attorney general for nothing short of his alleged failure to turn over documents. are you kidding me? when we have a president of the united states whose campaign possibly engaged in a criminal conspiracy with russian spies to
sell out our democracy and undermine the elections in 2016 and artificially place someone at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. yet the so-called cover-up caucus has nothing to say about that? but they want to impeach rod rosenstein on documents. it's just -- it's a joke. >> you mentioned that the house speaker addressed this. listen to what paul ryan had to say about conservatives in his caucus. >> do i support impeachment of rod rosenstein? no, i do not. since i've been involved, i've been getting a lot of compliance from doj on the document requests. we do not have full compliance, and we have to get full compliance. but we've been making tremendous progress to that point. >> congressman jeffries, let's going back -- let's go back to the hearing where the deputy attorney general testified. this came up, he defended himself, defended his department vid video sis -- vociferously.
how out-of-step was it with paul ryan and the rest of the republican party? >> he's trying to distract from the ongoing serious criminal investigation into the trump campaign and try and create this fantasy and fiction and fallacy that this legitimate investigation is a witch hunt. what perplexes me about that whole argument is that every single person involved in the alleged witch hunt is a republican. james comey, who started the criminal investigation back in 2016, is a republican. rod rosenstein, who's overseeing the current investigation, republican. christopher wray, current fbi director, appointed by donald trump, republican. and of course, bob mueller is a long-standing republican who was incredibly well respected coming into the appointment and has served his country. this is all just a charade, a kangaroo court. it is a three-ring circus that is designed to distract. we as democrats are going to keep our eye on the prize. we're going to call it what it
is but then focus on governing for the people to make life better for everyday americans, not for the wealthy and the well off, special interests, mega corporations, big donors. >> before he left for new jersey for the weekend, president trump spoke on the south lawn of the white house. he talked about the economy. he talked about trade. he talked about the recent gdp read. and it became clear that that's going to be what he's going to be campaigning on as we head to november. you're going to be out in the streets in brooklyn, elsewhere, in new york campaigning for democrats. i want to ask about this issue in particular -- you're going to keep your eye on the prize and all that entails when you look at the democrats' plan. what's your sense to the degree which voters care about this issue, about the russia investigation, you talk about letting it play its course, run its course, and is that something you hear from constituents that they want that to happen? how much is this front of mine from those you're talking about in prospect heights or elsewhere in new york state? >> one of the reasons democrats have indicated in our conversations with the american people that we're going to be focused on pocketbook issues is
because we know when we're out talking to our constituents that they care about things like the health care costs that are skyrocketing out of control and that the republicans are making worse, not better, as a result of the attacks on the affordable care act. we're going to work to drive down health care costs, strengthen the affordable care act, and dramatically reduce the cost of prescription drugs which we hear from our constituents all across the country. we have a crumbling infrastructure, and what we're going to do is rebuild america. and that will create 16 million good-paying jobs. we have a trillion-dollar plan. the republicans have a fake plan. it will increase pay for those involved. and repairing crumbling roads, bridges, mass transportation system and ports. we're also hearing from our constituents that they want us to do something about cleaning up corruption in washington so that government works for them, not for the privileged few. and so that's what we're going to be focused on as part of our "for the people" agenda, not for the privileged, for the people.
>> congresswoman, great to see you. >> thank you. >> hakeem jeffries from new york. editor-in-chief of "law fair," and senior fellow at the brookings institution joining us, and former cia analyst. ben, let me start with and the debate that's been raging on in "law fair," debate, ink has been spilled over the issue of impeachment and rod rosenstein. want to get your perspective on what we've seen from more conservative members of the caucus. your sense of the potential longevity of this argument after we had this august recess. >> well, i mean, they are clearly very committed to putting a lot of pressure on rod rosenstein. and impeachment is one, you know, threat that they can wield in order to do that. another one is contempt. of course another one is just the endless blizzard of subpoenas and document requests that then fuel all of the other
threats. it's absurd, quite ridiculous. it's very dangerous because the -- you know, there simply has never been a time before when congress has demanded this kind of information in this volume about pending investigations. that said, they're not going to impeach rod rosenstein. so the specific threat is a bit silly. >> nada, i want to get your perspective, as well. we've heard from the president and his advisers, attacks on the fbi, on the justice department. is this advancing that? is this taking that to a new level when you have members of congress here raising the specter of impeachment? >> absolutely. i think that it is. when you listen to what ben had just said, this does take it to a whole new level. when you look at how devin nunez had treated the information, intelligence, when he wrote his infamous memo, he politicized everything to fit his narrative.
i think it's a valid argument that we would be concerned that this group of lawmakers would be doing the same thing. and it's extremely dangerous when lawmakers take intelligence and then use it and spin it to support their own case because what it does, it distorts the facts. it can also expose sources and methods. that's also a very real concern. >> ben, there was a piece in "the new york times" by michael schmidt, focusing on robert mueller's investigation, what he might be looking into, looking at the tweets of the president. this was something that donald trump responded to. we can talk a bit about the way that the president has reacted to reports in the news over the course of the last week. let me read this one tweet in particular, he said, "the only collusion with russia was with the democrats. now they're looking at my tweets along with 53 million other people," whatever that means. "the witch hunt continues. how stupid and unfair to our country. so the fake news doesn't waste my time with dumb questions," he continues a second tweet, "no, i did not know of the meeting of son, don jr. sounds like someone is try igto make up stories in order to get
himself out of an unrelated jam. taxi cabs, maybe he even retained bill and crooked hillary's lawyer. gee, i wonder if they helped him make the choice." we'll take the tweets in kind starting with the first one here. the interest in the tweets. what we can learn about the president and his thinking from his 140, 280-character tweets over the last two years. >> we can learn a lot. we can learn that he's a very focused thinker who's clear about what he's trying to say, right. and who's always on message. what to make of those tweets. >> you had me for about five seconds. >> yeah. coherence is not the -- the strong suit. look, i mean, bob mueller of course will look at the tweets. this is one of the principal means by which the president is signaling things including to people who are involved in the investigation. so if you're thinking about the pattern of activity that the president is engaged in and how
that interacts with the obstruction of justice statutes, you're looking at the whole pattern of activity, and one thing that involves is private statements to individuals. one thing that it involves is acts like, you know, firing the fbi director. one thing it involves is public statements like, you know, helping draft the -- the denial of the trump trump tower meeting, right. and a lot of the president's public statements are in the form of tweets. so it will -- of course bob mueller is looking at that. >> nada, last question. they're invoking the trump tower meeting of 2016. again, we're talking about it because of the reports this week that michael cohen reportedly is willing to testify that president trump, then-candidate trump, knew about the existence of the meeting before it happened, contradicting what we've heard from his son and others. give me a sense of your interest in the meeting. we know who the participants are. a lot of them have spoken to reporters over the last again months. how much of a focus do you think
this deserves? what happened in that meeting, and who knew about it when? >> well, if you slice and dice this looking at it from an intelligence analyst's perspective, you look at the collection of meetings and the contacts and the enmeshment that trump has had or his businesses had with russia. i think this meeting in that context is fairly significant, especially if you take it with the e-mail that trump jr. received and responded to about maybe having salacious information on hillary clinton. i think in total it adds to the picture. and there's one thing i'd like to say about the tweets. >> sure. >> you know, from an intelligence perspective, there's analysts in russia look at how donald trump communicates. they're writing up intelligence reports, probably matching it with how does this line up with the russian narrative on various topics. there's january lifts working in -- analysts working in allied countries of ours also doing the same thing, wondering how much of this is lining up with
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nbc's intelligence and national security reporter ken delanian has been looking at the answers. i want to read a statement focused focused on interference saying the president has made it clear his administration will not tolerate foreign interference in our elections. as you've pointed out in your reporting, members of the president's cabinet focused on national security have said there is a need for there to be a central, unified effort to stop this from happening again. it doesn't seem like we got that yesterday. where does that stand? where does an effort to have a full-scale government response stand? >> there isn't such a response, david. that statement is really interesting. it's not clear to me to whom the president has made his view clair on this. he hasn't even been clear on whether he believes russia, in fact, interfered in the 2016 election. he's called it a home at different times. his press secretary has had to clean that up. look, some parts of the government are stepping up their game. the fbi has created a foreign influence task force. the department of homeland security is working with the
states to shore up their cyber defenses. but there has been no leadership from the white house. and here's the thing -- i mean, we can have all the cyber defenses in the world, but there's no way that that can prevent 100% russian military hackers from getting in somebody's campaign or getting in a voting system. they're very good, and they will get in. so what experts say is you have to deter the russians, you have to show that there's a price to be paid for this behavior. so far, the u.s. government hasn't done that. now in fairness, many people say the obama administration didn't do it either. the response to russian hacking by obama was considered pretty tepid. he expelled 60 diplomats. he closed some compounds. there were people in the obama administration pushing to do more. for example, the u.s. could release embarrassing information about vladimir putin's corrupt billions that he has stashed away in bank accounts. there's no evidence that we've done that. and as a result, you know, the director of national intelligence, dan coates, has said that the russians are in a daily -- on a daily basis continuing to interfere in our politics, manipulating social
media, spewing propaganda, and we saw that they tried to hack claire mccaskill's senate account the other day. so suggesting that they're not deterred from doing exactly what they did in 2016, david. >> we are just about 100 days away from the midterm elections. and we certainly heard dan coates saying that the lights are blaring, sirens are flashing, whatever it was he used. as we head into the midterms, what are you hearing about what we might face? off you've heard -- you've heard of active deterrence, what are experts fearing most when it comes to the elections? >> despite the fact we saw attempted spear fishing against senator claire mccaskill, most u.s. intelligence officials are saying they are not seeing the kind of preparing the groundwork for attacks on election systems. what they are seeing, though, is bot and trolls on twitter manipulating u.s. public opinion on a daily basis. it's hard to measure how that will impact the electorate.
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so we've agreed that it will be after the first of the year." bold prediction there from john bolton. for more on this is democratic strategist, former executive director of the new york state democratic party. also with me, republican strategist and msnbc political analyst. let's start with these articles of impeachment, susan. i'll play tape, folks from government reacting to what was proposed by congressman mark meadows and his colleagues. >> my deputy, rod rosenstein, is highly capable. i have the highest confidence in him. >> do i support impeachment of rod rosenstein? no, i do not. >> there's absolutely no basis to impeach rod rosenstein. it's an absurd idea, but it's designed to diminish the credibility of the justice department and undermine the mueller investigation, cause public doubts to be had, and it will cause long-term damage, but they don't care. >> you heard the house speaker there in the middle. two republicans and adent out of -- and a democrat, schiff,
there. how specific are you to what paul ryan is saying, he's trying to keep his caucus together? is this the hill -- i don't want to say that republicans die on, but is this a fight they should be dying on? >> this was a p.r. stunt. that's all it was. it was mark meadows and 20 of his colleagues in the house trying to give a nice present to donald trump, maybe they're auditioning, they want cabinet positions, who knows. it was not based in reality. we know it's not going to happen. they're on recess now for a month. it was important, not only was it two republicans and one democrat, but it was also rosenstein's boss. >> maybe it's wise that there's more bipartisanship, why isn't more stuff happening out of congress? what does this say about that, the fact that these articles were drafted, they were tendered, this is where at least one faction of the republican
party is at this point? >> it says they're not doing much, right. and for whatever democrats may get blamed for it from president trump or others, the republicans control the house and the senate. so we can during our recess talk to constituents and say, look, congress is not about infrastructure, which we talked about a year ago, but haven't talked about since. they're not about the working class or farmers, which we've seen over the last couple of weeks. they're about impeaching someone over documents as congressman jeffries has said. and i will take something that congressman jerry nadler also said, he said that rosenstein is the only person sort of standing in between overreach of the preside president. that is a very, very talking point for voters in the next couple of weeks because they're starting to see sort of, i think, a president -- i hate to quote omarosa's book -- >> yes -- >> to answer that, one of the
reasons many things didn't get done in the house that they couldn't have support is because of the 20, 25 freedom caucus members who wanted to get in the way of everything. that goes to speaker ryan's leadership potentially, but you know, these are the same people who are now coming up with that absurd plan to try and -- >> true, leadership coming to an end, as well. the question of what's next is there, as well. let me ask you about the second topic, that is we heard john bolton saying he thinks that the next summit, the sequel to the helsinki summit, should take place maybe in 2019 after the witch hunt ends, as he sees it ending. we saw the reaction to that summit across the aisle. many republicans were highly critical of the president going to helsinki, having the meeting one on one without the presence of anyone else, critical of the comments he made afterward. we're talking about whether or not republicans should be having the fight over the impeachment of rod rosenstein. how about the president's insistence that these meetings continue between him and vladimir putin? how is that resonating do you think with the republican electorate? >> not very well. let's not forget the reason why
that meeting came up and the president brought it up through bolton was because dan koetcoat was giving an interview, and it wasn't necessarily what the president wanted to hear. his -- sorry, his intelligence secretary. >> yeah, d&i. >> d&i. so donald trump just kind of threw it out there like he does many times. and that's what the real problems we're facing now is we don't know what policy is. these meetings, so what if they meet, we don't know what policy's going to come out of it. that's what's particularly frightening for the country, and i think republicans are pushing back on. they push back so hard on that impromptu meeting that it caused the white house to come out again and say, oh, no, we're going to wait until after january which is code for saying we're waiting until after the midterm elections are over. >> and basil, a lot of people thought the president was played by his russian counterpart. you had vladimir putin going before cameras saying not only
would i wait going to washington, but president trump is welcome here if the circumstances are right. what does that say about, i guess, president trump's engagement with the issue but the degree that which you have a russian president who's making hay out of all this? >> i would say that the president is not the dealmaker that he told us he was -- >> a daleal breaker. >> a deal breaker. i grew up in the bronx, and we don't get do-overs. he wants a do-over with the russian president. it can't happen , it shant happen. -- it shouldn't happen. this something, again, democrats will take to constituents, independents, and republicans. this is against decades of republican dogma what the president is doing. hopefully we can capitalize on that. >> great to say you both. thank you very much for the time on this saturday. the deadline has passed for more than 600 migrant children still in government custody. after the break, the challenge to reunite those children with their families.
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1,000 of them could face immediate deportation. 600 have been released under supervision. 392 are still detained and being held in i.c.e. custody. that still leaves 650 children the government deems ineligible for reunification because their parents have already been deported. i want to bring in my panel now. victoria is an msnbc contributor and professor at the lbj school of public affairs at the university of texas. jose, let me start with you. you're a lawyer in private practice here. you have made that journey to the border many times now. you have clients who are down there. what's the status of them? after passing that deadline yesterday, a lot of people are wondering how things are and what's next. >> gratefully, for 20 of my clients, i represent approximately 20 mothers. of the 20, only one mother remains there. she's absolutely anguished to still be there because she saw all of her fellow mothers being released and now she's the last one to be released.
we are trying so desperately to get her released and reunited with her children. unfortunately, as of today, she just called me this morning, she still is at the detention facility. >> victoria, i want to get your perspective on this as well, maybe more broadly looking at policy here. you had that judge out in san diego extending the deadline for this just a little bit. you saw the efforts that the government made to make this happen. what's your sense of where things stand at this point? how right the federal government has made this now that we've hit the deadline. >> the number 650 is a pretty big number to me. those are the number of children who are still in limbo. about 400 parents have been deported or have left the country, and then you have about another 200 kids in detention who are deemed ineligible to be reunited with their family because the parents have a criminal record or for whatever reason and they're pending further examination. so 650. and the question is how are we going to reunify those children?
what is being done, both on the legal aspect, are we working with foreign governments to contact the parents that are in honduras and guatemala and el salvador and try to get them linked up? what are the bureaucratic mechanisms? that's the question for me. aside from the human and the moral question. every day that passes that these children are alone in detention centers, we are doing irreparable harm. so there's the bureaucratic and the human component to this number. >> jose, you've been back and forth and i wonder how much things have changed. i want to read from that judge out in san diego. this problem cannot repeat. what was lost in the process was the family. there has to be a procedure or protocol in place. i recall jacob soboroff holding up that flowchart for what's supposed to happen for this to work. has it changed as you've seen it? >> it has made some changes. these families, the ones that i represent have been reunited. however, it is absolutely --
there is no that i can see any rhyme or reason. i've spoken to several i.c.e. officials and they keep shifting me around. call this number, call this number. it's been so difficult. i really think that luckily for some of these women, they had someone advocating for them. unfortunately, there are hundreds of mothers that have no one to advocate for them. and i don't know what, if any, safeguards there are. for example, all of the mothers that were released from arizona were given a sheet of paper to sign and they were told you want to leave here? sign this paper. that paper was in english. i was given a copy of that paper and it's a lot of misleading language in there that's only in english. and there's no one there to tell them, to read them, okay, this is what this means. this is what this means. it's just -- they're signing blindly. some of them are signing documents that they have no business signing. waiving certain rights. i am scared that a lot of women who were deported were deported not knowing what rights, if any,
they had and they waived them away. now they're separated from their children and it's going to be extremely difficult to reunite little kids, some of them 5, 6, 7 years old, with a mother who is thousands and thousands of miles away in a foreign country. >> i'm just going to read quickly from the aclu. they have asked the court to block any deportations for seven days after we are notified of reunification so that we can make sure families have the opportunity to meet with lawyers, are fully apprised of their options and can make the decision that is best for them. jose, thank you very much. victoria, my thanks to you as well. and that is it for me. i'm david gura. join me tomorrow at 2:00 p.m. and 3:00 p.m. eastern time. "all in with chris hayes" is next. have a great night. insurance that won't replace
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order is, territory now. and i wonder if they've had a chance to explain to the president what you reported last week, that under this beefed up post-enron witness tampering law, he may have more exposure than he understands. they seem to be leaning on a first amendment defense, which is not going to hold up if your reporting holds up he's being scrutinized for the way these fit together. >> what rudy giuliani said today is this is ridiculous, the clip you played. the idea obstruction by tweet. he said it was bizarre and idiotic and there was nothing to it and the president can express his opinions. the thing about the president and obstruction and collusion, you know, interference or whatever you want to call it is the president usually focuses on the russia question. he says, this is a witch hunt. there was no collusion. he repeats that over and over again. the thing is that does the president really understand obstruction? does he understand the exposure he has there? when mueller's investigators sat down with the president's
lawyers in march and said, look, here are the things we want to ask the president about. two-thirds or maybe three-fourths of them were about obstruction, they were not about the president's ties to russia or the campaign's ties to russia. >> a lot of them, we found eight of the questions you reported on earlier this year are about jeff sessions. so, while as you said a lot of his allies attacked him, comey, you see them do that publicly, they do it privately, it's really the questions around jeff sessions. he wanted an interview in december. his guys, roy cohn, he admired eric holder because he saw him as someone who protected obama. how does that kind of thinking about what your own justice department officials could or should do look to robert mueller's investigators? >> well, the original sin for the president -- and he openly says he has an interesting transparency to this -- he says, look, i never would have made sessions my attorney general if i knew he was going to recuse himself. he said that out loud in public in an interview with us last july. so that is the thing that is --
bothers the president the most, that he does not have someone loyal to him like he thinks obama did, or jfk did running the justice department. he wants someone who will do what he wants in the justice department. the thing i don't understand, i tried to press the lawyers on, the president could call the justice department. he could call rod rosenstein, who actually oversees the investigation. sessions doesn't. sessions doesn't have the authority to do it because he's recused. et could call rosenstein and say shut this down, if not, i'm going to fire you and put someone else in. i don't understand if the president is that concerned this is a witch hunt why he does not do that. >> and clearly it is not a witch hunt. bob mueller referred three cases that include and involve democrats to your old stomping grounds, the southern district. where do you think a prosecutor, an investigator who is not sort of rattling around in this echo chamber, where do they see this conduct? where does this point them toward? >> well, it confirms one of the critical elements of an obstruction of justice investigation, which is the
corrupt intent. and this notion that it's laughable or ridiculous that you would have obstruction by tweet is actually laughable and ridiculous. the tweets are just simply statements. and any lawyer worth his salt knows that any statement by a potential defendant can be used against him. >> mimi rucker said that. if this was a debate -- >> there have been many people for months and months and months who have gone on television including me, saying stop tweeting because these tweets are going to be used against you. that defense doesn't go anywhere, you pointed out the first amendment defense doesn't go anywhere. of course, you can't use the first amendment as a shield to commit crimes. but this in and of itself is not obstruction. it's remarkable in many ways not the least of which as mike just pointed out, jeff sessions is not overseeing this investigation. so if he wants it to end, he should call out rod rosenstein to do it. but i'm not sure that that is
unintentional. in other words, i think he wants to get the message out, but have enough removed so he can have some plausible deniability and say i don't want this to happen. if i wanted to order it to happen, i would. which of course everybody would know would be a near immediate impeachable offense. so he's walking a fine line. but as we are learning with trump and giuliani, there is more of a method to their madness than it meets the eye. and everything that they say comes from somewhere, and the difficulty for us is to try to figure out what is driving them. >> what do you think is driving them? >> it's a little more method than madness. we know where it's coming from. it's coming from both of their screaming raging ids, the fear center of the president. some day when i die if i go to heaven, heaven for me is going to be a poker game where donald trump is at the table with a big stack of chips.
the guy has the worst poker face in the world. when he is triggered he acts out. he's been acting out with resecretary to jeff sessions the first 18 months. if you're a prosecutor, you're going to look at a piece of evidence that are not in the public record, there aren't things we've seen, there aren't things like this because there are apparently we'll talk about this later, i'm sure. there's been incredible reporting in the last week about some piece of actual contemporaneous evidence coming out through investigative reporting in new york review and books and other places. you look at what donald trump has done with jeff sessions consistently throughout. this is a 35fifth example. the man is desiring to obstruct justice, he wishes justice was obstructed for him. he is screaming his guilt every time he does something like this. of course, the man stands up almost every day and brags about he has tens of millions of twitter followers. i have the biggest megaphone in america. it's not really like a megaphone. it's not really a -- not an
order. if bill clinton stood up in the white house press office in 1995 and said, i think janet reno should fire ken starr, we would all, everyone would have had a ka nipgs. it would have been the obvious thing in the world. it is now 2018. this is the equivalent of bill clinton standing up in the white house press office saying janet reno should fire ken starr when donald trump does it to his twitter followers, tens of millions of them, it's the same thing. >> you know, i figured out all the reporting you and your colleagues have done about all of the white house staffers that have gone into mueller's investigation offices and testified to all of what john heilman just detailed. hope hicks has been with mueller's investigators. reince priebus has testified, steve bannon has testified. there are witnesses to everything everyone is talking about. the firing of jim comey, the desire to fire jeff sessions, the desire to fire bob mueller. what is the purpose served? is it simply to sort of play the last card that they're holding or the last chip to carry over
a lot of republican senators have said that and i think that is something the president actually deep down believes. so when he's lashing out, when he's scratching the itch this morning saying, you should just fire rosenstein, i think he's doing it to make himself feel good and to communicate to the public, you know, even though this does align with the white house narrative, oh, it's not an order, it seems like an order to the public and that's a problem. >> comey testified that it felt like an order when he asked, can you see to let mike flynn go. >> the proof of it is now. he can send this tweet today and there are not republican senators on the hill calling for his impeachment. there would be political consequence if he actually summoned rod rosenstein to the white house and fired him. >> what consequence -- >> i think a fair number of republicans on capitol hill -- >> name them. >> do we want to make a list? >> let's make a list. what republican would be mad if donald trump fired rod rosenstein? orrin hatch thinks he's the --
>> you're asking me to do a memory test of all the republicans -- >> i'm asking you to think of one who has courage. i can't think of any. >> i'm not going to argue with you they have courage -- >> eli came up with one. >> i gave you orrin hatch. do you want a better one than that? >> we'll find the sound he said donald trump is the bestment ever. >> he said it would be an issue -- >> when trump -- when he grabs the third rail and he -- whatever he does, no one ever does anything. >> there is no doubt that history, that is factual. >> i want to ask you something about, john's analysis, mike's analysis they're playing this card because they think they can survive impeachment. the way they got to mike flynn is because his son had "today's special value" exposure. i'm not ascribing onto donald trump the humanity of mike flynn. there is a known unknown. do you think there is any peril for donald trump, jr., or his daughter's husband jared
kushner -- >> or his daughter. >> or his daughter, any of that calculation changes, bring it on? bill clinton had 67% approval the week he was impeached. that's a poll number played back to me by trump's allies. he'd love the fight. not so much if one of his children or son-in-law were in legal trouble. >> i think that's where it becomes more tricky. i don't know what he will do if they go after his son or son-in-law or daughter or his other son eric trump who has openly talked about russian money coming into their businesses. i'm looking at two things right now. not just the public tweets, but also his private conduct because we've talked on the show before about how he's calling around capitol hill and all the agencies, calling the dni and calling in favors to have them in private shutdown the investigation. so i think that if it in public got to the point where they're going after his family members, we should look at his private conduct as well because as it gets closer to going after ivanka or jared or don junior, is he calling in private while
he's tweeting in public to try to shutdown this investigation another way, or trying to fire rod rosenstein another way in private behind closed doors when we don't know about it? >> mike, let me ask you a question about the nature, the spirit with which the president's lawyers were in touch with you and your colleagues today because you hear this sort of stonewalling out of the press briefing. the president was just expressing an opinion. if they weren't worried, why are they in so much contact with so many reporters today? >> i think they're very afraid of the narrative. it comes back to the issue of public opinion. and they're trying to insulate the president from himself as much as possible. as it's long been established, the president's aides and his lawyers have no control over his tweets. they have no ability to stop that. so the only thing that they can do is try and manage the fallout from it and try and say, look, he's just blowing off steam. he's just expressing his opinions. the problem is that if that's someone sitting on their couch just kind of popping off on twitter that's one thing. when it's the president of the
united states, it comes with a different weight and i'm not sure that everyone in the white house or outside of it that's close to the president really appreciates that. >> so, if you could just paint for us the picture of what mike and his colleague maggie reported last week mueller stitching together these pieces, how does it fit into an exhibit of obstruction of justice? >> there are two parallel things going on that intersect, because i think that the smoke that we're starting to see including from mike and maggie's reporting, but also that we are starting to see from some of these michael cohen leaks and critically now that the manafort trial is starting and rick gates is a cooperating witness is taking center stage, i don't think it's a coincidence that he's lashing out this way in an obstructive nature when we are starting to see in the public a little bit more of the collusion end of things. and remember, we don't know what rick gates has told bob mueller about any russia collusion. and he was there for a lot of it. and he was very close with
limitations. but my theory on this is that it wasn't lanny davis who reported or leaked that meeting. lanny davis has not said anything about that meeting in public. so rudy giuliani is trying to distract from the original source of the information, which was really him. and the thing that sticks out to me as a prosecutor is you have a cooperating witness who was at that new pre-meeting. that cooperating witness is required to tell the special counsel everything he knows about any criminal conduct. and it is not a coincidence to me that right when paul manafort's lawyers get all of those statements from rick gates -- because that's required before a trial -- that all of a sudden rudy giuliani is doing what he often has done -- it's a pattern now, which is trying tri and get out in front of something and spin it. so i think that's what was really going on here. >> mike schmidt, i'll give you last word. you and your colleague maggie cover rudy. do you have any theory or new reporting on what that head
banging was about, what that meeting was about and why it mattered so much to rudy to get out that list? i don't know the words. >> what was the head banging? >> i don't know if it works. >> i think the issue the trump legal team runs into is the president's legal exposure is so complex. there is obstruction. there is collusion. there is a question about whether to do an interview. and these are things that if you're going to go out and speak publicly about them, you really need to be well versed in. you need to know all the facts about them. and i think they run into trouble when they run into subjects that they don't necessarily know as well as others. these are not simple investigations. they have complex legal, you know, questions around them and about the facts. and when the homework is not done, it doesn't come out right. >> i bang my head, too. really quick. >> the point mike is making is right. they don't know everything. in fact, they don't know a lot. and so they're learning it probably a little bit ahead of
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behind the president's hours-long seven tweet meltdown, paul manafort on trial in alexandria, virginia. the trial is moving at break neck speed. the prosecution telling the presiding judge just in the last hour that the government will rest its case as early as next week. that's days ahead of schedule. nbc's ken dilanian joins us from outside the courthouse to bring us the news from day two of the trial. and joining the table ben rhodes, former deputy national security advisor to president obama. lucky for us now an msnbc contributor and author of the book the world as it is. maybe we should change it to the world ads it was. ken dilanian, start us off. day two, what has it brought so far? >> well, nicolle, as you mentioned part of the news is the fast pace of this trial. it's going much faster hannah we anticipated. in part the judge is pushing the prosecutors. so much to their annoyance at times, to keep it moving, keep
it moving. he's preventing them from going into certain areas. to the has been mostly a story about purchases by paul manafort of luxury goods, paid for by wire transfer from bank accounts in cyprus. there's been a parade of witnesses including from elite suit makers in beverley hills, where manafort pent $334,000 over two years on suits. another suit company said he was one of their top five customers. he bought a $2 million house for his daughter in alexandria, $67,000 for a mercedes. $3 million in improvements, the contractor was just on the stand, at his homes in the hamptons, in brooklyn and manhattan, over four years. all of it came from wire transfers from cyprus. here's the important point, nicolle. the defense in their opening said they'll blame all the illegal conduct on rick gates. they'll say gates was managing the business and if anything wrong happened it was his fault.
in every single one of these transactions, the prosecutors would ask the witness have you heard of a man named rick gates? no. did rick gates have anything to do with wire transfer to you? no. >> the ostrich jacket, ridiculous defense. that was yesterday's story. are they sticking to that? i imagine nobody that was a vendor to paul manafort knitted a suit or stitched a suit or put in a counter top or dug a pole for a swimming pool for rick gates. >> that's right. so i'm not sure how much the prosecution is tailoring this case to thwart the rick gates did it defense. it certainly seems to be one aspect of their thought processes here. there's one thing they want to show the jury how extravagant his life-style is. the judge is adamant he's not on trial because he's rich. the prosecution is trying to put in evidence about a pool house in the hamptons. judge wouldn't let it happen. there were pictures of suits the judge wouldn't let the jury see.
that is still up in the air. amid donald trump's talk of -- hinting around of potential pardon for paul manafort, this trial does not seem to be going well for mr. manafort today. >> ben, one of the backdrops of all this is the meticulousness of robert mueller's prosecutors. i remember when the indictments were unsealed, all of the legal analysis was these were paper cases. on paper they looked air tight. what do you make of sort of -- that was a bipartisan analysis of the way mueller's prosecutors, his investigators had gone about their investigation. it was actually echoed by democrats and republicans, including on fox news when the russians were indicted a couple fridays ago, they had the key stroke evidence and it spoke to the meticulousness of mueller's investigators. what do you make of a fact that on a day like today donald trump strongly orders or suggest his attorney general fire mueller or end the probe and no one does anything? john tried to think of a
republican, orrin hatch, he was talking about his brilliance. he tweeted -- >> you keep taking that shot. you want to have this fight again? >> it's 4:28. you have a minute to come up with one more name. >> john mccain. brian corker. >> individuals of conscience who believe in the rule of law should denounce this blatant effort to obstruct justice. congress must warn trump of dire consequence. should we hold our breath? >> what you're going to have is a collision between tua approaches to the truth. there is the donald trump approach and the bob mueller approach. now, when we were in -- >> is one even -- one approach is the truth? >> what i remember, nicolle, when we were in the white house, which wouldn't even comment on ongoing legal cases that had to do with other people. never mind us. we were very careful not to comment on certain supreme court cases. that's the norm of how you deal with these things. trump is trying to create an
alternative reality where he is the victim and the objective truth doesn't matter. what i also will tell you, i worked with bob mueller. bush appointee -- >> i worked with him, too. yeah. >> i remember when there was a terrorism case of a potential bomb on board cargo. bob mueller sat in the situation room days after and he personally recreated the printer and the cartridge that went in there. he had methodically put together these facts to nail the case against the terrorist group that had done this. he is going to be methodically building the facts here. and ultimately what is going to happen is a collision between the reality that bob mueller can layout for people and the lack of objective reality that donald trump is seeking to create with his chaotic tweet storms which violate any basic respect for the rule of law in this country. >> ken dilanian, that is every person that has worked with robert mueller in government has a story like the one ben rhodes just told. i worked with bob mueller after 9/11 and there was account after account like this. people that worked with him in the '90s in san francisco in the tech industry was just beginning
to boom have stories of his sort of early affinity for technology and for using technology to solve crimes. i wonder if there is any sense from the defense that they are going to ultimately be outmatched by this precision and meticulousness, that pardon is their only play. >> if they have that sense, nicolle, they are certainly not sharing that with anyone. in fact, i talked to a representative of mr. manafort who expressed confidence today that there was a good chance of acquittal here. i don't know if that's bluster, but he is certainly spending a lot of money on these lawyers. these are high-powered lawyers he has on his behalf. look, we can see it in this trial how well prepared and meticulous the investigation was here. the contractor from the hamptons was just on the stand talking about how he spent hours with an fbi agent going through every single invoice that he ever sent to paul manafort matching it up with the wire transfers. most of that will not be introduced in the trial, but that's the kind of work, the hours of work that went into
pinning all this down. document case, paper case about illicit money transfers, lot of intensive investigation. and this is only one small piece of what mueller is managing in this russia investigation. >> eli, you coined the term trump tells. there is behavior that reveals something else. what were the trump tells in that seven-tweet tweet storm? >> he's a terrible poker player. he's doing it all the time. it's not a very difficult question to answer. you see in some of the tweets about the manafort trial specifically, the president is both distancing himself saying he worked for me for just a little while, even after manafort was moved from the campaign, he was still involved. he was involved through the transition. those are the facts the president is trying to divert attention from those facts. but at the same time, he also has this inclination to portray paul manafort as a victim of this witch hunt. this is a choose your own reality country at the moment because it is incredibly divided and the reality donald trump wants people to choose is that this is a witch hunt and
everybody caught up in the investigation is somehow a victim. it's about 13 anger -- 17 now, 17 angry democrats. it's a partisan threat. never mind mueller is republican. never mind his credentials are impeccable. this is what the president is repeating over and over and over again to the public. it says something about his nervousness. but also says something about his belief in his own ability to gaslight the country and to convince a significant amount of americans to buy his reality. >> he's like malkovich. he sees it's over and starts throwing the oreos all over the place. it's the same thing. he plays the guy with the really flor id russian accent. >> i have nothing else. thank you very much. when we come back, a jar look at donald trump's sustained attacks against the media and the erosion of what used to be democratic and american norms. u.
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those boos were for jim accosta. that's what it was like for him last night in tampa. white house correspondent jim accosta, in case you were curious what that looked like from his perspective, he shared his first person view on his twitter account. what happened in that video didn't get the president's son eric trump any pause at all. he tweeted the video from a different angle with the caption, #truth. guess what? guess who retweeted that? the president of the united states. classy guy. sarah huckabee sanders was asked about this in today's briefing. her first answer was a recounting of the responsibilities of the press. so they'll try it again. >> do you support that or not? >> while we certainly support freedom of the press, we support freedom of speech and we think those things go hand in hand.
>> joining us now, "the new york times" -- we're not going to air that any more. let's make that the last sarah huckabee sanders clip at 4:00. that is it. it makes me sweat. that is vile. >> the previous answer -- >> it makes me sweat. this is someone who complains about a restaurant that exercises their first amendment right to kick out someone obliterating democratic norms t made me sweat. >> the prepared answer where she talked about the responsibilities of the press and talked about osama bin lauden is a pack of lies. the prepared answer was a pack of lies and we got that. >> we got it. we're going to get into this. heilman set up lies. i'm gathering myself. let's watch some lies. >> oh, oh. >> is honoring president obama. he is the founder of isis. >> we have more legislation
passed, including the record was harry truman. i broke that record. >> i watched when the world trade center came tumbling down. thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. black homeownership just hit the highest level it's ever been in the history of our country. congratulations. we've broken the all-time record in the history of the republican party, all-time record. my numbers are better right now than ronald reagan's numbers were with jimmy carter. >> winning the electoral college is very tough for republican. much more than the popular vote where people vote four times, much tougher, much, much tougher. >> all those clips had in common they were of course lies out of the commander in chief's mouth. white house chief correspondent peter baker. at the table as i mentioned jim
rutenberg. must be fun. it seems like watching a tally of the president's lies, 4,229, seems like the time it takes someone to type that number and he's told three more. i guess what is the point of and what is the value of what used to be a pretty heavy currency when i was working in politics, i'm sure for you guys, the fact check? >> i'll tell you something, there is a key set of numbers that came out sunday from cbs news did a poll with ugov. for strong trump supporters, 91% he is the most trust the source, more than their families. the media, mainstream media was at 11%. >> this is among his supporters? >> among his strong supporters. >> the enemy of the people, we have to love him. peter baker, let me ask you about the conduct at the press
briefing today. "the new york times" publisher, i'm guessing that's your boss, was in with the president not making any "the new york times" specific case, but simply talking about the effect around the world when the american president calls the media, generally speaking, the enemy of the people. i know it's uncomfortable to talk about yourselves and your role. we have a lot of freedom, we are by and large safe to go about doing our jobs. what was, what was the publisher of your paper trying to convey and what are the concerns to be a white house reporter under this president? >> well, look, i don't know about cause and effect. that's obviously something that is going to be debated. but there is a real concern these days in our newsroom and other newsrooms about the safety of journalists. there has been for a lot of time. it's hard not to watch what happened in annapolis just a few months ago, maybe two months ago the gunman who showed up, not related to the president -- the white house. the environment is so toxic. it is a rising concern among journalists. feeding into that concern, to hear a president sit there and talk about enemies of the people
to encourage crowds, not just to disapprove of the media or criticize the media, but to heckle and jeer and behave in the way you saw in that tape. that that's what a.j. salisbury was talking about. overseas, foreign correspondents are in hazardous places. authoritarian regimes take what they see happening here and use it as an excuse for much more draconian measures in their own countries that have put journalists, both foreign correspondents and domestic correspondents at risk. he was trying to get through to the president there was a consequence for words and he was hoping for an audience that would be receptive. >> i'm struck your boss and my old boss used the point between his election free press. in almost identical language, we didn't like everything written about us. on the contrary, we were one of the people covering my old boss. we disliked a lot of it, id a
lot of late night and early morning talks with both of you. peter, we are committed. there was something sacred, there was this third rail where complaining about the content of the conk was one thing. but i could never imagine president obama, vice-president biden or george w. bush permitting that kind of conduct, that kind of menacing threatening conduct at any of their events. in fact, when they traveled overseas, your boss and mine used to protect the american press that traveled with them and advocate for their access. >> yeah. the problem here is the fact checks, we get caught in mistake. that was the value of them. here you have a president who is hostile to the truth and hostile to a media that can hold him accountable. what i worry about, nicolle, is all around the world, in russia, in china, in venezuela, in many countries, there are regimes that are hostile to the press. we used to advocate on behalf of independent journalists. we advocated to get in both of our administrations, get journalists out of prison in
places like saudi arabia, friends of ours, right? and now trump is just giving a green light to every thug, every dictator around the world who is calling their own media fake news. so this is going to have much broader impact than just the united states where it is insidious enough where people are believing things that aren't true because they'll believe anything trump says. i think around the world, this is dealing a huge blow to the media which is really the only source that can always hold power to account. and if no one holds power to account, there is massive abuse of power. >> and i don't want to be a source truther, but the truth is a lot of trump white house officials are sources to all of us. everyone at this table has heard from people in the trump white house. every one of us and i won't check anyone's phones, has at least half a dozen white house staffers. they are the most vain group of political people i have encountered in my political life. >> it is a fascinating paradox. then you'll hear either from the press secretary or from the president himself. if you see anonymous sources, it's not true. it's like, come on.
>> right. >> it's very interesting. but the thing that is really starting to dawn on me, it's obvious in a way, the novelty is now gone, we can agree. we have what is a sustained attack and i don't think we even understand the full consequence of this. this is starting to really take hold in a way i don't think we first saw. i don't know where it's going to end up. i hope there is some kind of pull back, but i'm not expecting one. >> salen aera peters articulate has happened, not happened, cause and effect as peter articulated in this climate journalists were targeted. >> absolutely. we saw at his rallies during the campaign. katy tur had a lot of verbal abuse, she had to be escorted out by security. i'm worried because we're coming up on a year of charlottesville, the anniversary of charlottesville. he's about to go out on the road to campaign for republicans in the midterm elections and have multiple rallies just like this where this is just going to be
repeated over and over and over and something potentially could happen because you have a mob basically being incited by this rhetoric, chanting build the wall. build the wall is something children are being bullied with that phrase now, latino children in america are getting told, build the wall, as almost like a slur. i'm worried about the fact you have the combination of rallies that he's going to be holding ahead of the midterm elections and this fervor against the media and you're going to have them in the pool at all of these rallies and that is a dangerous combination. >> john. >> last night we saw the emergence of people who ascribe to a conspiracy called q-a non. >> what is that? >> a cornucopia of conspiracy theories many of them are dangerous. >> a tin foil hat, they used to be purged. were they at trump rallies? >> they are out in the open. >> they're at the white house. >> they work at the white house? >> in the oval office we have a
conspiracy theorist. >> that's true. peter baker, how do you cover this president with the appropriate level of skepticism for the 4,229 lies he's told in 558 days? how and why do you continue to go to press briefings when the press secretary lies from that podium day in and day out? >> well, look, you know, obviously that's our job, is to scrutinize what presidents say. your president, ben's president, we did take our responsibility seriously in trying to test what was said by presidents at the podium. try to give additional context if we didn't feel it was being represented in a three dimensional way. you're seeing something different here. this is not an ordinary politician. this is not an ordinary president who spins or, you know, is selective about the truth. what you see here is day after day, tweet after tweet, statement after statement that is just filled with false information, false assertions. and it is a hard thing for journalists because it's not our
job to be the opposition. it's not our job to be nana, pants on fire. it is our job to hold people accountable. when somebody is so off the reservation when it comes to factual statements as this president is, it's a huge challenge. i think the washington post has done a great job with their fact checking tally that they've done. i think the fact checkers we have in the bureau in washington have done a fabulous job with their columns. it us didn't seem to be getting through to a lot of people. that's the real impact of what's going on. >> real quick. >> it is our job to call b.s. when b.s. is out there, a fundamental part of our job, along with afflicting the comfortable. we're luck any this country journalists don't get killed. happens every once in a while. but not that often. in 2017 looking at this over here, there are 46 journalists killed. you get big numbers, too many that are working in dangerous places around the world, or dealing with people like the putin government, or people who
get shot. we don't want america to become that place. and whether the president means to or not, the rhetoric that he espouses is -- it makes it more dangerous and maybe we're lucky and no journalist will get killed because of it. i don't think anybody here wants to be in a position where we're tempting fate and creating an environment that is more hostile, where things are in this hot house world we live in right now. it's so polarized and so venomous and people are going to end up dead. it's not overstating that is a world we could end up in. the president is doing less and that's really irresponsible. >> to a final point, he could turn the heat down in a nanosecond. he could do it in a day. he could make the pivot. >> with his words. >> i would bet my last dollar he wouldn't lose a single one of his supporters. all right, no one is going anywhere. i can't get enough of any of you. when we come back i'll ask ben about his helsinki hang over. welcome to the place...
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ben, i spoke to someone close to donald trump who has long banged me over the head with the he's too incompetent to collude excuse for why he can't be found guilty of collusion. on obstruction, he's like, eh. ten minutes after helsinki, he called me and said, you know what, maybe i was wrong. maybe putin has something on him. what do you think? >> i had the same reaction. you know why? it was the whole week. if you were sitting in the kremlin writing the script for what the president of the united states should do that whole week, you would have him trash our nato allies and cause a crisis in that alliance, go out of your way to pick a fight with angela merkel, go up to the uk and further scramble their politics around brexit. and then tell the whole world you're going to sit alone in a room with vladimir putin for 90 minutes, lavish him with praise and trash your own intelligence community. literally it looked like the russians had scripted not just that meeting but the entire week. i don't know how you possibly explain what leads donald trump
to do that. >> well, try. try. >> the worst case scenario is that there is something going on here. >> i guess like what's second worst? >> the second worst is that donald trump just assumes that he has so many skeletons in his closet -- >> he just hates europe and loves russia? what is second? >> second is that trump knows there are skeletons in his closet, financial and otherwise. he just assumes that putin has that information and could put it out. >> the other is that he's more sympathetic to authoritarians than he is democrats and he looks at putin and says i want to have the kind of money and power that that guy has. he finds him more admirable than he does theresa may or angela merkel. i think it's all of these things, by the way. >> maybe vladimir putin made a hard pitch for that. we don't know what they talked about for two hours so one can only speculate. but i think the idea that he is going to get richer off of these deals that he may be making with putin, i think that's -- it doesn't mean that there's no
tape somewhere, but i think it's really about the money. >> peter baker, jeremy bash on this network made a point when he sort of looked at the fact that donald trump was in a room, as ben just said, alone with vladimir putin and there's a question about whether or not translators were even both in there. that one of the flash points in the mueller investigation is when donald trump cleared the oval office and wanted to be alone with jim comey to askts s sort of above board. they're usually to do something sketchy. >> well, look, one interpretation is, of course, is any president is wary of leaks seem particularly m unusual that this one is clearing the rooms for conversations that seem so problematic, so fraught and so related to this investigation that's going on. it wasn't just that he cleared the room with jim comey of his
aides, he cleared of the attorney general who was jim comey's boss at that time, who tried to stick around. he didn't want the chief of staff ithat kind of conversatio. comey said in his autobiography he had only had two meetings with obama alone ever. one of them was before he was appointed and the other was during the discussion of all these racially charged shootings. and so it's -- it does raise suspicions and that's the one reason why presidents don't do it, because it does raise suspicions. why ask for that kind of chatter out there. you don't know what's happening in that room, and that's what people are going to talk about. >> obama ever clear the room for a one-on-one meeting with an american adversary? >> no. you need somebody in there precisely to be able to read out the meeting to the rest of our government and to our allies. >> and that was obama, not donald trump. >> our allies are wondering what happened in there, did he sell us out?
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>> those who overstayed that's still a problem. the ones have to have round them up ice, tom homan. >> it's a great privilege to come in this country as a refugee nonimmigrant and to knowingly violate laws of this country after being given such a great privilege, that's somebody who needs to leave. they need to remove that privilege and remove them from the united states and send them home. brian: for example iraqi will came here as a refugee which he was just referring to. this iraqi in our country, multiple times including the latest one in colorado shooting a cop. and, yet, we're blaming ice for the people, for him being here. steve: that man's name right there is now charged with attempted murder of a colorado police officer. weighs involved in a shootout recently. here's the thing. there is no reason he should be in the country back in 2016, during the obama administration he was in ice custody, actually. and the courts said you know
of the list. abby: this article sparked our attention, brian. a notre dame professor. so he makes an outrageous claim. he says there is a similarity between soldiers and the media. here is what he said. we thank soldiers for their service because they devote themselves to protecting our freedoms and we should. we should also thank the media for the same reason especially when the stakes have never been higher. that is making the rounds. ben shapiro had his own reaction. here is what he says in response. >> so many members in the media who seem intent on treating the media as a separate class from the rest of americans. this is what americans are responding to. the media don't seem to care when americans are attacked on a regular basis by politicians or when media members attack regular americans on regular basis. real interest lies in self-protection not in standing um for the american people. this is a serious problem. steve: and why is our press free? because the men and women who wear the uniform every day to give us those rights to be able to here at the
couch tell you what's going on for folks in newspapers to write what's going on. but for this professor in management at motor dame to suggest there are parallels between the military and the press, some people have said, really? brian: he hopped on the media is the enemy line. i wish he won't say. to say you are satisfied with the what way other networks and web sites have r. treating you would be accurate as well. that's what the professor is talking about. abby: i have two members in the navy i could not imagine sitting down at the dinner table and say what i do is just as important as do you. they are important on different levels. to sail they are similar in any way. i can't imagine. they would probably be respectful because that's how our military is what they go out and do every day, steve, you said. this they allow us to do what we do. they allow us to sit on this
couch and talk freely they also don't ask what president they are serving they don't get political. brian: it's important did you go to turkey and say something against the turkish government you go to jail. same thing in russia. same thing in china. ask google, can't put certain phrases in order to put google in that country. anything that says anything antigovernment. so, i can see some merit in what he is saying. i don't necessarily see the equation. done correctly, journalism plays a vital role. abby: there are a lot of good journalists throughout that are in harm's way when they're covering war and in dangerous situation we don't want to undermine that to compare the two people need to give that deeper thought. send us what you think at friends@foxnews.com. brian: jillian cannot be compared with anybody. no one like her. jillian mele with the news. jillian: thank you very much. quite an introduction. a manhunt underway in new jersey after two officers
are ambushed at a red light. a gunman opening as many as 25 rounds at the undercover detective. when they were in unmarked car in camden. incredibly both officers have expected to survive. most recent attack comes just hours after an fbi agent was shot trying to arrest a murder suspect in los angeles. that agent is expected to survive. it's been three weeks since mollie tibbets vanished in iowa. this morning we are getting a better glimpse into exactly who she was. a friend posting this video from the day before she disappeared showing the 20-year-old laughing and smiling. this touching video from 2016 also surfacing online showing mollie sharing a personal story about fair during a faith event at her high school. >> i got down and i prayed and i asked god to give mee the strength to make it through it. tell me what to do to help me out with whatever happened and what his plan was. in that moment i knew that was god's moment showing me the power of prayer was really something.
abby: a reward leading to information up to $400,000. first ever medal honoring military dogs. the legs ipresident of the u.s.r dog association ron iello has been trying to make this happen. he says his dog stormy were one of the first 30 marine scout dog teams deployed during the vietnam war. >> i wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for my dog stormy. i can tell you the first patrol i went on she saved my life immediately. there was a sniper in the tree did a right flank and she alerted on the sniper. each branch will canine medal recipients. stormy there. abby: what a great story. brian: stormy back in the news. steve: rahm emanuel with
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values about what is right and what is wrong. what is acceptable. steve: there have you got chicago mayor rahm emanuel on monday blaming gangs for a violent weekend in a city where 12 people were killed and i think over 60 people were shot. next guest says rahm emanuel is one of the people to blame. joining success former police officer and founder of seven star consulting dmitry roberts joins us from our nation's capital. good morning, steve. >> goo this is personal because your brother was shot. >> yes, he was. very unfortunate and very good man. outside of what's happened to me and my family, this is happening for a lot of people on both the south and west sides of chicago. at this point it really has to come to an end. steve: okay. the question is what are we going to do? we have heard a number of prominent democrats in chicago say mr. president, you have to help us because the people in charge here don't know what they are doing. >> i absolutely believe that
the president has the resources. he has the platform and right now he has the voice that can go in and bring some real change to these issues. and, again, i state, this has nothing to do with politics. this has to do with american lives. and some of our most vulnerable citizens in our communities that need to be protected. steve: i heard rahm emanuel say that apparently he and the chief out there are going to rede ploy people who are in the various pry 60's, take them off of one job and put them out on the front lines is that enough? >> no. and that's never been enough. there has been redeployments. i was part of redeployments. that's not enough resources. that's not enough people. that's not going to curb the violence in chicago. it never has and it's not going to do it this time. that's an 11th hour response and that response is just not good enough at this point. steve: if you were advising the president of the united states because as you said it's not a political issue. this is about americans in chicago who are afraid to leave their house for fear that they would wind up getting shot as your brother did and by the way your brother, as you know, lost
his arm in that. what should the president think about doing regarding chicago? >> well, one, more resources. two, at a national level looking at u. not just how these issues are addressed in chicago but how these issues are addressed throughout the nation. these issues are going on in every major city in this country. and it has to be addressed on a national level. i can't stress enough that these underresourced communities are feeling the brunt of what's happening and that has to change. the president can do something about it with the stroke of a pen, as we know. steve: you think the president should visit chicago and even though he is not welcomed by probably rahm emanuel. rahm emanuel you feel will be voted out quickly? >> i think that this is rahm's last stand. and the reason for that is the folks that could have helped rahm stay in office are in the grave imrard, unfortunately. and, yes, the president needs to go there it's his duty and his respondsability to ensure that all americans are protected and taken care of at this point. steve: indeed, all right.
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airport in guadalajara. you ever seeing a picture there. the drugs were headed to the states and worth about $270,000. now to abby. abby: unbelievable. thank you, brian. last week 55 cases of remains believed to be u.s. service members from the korean war arrived in hawaii, the d.n.a. testing began meadly in orde immediateld remains which could take months or years. here from the laboratory is dr. john bird and director of the dod and armed forces director examiner system dr. timothy mcmahon. thank you, very, both for being with us. >> thank you, abby. abby: dr. bird, this is so important to some families what y'all will be doing the next month and over the years. tell us what's sifting through what is in there. this means so much. this is the only country i think would give the respect and proper burial to so many people who served this
country. >> well, it's a very meaningful mission for us. and for me, as a forensic scientist, it's one of the kinds of jobs that you just dream of where you have the opportunity to help families reach closure and to, you know, provide some kind of a service back to these service members who sacrificed their lives in the korean war. it's very meaningful and moving to be a part of it we're here this week for our annual meeting with the families of the missing from the korean war. we have the largest ever turnout and it just brings a lot of joy to all of us involved to be able to talk to these families about the progress that's being made. abby: so much joy to all of those family bringing some real closure. dr. mcmahon, why does it take so as long as. >> we have to take approach
to fit the qualities of the d.n.a. that are coming out. unlike a modern crime scene sample where the d.n.a. is very, very intact and we can get a result in pretty much 24 hours. this d.n.a. has been in the environment 70-plus years and has actually been degraded which we call being chewed up into very, very small pieces. it takes time. we have to do everything in duplicate because the last thing we want to do is give the wrong answer to the family and our addition to aid the dpaa in identification efforts. abby: dr. byrd you were talking about it earlier as doctors you have to be so meticulous. what was going through both of your minds when you saw those 55 cases coming into hawaii. where you had the flag draped over them. as a doctor, knowing what you were about to do what he was going throug, whatwas going. >> a lot of details what we were going to need to do to make sure we are pursuing these identifications as
aggressively as possible. but, at the same time, you know, having had the opportunity to go in to north korea, again, after many years and being able to ride with the remains back, i even was able to help drape the flags over the boxes for the ceremony when we got back to ow osson korea a it's a once in a lifetime experience. tremendous feeling. abby: i can't even imagine. dr. mcmahon, what does it mean to you. >> for me it was very exciting time for the first time since the early 1990s. we are receiving new samples that we'll be able to assist bringing our heroes home giving back to loved ones. all of the scientists in the lab the day they touched down in hawaii, there was an air of reverence and awe in the lab. and then getting ready to do the important mission that we need to do. abby: i also want to remind our viewers of the number to contact d.n.a. sample
location. the contact numbers put on our screen here. a few of them make sure we put them on the website as well. if you are a family member or know someone that might be connected or information d.n.a. please provide those numbers dr. byrd, dr. mcmahon, thank you for being here this morning. and when you do for this country. it's an important role that you play. >> thank you, abby. abby: while some protesters protest during the national anthem. jim brown says why you will never see him kneel. guess who isn't invited to dinner with the democrats? bill clinton that is a tease. we have to explain. first, a very happy birthday to the singer shawn mendes. one of my very favorite turns 21 years old. he is only 20? he has he had an amazing career. he is 20 years old today. happy birthday, sean. shawen.
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♪ i'm walking on sunshine abby: this is so exciting. i have been waiting for this day, janice for a very long time. if you didn't know, janice has been working so hard on a project near and dear to her heart. you can see it there tell us about it janice? janice: it's a memoir that is mostly sunny that's what it's called. brian: sounds french the way you said it memoir. janice: in the book i do talk about micah madian heritage. i do know french. i can speak french. brian: can you? san francisco january i can. not right now. brian: this is not a children's peculiar. this your book. janice: i have written children's books harper collins got in touch with me and said we know have you written children's books but do you have an adult book. i have dealt with challenges in my life. i was diagnosed with m.s. back in 2005. i have realized throughout the years and the challenges
that if you have a sunny outlook on things, you can get through pretty much anything. steve: right. because have you had a lot of rainy days. janice: i have had a few rainy days but you know what the sun always comes out after the storm. i'm excited about. this abby, have you known about this for a while. you know, there is something about writing about your life and realizing the journey that you have been been on and thanking all the people that have helped you along the way. including all of you. there is no bad stories here on the couch. abby: janice, you are one of the sunniest. brian: i'm not getting it. steve: we are all getting it. ache be a the cover is beautiful. every time we all sit down and talk to you we learn something new about you and your life. have you so many stories to tell. just a reminder for people to have an optimistic outlook and you can get through anything. janice: i'm grateful for the people here at "fox & friends" encouraging me. i have been here 15 years there is a research for that you provide me with a sunny outlook. march 2019 you can preorder it i won't be talking about
it for another six months but we wanted to show you the cover. brian: fame musclesly charles barkley wrote a autobiography and said a lot of the stuff wasn't true. janice: this is all true. brian: it's all true. janice: all of it. steve: because you wrote it he may not have written miss own book. abby: was it therapeutic to write? >> absolutely. i'm a kid from ottawa, canada to come here to new york city is a pretty big dream of mine. i'm grateful to all of you and thanks to all the people who have been so supportive. brian: when is it coming out? janice: march of 2019. mostly sunny. that's hopefully out rest of my life. abby: janice, we adore you. we cannot wait for this and to read it congratulations. janice: i can't believe it it's so crazy. brian: generally i don't let abby speak for me but i will. we do adore you. jillian: janice, it is beautiful. i can't wait to read it get
you caught up on news. bill clinton's name is dropped from a democratic fundraiser amid rising pressure from the #me too movement. activists called for the former president's name to be removed from the new hampshire kennedy clinton dinner after he drew widespread criticism over his affair with monica lewenski. the name change dime emphasize the party's commitment to elect democratic women instead of being known as the kennedy clinton dinner. it will now be named after former first lady eleanor roosevelt. anti-trump comedian rosie o'donnell still can't understand why president trump was elected to lead our nation. >> why do you think americans voted for him. >> i think largely because of the celebrity apprentice. i blame mark for creating a false narrative around this man. no one treated him with respect and dignity until this show came on. >> he was always considered a joke and laughing stock before the hit show. the comedian has been feuding with president trump
for years. she led a musical protest at the white house on monday. we telling you about that yesterday. high school students kicked out of class for wearing an nra shirt. one of their mothers says the teacher was way out of line. >> i think is he there to teach. i don't think he is there to discuss his personal beliefs. jillian: two sophomores say they were singled out and given a lecture why guns are bad by teacher in california. the school says the shirt did not right dress code policy. unclear if the teacher will face any consequences. listen to this ♪ might sound crazy ♪ ain't no lie baby bye, bye, bye. >> the way they all became the brady bunch ♪ the brady bunch ♪ jillian: we can't get enough of either of those songs. we now know who the mills industry buyer who is who beat out former nsync member in buying the house hgtv.
they plan to restore the home to its 170s glory. tweeting is he not mad and knows hgtv will, quote, do the right thing with the house. abby: maybe they will make a new show out of it. steve: didn't buy, buy, buy the house. jillian: he didn't b buy, buy, buy the house i'm going to bye-bye bye. brian: is the nfl ever going to solve the problem with taking a knee during the national anthem. you are usually fervent in your belief. when jim brown the legendary running back came out famously stood by muhammed ali when he decided to boycott the vietnam war and kareem gentleman bulcan a this .
steve: he was at the career of hbo's hard knocks. he told this to the associated press. i will never kneel and i will always respect the flag. i'm not going to denigrate my flag and i'm going to stand for the national anthem. i'm fighting with all of my strength to make it a better country but i don't think that's the issue. because what is the top side? are you going to stand up? this is our country, man. we work hard to make it better and that's my attitude. that is the attitude of jim brown. he also says he respects players' rights to do what they feel is right but, when it comes to jim brown, the 82-year-old, you know, keep in mind since he retired from football he has been involved in social justice and change. he says he is always going to stand. abby: really powerful when a voice like that steps up and speaks. as you said, brian, he has been through a lot in this country. and taking a stand and saying it the way that he did, i think it speaks for some people in this country who feel the exact same way. brian: he knows the country
is not perfect. he lived at a time in sir cus black players you stay in a separate holt as white teammates. the white teammates said no, we will stay with you and the rest of our time. kept it together. very divisive time. also a guy who knows that the community teamed together money so he could go to syracuse and they told him he got a full scholarship. they knew once syracuse gave a look at him they did give him a full ride. greatest players ever in lacrosse and football. so he saw the injustice. he also saw the goodness in our country. abby: he still wants to make it better. brian: he does it everyday. abby: this may not be the most productive way to do it. soindz like another book to ride. brian: it's his book. one more thing to this. instead in his twilight years sitting back he goes into prisons and started a program the mayo americana program teaches skills to read, to write, to make a resume.
they get out they get a shot. that program has impressed the president he is taking elements of that and goes into the communities. abby: he went and sat down with the president. let vption that conversation and see if we can move forward together and make some change. steve: jim brown stands for the anthem and that's it. you met these identical twins on "fox & friends." they are political opposites. one is a republican, one is a democrat. they both just ran for office. the results are. in they will join us live coming up. brian: a grouch pastors facing backlash because they met with president trump. that's the story. zachery woods here says the left should want those kinds of meetings to happen. as a democrat he says that ♪ and the world's going to know your name ♪ yeah ♪ how do you win at business?
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accomplishment from the meeting? why does everything break down on politics. joining us is zachery wood the assistant editor at the atlantic and the author of uncensored. meanwhile, zac great to see you. >> great to be here. brian: before i talk to you about your machine on this. i want you to hear the pass for van moody on saturday talk about his meeting with the president and the backlash he face you had. >> one was things that we see through that is that once we get beyond our disagreements, we have got to learn how to come together, find commonality for the common good. and that was the reach i went. brian: that's the reason he went. but the backlash he has gotten has been relentless. he doesn't regret it but he is really upset about it should he be? >> he should be. i think i respect the effort. and i think if you look at the history of this country, you will notice that the progress that we have made with respect to important issues it has always been difficult to achieve, whether you are looking at frederick douglass and abraham lincoln or a. philip randolph and fdr and martin
luther king jr. those are pressing issues of the time and they weren't always easy to have. but we have to make the effort. brian: you have a lot of people line van jones when the white house called me up i have been very critical. but when you talk about prison reform i care more about prison reform than i do politics. what else it going to take. >> if it's about the american people, if it's about addressing issues that are critical in terms of improving their quality of life, then we have to put political differences aside and say we are willing to make an effort to listen and understand. brian: why don't we? >> because we get caught up with the views and values that we hold dear. that makes it very difficult for tours reach across the aisle and say i'm interested in gaining a deeper understanding. brian: i hear this. we don't want to legitimize the president. >> exactly. brian: he won. >> in this case i have to say i respect the effort that he made to bring these leaders together. and you know where i stand. i don't agree with the majority of policies that the administration has. brian: you liberal democrat. >> exactly.
brian: meanwhile, yesterday, we sat down with candace woodowens and charlie kirk and talked to them about being ambushed by antifa. this sadly is becoming video we are seeing every week whether it's sarah huckabee sanders, whether it's kirstjen nielsen trying to have dinner with her husband. what's going on here, zach. >> we see this time and time again. this is an example where we need to be having thoughtful, careful, considerate conversations about difficult issues and why are not able to do that. brian: right. >> this is an example of the worst that we see when it comes to addressing political issues right now. brian: we are at a point where maybe candace and charlie would be engaged on debate on the street. >> that's what we would hope for. brian: water and eggs and whistle and bull horn harass them. >> have you two college professors right now and you know i have been in the free speech for a long time now.
cornell west and robert george. robert george known conservative cornell west a leftist. they are going around the country and traveling and speaking about the most important issues and the value of listening and learning and higher education. brian: do you feel backlash when you listen and learn and don't attack back at republicans. >> i definitely feel backlash from my side of the aisle. brian: the book came out talks about that. >> exactly. brian: jim brown comes out and talking about the activist from the 60's i stand for my country. kaepernick says i take a knee for my country. what does zach stand. >> i will stand. i will always stand. i understand the right of someone to make a different decision i believe it's protected by the first amendment. brian: zachr. wood. >> thanks for having me. >> we will do nothing cooperatively with ice if they do any criminal acts which a police force can do,
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live in the same area so i do not have to vote for her. steve: right. >> but i will say this. i will say that i am glad that there were a large number of individuals who came out and exercised their right to vote. steve: do you know what is amazing about you ladies. your story came out and we had you on a couple weeks ago talking about how you are political opposites you are from the same family and able to get along. i understand you told one of our producers yesterday that after had you begun speaking out about the red and the blue and the differences, families have come up to you and said, you know what? your message is so inspiring we are getting back together after hating each other's guts for a while. >> yes. that is so empowering. and we are so excited for that to happen. and if we can be that inspiration, then let's go for it. abby: why aren't we seeing that more. you mentioned bird. you are rare birds today. we don't see people from opposite ends of the political spectrum being
able to sit down and have a civil conversation. what advice do you have to people today to be able to do that? >> you know, take this one and get out of your feelings. we are so involved in our emotions and how we feel that we're not thinking of the other person, that we're not thinking of the end results and goals. >> we need to be solution oriented and solution-based and not just all the knee-jerk reactions based on the emotions and feelings that we have towards one party or the other. the president or whatever the situation is. steve: we have got to look at your family and figure out what your parents did to raise two people who have different points of view but can get along around the dinner table. >> we have amazing parents and, you know, they used to make us do debates against each other. we had something called an encyclopedia back then and the almanac and things like that. if we had an issue with each other. mom and dad would say write
it down, do your homework and then we would come back together but at the end of the day mom never let us fight. we would debate but we have to have a solution at the end of the day. abby: i love your message about the bird. the bird has a left wing and right wing. how often do we forget we are all in the same country. we are all fighting for the same thing. we all want at the end of the day to have our freedoms and to live in the best country in the world. how often we forget that. >> absolutely. >> i'm sorry? abby: i say how often we forget that such a gee good reminder. >> it is. it is. and with shows like, this taking the positive high road approach, this is just what our country needs. steve: all right. abby: good luck. steve: jessica ann tyson the republican and -- the democrat. next stop november. >> thank you. thank you so much. abby: coming up on the show, a professor claims a journalist are just like soldiers. one veteran who has done both jobs is now outraged.
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are the most at risk for severe illness. help prevent this! talk to your doctor or pharmacist today about getting vaccinated against whooping cough. brian: the house special election in ohio still too close to call at this hour but we do have a leader. >> republican troy balderson and democrat danny o'connor are separated by less than a point. steve: come out with a poll the top problem in the united states is immigration. democrats don't like the immigration crackdown. >> i will do nothing cooperatively with ice. i have said if they do any criminal acts we will take criminal action. >> chicago de ploying hundreds of police officers to combat rising gun violence. chicago mayor rahm emanuel blames gun violence and witnesses staying silence. >> we have evidence that bruce ohr was working hand in hand with christopher steele. >> there was over 60 different contacts made
between bruce ohr and christopher steele trying to get dirt on this president. brian: some football players protest during the national anthem jim brown miss message. steve: i'm not going to denigrate our flag i'm going to stand for the national anthem ♪ who says you can't go home ♪ who says you can't go home. steve: well, bon jovi who lives across the river from us here in manhattan stinging about you can't go home. apparently he and his son have a new ro rosea line we got the email blast from sue leonard. abby: he should send us some and see if it's any good. brian: do you feel resentful to your dad for showing up
and taking the spotlight away? abby: you are grateful for him because he gave you an opportunity. can you see it both ways. brian: i think they needs therapist to understand how great his dad is. abby: i need one too because i sit next to brian every day. brian: once in a while you do. abby: good morning. steve: that's right abby is in, ainsley is off. we start this hour with a fox news alert. the special election in ohio in the 12th district still too close to call at this hour. brian: right now president trump's pick is inches closer to victory results in four of the primaries also are coming. in. abby: griff jenkins is live to break it all down. >> don't pop the cork on the bottle bon jovi wine in ohio. the president is trying to give it to his candidate it is too close to call. republican troy baltdz and democrat danny o'connor separated by less than a point. barltdz balderson leading by just over 1700 votes. >> america is on the right
path and we're going to keep it going that way. >> we made our case for change. we're going to make that case tomorrow. we're not stopping now. >> ohio's secretary of state says there are still some 8,000 absentee ballots to be tallied. the election board began counting those. to kansas we go and the republican primary for governor also too close to call. president trump's pick of secretary of state kris kobach with a razor then lead over jeff collier that would be a major primary upset. over in michigan congratulations to bill schuette who won the g.o.p. primary for governor predicting a big win in november where schuette will face democrat state legislator gretchen whitmore. interesting to note he defended the sanders alexandria ocasio-cortez will face debbie stabenow. calling james the future star of the republican party and finally we end in the
show me state. the president's last tweet of the night going to the attorney general who won there. congratulations to josh hawley on your big senate primary win in missouri. i look forward working with you toward a wig bin in november. we need you in washington. holly faces incumbent democrat claire mccass skill in november. that's one of the many hotly contested senate races. while it's hot in august it feels like we are already in november. brian: good job, griff. appreciate it we owe you a big favor for doing that because we didn't want to. steve: we owe him a favor for doing his job? brian: oh, sorry. what he said about josh hawley is good. he is the best opponent that the senator mccaskill has ever faced. for some reason she has had soft opponents over the years. she is going to be in for it. she tried to do -- i understand she tried to do an rv tour in a plane. abby: how did that work? brian: how do you touch people in a plane. steve: it was a little -- and they have been tagging her with that as well.
he made the point out in kansas if the candidate out there, the secretary of state, if he is able to pull it through, at the last minute, kris kobach, that would be extraordinary because donald trump is the one who said at the 11th hour with mr. kobach in the back of the pack, in the polls, said he is my guy. and so if he were to win, that would be big. abby: everyone was watching the race in ohio in that 129 district. a big take away was democrat o'connor 31 years old. not only new fresh face for the party. he had a different strategy than we have seen from other democrats in the country. steve: being republican. abby: not anti-trump candidate. he ran on the issues. he gave voters an insight into what he wanted. steve: he was very moderate. abby: he was. the interesting thing balderson it was a lot closer than it probably should have been. however it ends, if balderson pulls through in the end and gets to the finish line it will be because president trump went to ohio and campaigned for him it still matters to be a
good candidate. you still have to be liked. i'm not sure that he had that at the end of the day. steve: the thing though with 100% of the precincts reporting, the republican is slightly ahead. the big question is with those 3300 provisional ballots that they are going to be counting in the next day or two, who is more motivated to vote early? was it the democrats or was it the republicans? i mean, the president went in at the last moment. so maybe it was the democrats, which could turn that around. it's still too close to call. brian: a couple things also to think about, the democrats keep getting close. and they are -- pick up, i think karl rove did the math five points in every one of these races. the only one they won was that one district in pennsylvania. they are going to have a re-match in november. these same two guys. only have the job a couple months and go earn it again. the question is are these candidates going to be able to define themselves, aside from getting money and the fame and the proceeds from --
prestige from being on stage with president trump. separate themselves. george stephanopoulos said we were afraid of a refused wave so we went with bill clinton out everywhere. after a few months it became clear we were hurting the candidate. so we had to pull back. i'm wondering now do these men and women have to earn it themselves? abby: yeah. what will the democratic party look like in the end? because right now you are seeing two different versions of that party. you are seeing alexandria ocasio-cortez and. brian: elizabeth warren. abby: and o'connor. the guy in pennsylvania much more moderate version. what will the party in 2020 be? if they want to be successful i think the answer is pretty clear. see what they go with. a lot of them are talking about sanctuary cities, abolishing ice and immigration continues to be the top of voter's minds when they go to the polls. steve: it does indeed. a lot of people have been troubled by what looks like happened at the department of justice and the fbi. in spying on donald trump. john solomon over at the
hill has apparently gotten some -- a look at some emails between christopher steele, he is the guy who put together the dossier that was unverified for the most part. and bruce ohr. a high ranking department of justice official. and the email show chris steele that guy right there. secretly funneled information to the fbi through that second man you just saw there, bruce over. the department of justice official even after steele was fired. even after it was clear he could not continue to funnel information to the fbi. he did. brian: here is an example of the text messages between them. steele andor are speaking. just want to check you are okay because sally yates was fired. still in the situation and able to help locally as discussed. locally meaning in britain? i'm still here and able to help as discussed or came back with i will let you know if that changes. steele replied this. if you end up out though, i
really need another bureau question mark contact point number for someone who is briefed. steve: right. the other thing, keep in mind. brian: what is that about? steve: there is bruce ohr. his wife nellior worked for fusion gps. they are the people who were spreading the disinformation. so, bruce ohr, nellior, they are married. still working with chris steele. mark meadows, the republican from the great state of north carolina says this is a big problem. >> bruce ohr, who was with the department of justice actually was working as a go between, between them and the fbi. now, what we're also seeing is we're not talking about one or two or three contacts. there was over 60 different contacts made between bruce ohr and christopher steele trying to get dirt and actually sell dirt on this president. and we also have text messages now that confirm
that peter strzok actually worked with bruce ohr. so it's -- it's amazing that it has taken so long for this to come out. brian: the fbi and britain intelligence working together against a sitting president or president-elect? abby: to his point, why are we just hearing about this now? when you ride the president's tweets, there is a reason why he is so frustrated where we are. steve: sure. abby: what went on in the early days of the campaign. this is not the role of the justice department to do. steve: and the problem to your earlier question why are we just hearing about it now? because the department of justice and the fbi have been slow-rolling. this they have been stonewalling. just now congressional investigators are getting a look at these things. isn't this interesting? nellior, the wife, met with her husband and chris steele the day before operation crossfire hurricane was officially launched by the fbi. abby: steve, just a coincidence. brian: good news for chuck grassley. he can't get christopher steele to sit down with him.
but he is getting the dialogue and the testimony of christopher steele, speaking in britain on a buzzfeed case so the buzzfeed lawyers are going to allow that testimony to be ferried over to grassley and see if he can get some questions answers. steve: it's a video deposition and going to answer a lot of questions. abby: what's your thoughts on that? friends@foxnews.com. go over to jillian for headlines. jillian: following headlines out of new jersey. a fox news alert. a manhunt underway right now after two officers are ambushed at a red light. a gunman firing as many as 25 rounds at the undercover detectives in an unmarked car in camden. incredibly, both officers are expected to survive. we will be live in camden with an update on the story at the both hour. make sure you stay tuned for that this most recent attack on cops comes hours after a fbi agent shot trying to arrest a murder suspect.
is he expected to survive. mollie tibbets vanished in iowa three weeks ago. a friend posted this video the day before she disappeared showing the 20-year-old laughing and smiling. mollie's aunt sharing a video from 2016 when she spoke at a faith event. >> i got down and i prayed and i asked god to give meet strength to make it through it tell me what to do to help me out with whatever happened and to know what his plan was. in that moment i kind of knew that was god's way of showing the power of prayer was really something. jillian: the reward for information leading to mollie is over $300,000. today, a family will receive dog tags found with the remains of a fallen u.s. soldier sent from north korea. that sentimental item will be presented this morning to the soldier's sons. during that ceremony at the pentagon, we will also hear an update on the remains of the service members back home on american soil. lone survivor marcus
luttrell is helping a man who saved his life. former navy seal putting out the call to save money for david bo ramsey. he led the seem team of green berets who pulled luttrell off a mountain in afghanistan. is he paralyzed after a horrific motorcycle crash in may. luttrell wants to help his family build a wheelchair accessible home. go fund me page has been set up online. to say donate can you head to "fox friends@foxnews.com. steve: marcus luttrell is unbelievable. brian: said it's going to take 80,000 the. i saw that number unless it increased 36. abby: we will get that go fund me site on our site. steve: that guy was left to die. abby: is he a hero is he. steve: yes, it is former mayor admits to stealing taxpayer dollars. now he wants the public to bail him out. have you got hear this story. brian: one comparing journalists to service members. one veteran who has done both jobs wants to weigh in. he is outraged.
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isn't the enemy, it is the protector. joseph holt writes, quote: we thank soldiers for their service because they devote themselves to protecting our freedoms and we should. but we should also thank the media for the same reason, especially when the stakes have never been higher. our next guest is a marine veteran who has done both jobs and he is here to set the record straight. dave brooks is editor for the daily caller news foundation also served in the marine corps for six years. as i said you have been in both roles in your life. when you saw this op-ed, and you read that comparison, what did you think? >> well, let's start with the obvious point. the vast majority of journalists didn't sign up to protect our nation and values. and this professor wasn't even talking about journalists who do put themselves in harm's way. he was talking about white house reporters who go to the press briefings and instead of asking questions, they pull out a soapbox and
deliver sermons until sarah sanders shuts them down and head to twitter like personal diaries and make the stories about themselves. after that they want to go to the trump rallies and when they get heckled by the president's supporters they act like they are marching the bawttle of fallujah. abby: this is close to my heart. i have two brothers in the navy who have serving. they hate when i bring them up because that is who they are. they are so humbled. never lost on me, dave, what they do what they sacrifice every day allows me to do my job. it allow me to be in front of this camera right now and to speak my mind. they are the ones out there fighting for our freedoms. what can we learn? what can our industry today learn from our brave men and women who serve? >> you make a good point. a lot of us are very awkward talking about our service. many of us, myself included never saw themselves in the line of fire. never had to fire their weapon in combat. but we went to our jobs
every day and we tried to do what we could do and we, the military are better placed an they found it. the difference being is a lot of these journalists out there right now. especially white house reporters who want to grandstand and make the stories all about themselves, they could take a lesson from that and you know, i write for a military satire site called did you feel blog. we thank for service all the time in self-deposit prix indicated manner so we don't get too self-inflated egos. that's the problem right now these journalists wanting to be thanked who go out and seek the self-adulation goes on sense of worth. abby: no by lines on the battlefield. they stand up for that flag so honorably. thank you for coming on. rahm emanuel using every excuse for the surge in violence across chicago. one former chicago officer says no more excuses. it is finally time for some action. you're going to hear from
him just ahead. plus, football legend jim brown taking a stand for the national anthem saying you will never see him kneel. what the super bowl winning coach tony dungy think about that? we're going to ask him. we're going to ask him. there he he's up next.
i believe brian kilmeade had one of them. brian: i had a 1969 one. the chassis cracked. thanks for bringing it up, steve. steve: never mind. finally two. that's how many teams are welcoming mayor cheerleaders this season. the rams and new orleans saints have preseason games tomorrow. stand by for that. brian: excellent. abby: thank you, steve. while some football players continue to kneel for the national anthem. one hall of famer making his message clear in a message to protesters. jim brown says i will never kneel and i will always respect the flag. i'm not going to denigrate my flag. i'm going it stand for the national anthem. i'm fighting with awful my strength to make it a better country. but i don't think that's the issue because what is the top side? are you not going to stand up? this is our country, man, we work hard to make it better and that is my attitude. brian: here so-to-weigh in is tony dungy and he was kind enough to bring his wife laura dunningy. great to see both of you.
>> thank you. nice to be here. brian: first time have you been on the couch together. >> it is the first time. brian: austin plays fair and maria finds courage. two books to send message to kids about values, right? >> we are excited about our books. they were released yesterday. and sports related stories that kids can relate to. they can see themselves in the story because the kids face challenges that they all face when they are playing the game of sports. steve: you know what, tony, these could become a best seller just if you sell to the kids at your house. [laughter] >> get each one of them to buy one we are good. brian: 10 kids. >> 10 kids. abby: such big hearts. i come from a family two of my sisters are adopted. it's a wonderful thing. i know that's a passion of yours. >> yes, it is a passion. abby: give us your thoughts, coach, on the anthem. we were just talking about the hall of famer and people speaking out right now. what do you make of what's going on? >> well, first of all, i know a lot of these outcome
men and theyoungmen they are tra voice for people who don't have a voice. that's what the bible tells to us do. i respect that i respect jim brown's position. i think if i were still coaching what i would do is tell my players, let's come in and talk. tell me your issues. what you're upset about. give me some solutions. i will give you 10 minutes of my press conference every week so that can you get that voice. you want to be a voice, i will give you a platform. let's work together on this. maybe not use the three minutes before before the game during the national anthem. let's use a time where can you get your voice really heard and let people know what the issues are. brian: you don't hide from the issues. you know in america there are issues of social justice that need to be addressed. you know athletes have a lot of power and fame and should use it and so, tony, if you are -- you were a player and a coach. if you are a player, would you be standing -- if you are a coach, would you be standing? >> i would stand because i
personally think that's the way to go. i know my dad was in the service. he was in the military. that's why he fought. that's why he enlisted in world war ii to give us the freedom of choice to do what we think is best. but what i would do is get with my fellow teammates and my fellow coaches what's going to be the best way, the most effective way to get this out? and that's where i think we haven't done a good job. the nfl and the players come together. let's talk about solutions and how can we get this out. but, one thing, brian, these guys are not unpatriotic. they are not standing against our country. they are standing against what's -- kneeling against what's wrong in the country. abby: what do you teach your kids about this? >> my kids understand the story and the situation. but they also are understanding that they have to have respect for the team and for what's being taught, you know there. steve: do you think jerry
jones? dallas has the right approach if you are going to play for the cows you are going to stand with your toes on the line. >> he has the ability to run his team the way he wants to run it. if i'm working for him toy v. to abide by his rules. steve: it's a job. >> it's a job. i understand it i personally wouldn't do it that way. if i everywhere the coach i would talk to my guys and say you have the freedom to do it but let's think about why. i understand that. brian: let's talk about two controversial subjects austin and maria. [laughter] in austin the theme is austin plays football one problem his team has lost six games in a row i guess in the end he quits and plays another sport? [laughter] >> not exactly. brian: have you him stick it out? >> he has wonderful coaches that walk alongside of him and support him. >> we happen to be the coaches by the way. >> we are the coaches and we are there to instill good values and just encourage them to do the right thing. and that's important. and many kids face those situations where they are not sure what to do. what's the best way to
handle this situation? tone tone the teammate that says we can win by cheating. they can figure out if they are going to play by the rules. brian: maria wants to play soccer. >> she wants to play soccer but hesitant because it's a new sport. not sure if this is the game for her. but with the encouragement of her coaches, again, she is out there and she plays and does well. brian: brand new book series came out this week. congratulations to both of you. >> thank you. brian: if you want the opportunity to be in the next book what do you. >> contest to severe your chilto enter yourchild. you can be a character. brian: who wouldn't want to be a character. brian: when the season starts you don't see him again he will be on the road broadcasting with nbc. >> thank you. ainsley: two police detectives ambushed now a massive manhunt is underway. we are live on the ground there that's next.
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last year was a bad year across the nation. already just one shy of an officer being killed to tie last year's awful year. so, this year is getting even worse. fortunately, these two detectives are going to survive. they were just both shot in the arm and hand. man and woman. undercover cops. undercover car. and a guy at a red light just starts blasting at them through their windshield. the police chief held a news conference after this happened at 8:30 on national night out while cops in camden four different locations trying to build community trust, this happens. >> they were essentially ambushed. a male walked up and began opening fire. our officers have non life-threatening injuries. but not for the grace of god to be quite frank. the amount of rounds fired at close range. >> and so, they got a good look at this white van. and they also got some good shots at it they think it has bullet holes in it. it came back as a
registration in a philly suburb. put the bulletin out for philly police to be on the lookout for it may have clipped one of the guys. may be blood in the van once they find it dumped somewhere. also an alert out for the hospital. this should tell every law enforcement officer what they already know that they are targets in this day and age. guys? steve: steve kealy live in camden. was this random or targeted since they were in an unmarked car. do we know. >> they won't foe for sure when they catch this guy. often when you are under i don't cover under cover buy or busted somebody before, chances are you are recognized especially in a smaller city like camden. thought they were a couple on the street and road wage case. for some reason the cops think this shooter knew they were cops by what happened here. abby: steve kealy thanks for that live report. brian: as you know jillian you are from philadelphia do you know steve. jillian: i do know steve.
abby: is he fun. jillian: he is fun. brian: do you have a rivalry because i'm sensing something. jillian: no. we are all philly people. get you caught up on news right now. starting in chicago. because chicago de ploying 600 police officers to combat rising gun violence. former chicago police officer dmitry roberts joined us earlier saying it's not enough. >> that's not resources. that's not enough people and that's not going to curb the violence in chicago. it never has and it's not going to this time. that's an 11th hour response and that response is just not good enough at this point. jillian: at least 12 people were killed and 70 injured in shootings in chicago over the weekend. chicago mayor rahm emanuel blames gang violence and witnesses staying silent within those communities. the governor of new york is once again threatening ice and refusing to work with
them. >> i will do nothing cooperatively with ice. that they do any criminal acts, which a police force can do, we will take criminal action. >> democrat andrew cuomo also says he thinks ice's actions are, quote, politically motivated by president trump. an off duty coast guardsman saves a man's life on his wedding day. take a look. the groom was taking photos on a beach in alabama. when someone alerted the couple about a struggling swimmer. zac edward's new wife mead told him to jump in the water. >> went to take off his bottoms. you don't have time. the guy was drifting farther and farther out. >> don't worry about your pants. just go. you have to listen to your wife because otherwise you are in trouble. jillian: new mrs. edwards says she got a package deal a hubby and a hero. that's great. herd of cows steer police to a suspect on the run. >> if you see the large grouch cows there, they are literally following her and chasing her.
jillian: the udd early awesome video show the cows corralling the woman after she jumped out of the stolen car and ran into pasture. the police moooving onto the woman if you will. arresting her and two others. i love adding cheesy lines into funny videos. abby: you are really good at it too, jillian. jillian: and be dramatic with it. brian: coming up later the farm report with jillian. let's see if she can adjust. abby: out to janice that lightning and thunder last night was unbelievable in new york. janice: it was crazy. unfortunately we had injuries. the national weather service always says when thunder roars, stay indoors. that's a smart phrase. hi, what's your name? >> frank. janice: where are you from. >> charlotte, north carolina. janice: what do you think of the weather here. >> better than yesterday but it's been a swamp like it has in charlotte. janice: something that swamp. have you had breakfast yet.
>> no. >> take your order. >> thank you for coming by the way. you only need one friend. 88 in providence is the daytime high today. it's going to be swampy like along the coast line. a lot of humidity. so just take precautions. make sure you are drinking lots of liquids, bring the kids indoors, airconditioning and pets and check on the elderly. last 24 hours we did have strong thunderstorms. we could have storms today as well and through the weekend because we have this trough in place along the northeast parts of the midwest as well. this is hurricane hector, my friends. still a category 3 major hurricane moving south of hawaii which is good news. still see some impacts. here are daytime highs today. a lot of 90's on the map and going to be humid. do you want to say hi to somebody at home. >> say hi to my daughter sophia, miss you. janice: breakfast on you? >> you got it. janice: we're taking orders. back inside: you have one friend outside. you just asked him to go get you breakfast. janice: or should i be paying?
abby: right thing to do. janice: how about brian? can brian pay? brian: if she only had pockets she would be able to. all right. thanks, guys. abby: thanks, janice. brian: democrats and the left slamming trump for policies. the says the president is absolutely rights exclamation point. he joins us next. steve: back to school, lap desk for more than 60% off. meghan has that coming up ♪ ♪ (burke) at farmers, we've seen almost everything
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going mogul drug score giant cvs health planning to diagnose illnesses through smart phone app. launching a nationwide service to treat minor medical issue. each video visit will cost $59. steve? steve: all right, jillian, thank you. nengs guest immigrated to new york from gu guyana. he waited for his have as so-to-come. the hard decisions they had to make including leaving a sick child behind and the hours of studying that they had to do to pass the naturalization test. in a new op-ed he explains why that experience shows him president trump is right on immigration. writing, quote. today, if somebody hops the u.s. border and gives birth to a child that child gets the exact same benefit that took my child 8 years to achieve. that's a huge flaw in our immigration system. the author of that op-ed joins us right now, neil gouveia is a higher
education fundraiser and he joins us live in new york. neil, good morning to you. >> thank you. thank you for having me here. steve: what a story you have got. when you were a child your parents decided we are going to take a risk and go to the united states they had nothing but did it anyway. >> absolutely. america is a land of opportunities and this is a place where we could create our own destiny. definitely worth it. steve: when they came here from guyana, they decided rather than just melt into the landscape, and hide, we're going to do it the right way? >> absolutely. you follow the rules there was no skipping the line. there was a lot of patience. and so we just had to really pick our time and let things unfold. steve: why did they decide we are going to follow the rules? we're going to sign the guest book? we're going to wait it out? >> that was the only option. we wanted to be productive members of society. we came to assimilate. i want great. we wanted to be members of the american culture. steve: in the beginning it was tough. i think i read that your father died when you were 9 years old. he was a cleaner and he sold fruit and he lived a tough
life. but it was all to get you kids ahead. >> it was actually my little sister eventually passed away who we had to leave behind. she initially wasn't able to come to the united states because there is a strict physical you have to go through to come to the united states. so initially she didn't make it, so we had to make that journey to bring her back the legal way, you know, taking the proper steps. once she was here in the united states she eventually passed away. still a journey we had to take. steve: tell us why you feel as an immigrant who did it the right way the president is right on immigration? >> well, it's really important to enforce that this is a country of rule and laws. and we have to let people know that, you know, these rules were set up so they could be followed. we -- people like me and my family, we took -- we took the long way but we had to be really patient about it. but, this is the way to do it. there is no other way. if you want to be productive members of society in this country, you have to just follow the guidelines.
steve: you live in new york city. and you have a conservative point of view. where did that come from? >> well, this all happened in 2016 when i just started like thinking for myself. looking through a different outlook. meeting a lot of the conservatives. i realized conservatives aren't out to get me. they don't want certain ideologies forced upon them. so through dialogue and exchange i realized i actually have a lot in common with this group of people. steve: sure. the u.s. congress had a chance to do something in the past year on immigration reform. obviously, you want more people to come to the united states legally. but, right now, the system is screwed up. >> absolutely. i think what president trump is suggesting is actually these are things already practiced in australia and canada. merit-based immigration system where you invite people over t who want to embrace our ways of life, our values, which are very important in addition to having skills that fit the society. steve: you are proud to be an american, can i tell. >> absolutely, hard core.
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♪ steve: the house special election in ohio, in the 12th district still too close to call. republican troy balderson and democrat danny o'connor separated less than a point. >> op-ed says the press is not the enemy. it is protecter. notre dame professor says journalists are like soldiers. >> that is disservice to servicemen and women and those that signed up to protect the nation. >> investigation underway after two officers are ambushed. >> cops in camden four different locations trying to build community trust. >> according to economists the upper middle class is actually growing but according to alexandria ocasio-cortez it is a thing of the past. >> i think that politically, this upper middle class doesn't exist anymore. >> jim brown taking a stand for
the national anthem saying he will never kneel. what does tony dungy think about that. >> i would personally stand. that is the way to go. ♪ steve: those are the guys who actually figure out what to put on television from our control room, our high def control room in fox news channel. each and every day they look at all the television screens, they figure out what the best picture is. they decide this one is. abby: can you imagine if we ran the show. brian: i feel like i make most of the decisions. abby: glad you feel that way. [buzzer] brian: thank you very much. by the way they start with color bars. they fill up that whole thing. steve: what does that mean?
brian: color bars we start with the three-hour show. little by little. steve: we have color bars on the switcher. technical director push the button for a second. that is what they look like. brian: when they walk in, that is what they have. they fill it up with stuff. steve: figure out how to start the day. abby: they dive to be called out. they are wonderful at their jobs. steve: we thank you they have very much. 8:02 fox news alert. abby: we call it winning wednesday. fox news alert. all eyes on this. the house special election in ohio. it is still too close to call at this very hour. steve: president trump's pick, that man there, he appeared with him in ohio is inching closer to victory. results in four other state primaries we have for you. brian: our producers paid griff jenkins to update us what happened last night. hey, griff. reporter: no winner in ohio,
twice. it i too close to call. republican troy balderson and democrat danny o'connor are separated by one point. balderson leading by 1700 votes. >> america is on the right path and what going to keep it going that way. >> we made our case for change. we'll make that case tomorrow. we're not stopping now. reporter: 8,000 provincial and absentee ballots yet to be counted. they begin to count those august 18th. grab toto. republican primary for governor too close to call. kris kobach with a razor thin lead against incumbent governor, jeff koller. that would be a major upset. president trump tweeting congratulations to bill shuete. president trump predicting a big win for him in november and
returning of car companies. and john james who the president calls a future star of the republican party, will face democratic incumbent debbie stabenow. in the show-me state, the president's last tweet of the night, congratulations to josh hawley on your big senate primary win. i look forward to working with you on a big win in november. we need you in washington. hawley faces democrat claire mccaskill in november. one of the most contested democratic races. will the wave be red or blue? anybody's guess? 14 primaries until november. steve: 100% precincts reported in the 12th district of ohio. it is coming down to the provisional ballots. the big question who was able to motivate people to do early voting, would it be danny o'connor, the democrat or troy balderson who leads by just a little bit as you can see right there. abby: this should not have even been a close race. you look at that district.
since 1940 one time it has gone blue. this is reminder i think, brian, should set off alarm bells, even if he pulls through the finish line, you can't just have the trump name next to you. you have to be a good candidate. someone that connects with the people. brian: the trump name saved him. but in most cases these candidates will have to run hard. there is no lay-ups in this election cycle. seems as though the republicans are running about five point deficit everywhere. democrats almost won in georgia. almost won in montana. almost won in south carolina. money came in and seats were saved. they lost the pennsylvania 12th district. almost won this one. but in the end will not get them majority. they have to pull out victories. not get close. steve: strategy in this particular 12th district of ohio, danny o'connor ran as
moderate. did not demonize trump voters. the republicans were trying to demonize nancy pelosi. danny o'connor, if you win, would you vote for nancy pelosi to be speaker? and he kind of waffled on it for a little while. eventually said i will support whoever leadership is. they were trying to nationalize her with him. an right now he is losing by a little bit but still 3300 ballots to be counted. brian: nobody thinks he ran as liberal or socialist. alexandria ocasio-cortez believes she won the district in new york because she is a socialist and a liberal. no one really wanted her in that district because he had to pose himself as a moderate. makes you wonder if her message is resonating. she is getting a lot of fame. we're hearing a lot more about her. abby: she has ideas about saving america. here is what she said recently. >> a lot of folks in the political heyday in third way 90
politics and they were campaigning and really kind of, connected most to an electorate fighting for these seats. when they got the seats when we had more of american middle class. i think that politically, this like upper middle class is probably more moderate but that upper middle class doesn't exist anymore in america. steve: that is the problem. keep in mind, she in the past said look the reason unemployment is so low because people have two or three jobs and working 70 or 80 hours per week which a number of fact finders found as pants on fire lie. when you look what she said the upper middle class is gone, look at this 1979, it was 12.9%. if we put up the graphic. today the middle class has grown, more than double from that many years ago. brian: went out of the way to
put down democrats. joe manchin in tough fight. democrats in their states. we need better champions for the works class. thanks, appreciate it. if you're a democrat, wow. i lost my fastball. time has passed me by, i'm not good for the working class. thanks for being in the corner. abby: there are two democratic parties we're seeing. ocasio cortez, elizabeth warren. cory booker is there wants to run in 2020. feels only way to get through the primary process to appeal to the far left-wing voter. if you want to win the general election is that the right strategy. o'connor 31-year-old in ohio, his strategy was running to the middle. there is big middle in the country often gets missed, if democrats go all the way to the left good luck. brian: they have to get off the stage. donald trump got off the stage at number one.
they have 20 people going for this. how do you get off the stage, maybe the most different, radical thing possible? steve: we'll talk more about politics with pete hegseth in the next segment. we want to tell you what a management professor at notre dame, joseph holt wrote. he did an op-ed. he said this. we thank soldiers for their service they devote themselves to protecting freedoms and we should. we should thank the media for the same reason especially when the stakes have never been higher. abby: that is causing a lot of people to scratch their heads this morning. a lot of folks in the media an journalists it is not always safe and doing a very important job for this country, but when you compare the two, i spoke earlier this morning, two brothers in the navy serving, he if i sit down at dinner table say my job is the same as yours, i can't imagine doing that. they would be retech re--
respectful. they allow us to do our job, allow us to sit on the couch. dave brooks on the show last hour. he was former marine vet. he is now at "the daily caller." he has worn both shoes in his life. here is what he said about the comparison. >> professor wasn't even talking about journalists who do put themselves in harm's way. he was talking about white house reporters who go to the press briefings, instead of asking questions, they pull out a soapbox and deliver sermons until sarah sanders shuts them down. they head to twitter like personal diaries make stories about themselves. after that they want to go by the trump rallies get heckled by president's supporters act like they're in the battle of fallujah. that does a disservice for those that signed up to protect the nation. steve: facebook and tweet us because we read it all day long. abby: there is no byline on the battlefield.
you don't know the names often times of men and women. it is not about them ever. brian: i know jillian's name. jillian. jillian: good morning. abby: that was really good toss. jillian: how are you? brian: good. jillian: we continue to follow the story of mollie tibbetts. it has been exactly three weeks since mollie tibbetts vanished iowa. a friend posting this video from the day before she disappeared showing the 20-year-old laughing and smiling. mollie's aunt sharing a video from 2016 when she spoke at a event. -- faith event. >> i prayed god give me the strength to make me through it. tell me what to do. help me out with whatever happened. in that moment i kind of feel god was showing me power of prayer was something. jillian: reward for information leading to mollie is over $300,000.
big move to bring home an american pastor held in turkey. fox news confirms a turkish delegation is meeting with state department officials in washington to discuss ongoing tensions, including sanctions, punishing turkey for holding andrew brunson. he is accused supporting a coup in turkey in 2016 brunson denies the accusations. tension in the paul manafort trial is rising, the prosecutor so frustrated with judge that he tiered up. rick gates will be on the stand. he acknowledged having an affair. he admitted embezzling money from manafort his former business partner. he pleaded not guilty. hilarious first day of school picture going viral. take a look, that is sergeant nathan kendrick with a spider-man lunch box and pretty embarrassed look on his face. maybe just shy. the shelby county sheriff's office sharing photo on kendrick's first day on the job
as a school resource officer. isn't that great? steve: spider-man lunch box with writing on it? brian: do they make therm most with glass inside jell jill i have one with metal inside. brian: now you have to worry that they will smash it and drinking glass. don't drop those because they have a glass thermos. abby: brian, we want live in a what-if world. tony dungy is taking a stand for the flag. one florida restaurant is taking a stand of their own. they are joining us live next. steve: what does pete hegseth think of the results from the primary elections last night? come on up, pete. you're next on "fox & friends". a scratch so small
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>> 1700 vote margin. over 3,000 provisional ballots outstanding. 5000 outstanding absent tee ballots. question who cuts for. there was energy for early voting. hope on danny o'connor. if you have 1hundred point lead with 100% of votes in be usually that holds. it was a victory for balderson, moral victories are thin for democrats. democrats are trying to claim a moral victory here. ultimately what matters who wins. they're pointing to conor lamb. that is type of pennsylvania wins in pennsylvania. that is greater upset. that was r plus 21 district. steve: conor lamb ran as republican even though he is democrat. >> as well as danny o'connor. steve: lightning round in my home state of kansas. kris kobach, the secretary of state, is leading by a little bit. what is extraordinary he was
trailing until the president endorsed him. >> that's right. 500 votes separates them right now. they're waiting for johnson county, most poplous county. republican county. a lot of independents. new voting machines in johnson county. they are supposed to come in a few minutes. hoping to have them for the next segment. kobach hoping to squeak it out. steve: senate great state of michigan, kid rock-backed iraq war vet john james won. the president also endorsed him. that is the final right there. he beat mr. mr.pensler handily. >> separated himself with a great resume' and campaign. debbie stabenow, won the seat in 2012 by 20 points. she has been a popular representative there. trump won narrowly. there is hope to be a pick up. "real clear politics" says likely dem seat. we'll see. steve: since she won the fourth
district here in new york state, alexandria ocasio-cortez, thank you very much, she has been the darling, been on a lot of television shows, the darling of the political left. doesn't look like she had a good night. steve: >> she hit the midwest wall and lost, lost. she lost by 20 points in the governor's race. her other candidate was fourth out of five in the primary. in missouri lost by 20 points. turns out socialism doesn't sell. bad night for cortez six weeks after the becoming darling of democrats. steve: bad night for socialism. >> midwest came through. appreciate it. steve: pete hegseth, senior political analyst. straight ahead a teenager kicks out of class wearing an nra t-shirt. this morning her family firing back. the nfl is off the menu at one florida restaurant. the owners are taking a stand
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a parking lot outside of ford headquarters. right here i have the very first ford mustang ever sold. gail weiss, bought it on april april 15th, 1964. you kept it ever since. back then did you think the car and you would be a celebrity 54 years later? >> no, i didn't. i'm surprised and happy this happened. >> never sold it yet. ever think you will? >> no, not yet. >> mustang fans are loyal. i know another one not interested in selling his car. sean owns the very car used in the steve mcqueen film, "bullitt." he owned it since the 1970s. no one knew it existed until couple months ago. this car is worth millions of dollars. worth more to you than that? >> absolutely. used to be a family car. she is part of the family.
so world tour. it has been amazing. to be back home. this is pretty awesome. >> american icon. 10 millionth coming off the line. you will not be able to buy it. ford will hang on to it for a while. figure out what to do with it, put it in a museum or auction block, you probably pay a pretty big premium. if you want to pick it up. abby: one of the america's favorite. you used to own a mustang. brian: it was faster than the tesla-made rocket. football players still kneeling for the national anthem. we earlier talked to super bowl winning coach tony dungy. he tells us how he exactly feels about that. >> i would personally stand, i feel that is the way to go. my dad was in the service, in the military, why he enlisted in world war ii, to give us freedom of choice to do what we think is best. brian: he would give ten minutes of my press conference every
day, for the players to speak up what is wrong with society. let's switch gears, keep on the same topic. a florida eatery feeling the same way as coach dungy, taking a stand for the flag, canceling the nfl-tv package, offering veterans a 40% discount. they are the owners of beef o' brady's in brooksville, florida. i understand the nfl package costs 5000 bucks. if there is local game you put the game on. why are you canceling the package, janet. >> we felt this year we didn't want to spend money on that program because we do disagree with how, you know, the protesting is being done. and we just decided we would rather put our money towards our veterans which we have many in the area. and that is just the way we decided to go. brian: curtis, been a couple years now, third year, since colin kaepernick didn't play
year before. he took a knee. why now? >> last year is really ramped up, after week one we saw it was going to continue, we tried to cancel our subscription last year and they didn't allow us to. so we went forward with it last year but decided if they didn't change their stance, if the nfl didn't make a difference in the way everything was being handled, that this year we would do what we're doing. brian: curtis, are you hopeful in may when they said okay, everyone will stand, if you're not going to stand, go to the locker room. being they haven't made a stance, you're out? >> hopeful. but you know what? i don't believe what the ultimatum they gave the players was necessarily the right way. i think they ought to give the players a platform to bring their issues out but it doesn't need to be during the national anthem. brian: what is, what has been some of your customers reaction, janet? >> we had calls from all across the country thanking us.
we had a lot of local ones said they were thanking us, saying they would be in every sunday and throughout the week. it has been 99% positive. and it has been very touching actually they're calling to thank us when we're just trying to respect and thank them for what they do and allow us to live in the greatest country on earth. brian: 40% off food sundays for those in the military. on the counterargument, what about social injustice in this country? the complaint is that law enforcement unjustly, up justly applies the law to minorities in our country. that is why they're taking a knee or taking a seat. what is your reaction to that? >> like i said, i believe they have a valid point. i just feel, personally that they're doing it at the wrong time. i believe it is the nfl leadership that needs to get with the players association and come up with an appropriate time for them to bring their message forward. they need to bring the message forward. we need to make advances in this
country every way they can. if they do that, come up with agreement, give them airtime, advertisement time, five minutes each game. they could fit in their spots to put their issues out there and that would be great. brian: meantime beef o' brady's in brooksville, florida, will not showing the games unless it is local and free. curtis, janet, thanks so much. >> thank you. brian: straight ahead, how did president trump come to power. rosie o'donnell knows. >> i think largely because of the celebrity apprentice. i blame mark burnett for creating a false narrative about this man. nobody treated him with respect or dignity until this show came on. brian: finally put the blame where it belongs with reality show creator. more insults from rosie o'donnell. rosy the resistor, next. >> number is startling. hundreds of thousands of foreigners overstating their visit to america. mark steyn is a foreigner
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off. do you feel as though he made the right move? >> i preferred the one with wite putine. monday morning? steve: tried to catch the ball in the big vat. chilly cheese fries. >> with the putine, janice, lady from ottawa will know this, i'm in favor of canadians coming in and spreading putine all over america. steve: according to brand new statistic by department of homeland security more than 600,000 foreign nationals overstayed their visa last year. 40% of them of the 11 million in the country illegally overstayed. the top over stayers, mark steyn, canada, mexico, venezuela, united kingdom and then, you have got colombia. brian: why don't you people take it seriously? >> there is no reason to. what is interesting to me, if you look at visa applications of the 9/11 guys when they came out
after 9/11 -- steve: and overstayed. >> they had addresses in the united states, said holiday in, america. i remember listening to a radio station in london, somebody asking about the difficulty getting into america. the guy says put a mid-market hotel chain. holiday inn, comfort inn, everyone thinks that is reasonable. the 9/11 guys put that into action a month later. still nothing has been changed. americans shuffle shoeless like a craven cowed people if they want to fly from chicago to boston for thanks giving. brian: it's true. >> meanwhile millions and millions of people around the planet know you can game the system by ignoring it. by the way i agree with neil from guyana or british guyana we old school imperialists think of it, when he was talking about his poor sister, that is what happens if you actually go by the rules.
steve: she could not come into the country because she had cerebral palsy. >> you can't come in if you're going to be a drag on the system. if you're going to be a cost on the public purse. meanwhile, in california the entire hospital system has been overwhelmed by people who don't do what neil's parents do, who say, to hell with the whole system. brian: a lot of cases they go right from the streets to the hospital. they get sick. they're not paying taxes. >> basically california emergency rooms are the mexican health care system. it is ridiculous. abby: people come here the right way, some of those folks are the most outraged. they say we waited in line. we did this right way. we came because we wanted to be here. these numbers highlight. of course they don't want to leave. >> this we're bifurcating into a society where there are people who live by the rules and they're, as the shoeless thing emphasizes, they're put upon more and more each day. then there are people who just
ignore the rules. in new jersey a year or two back, a world war ii veteran with his wife visiting family here. the wife gets sick, goes into new jersey hospital. they have been married for 70 years. sew he stays with her and she dies in the hospital. he is a royal air force veteran. he flies back. he is told he can never visit his family in america again because he over stayed his visa by one day. if you follow the rules, your life is wrecked. millions ignore them. brian: canada is feeling pressure. we're cracking down. you guys have people stream to the canadian border. >> which this, just tin trudeau, the week of president trump's inauguration when he introduced the so-called muslim, so-called travel ban, he did this virtue signaling, we welcome, everyone. the planet took justin up at his word and have overwhelmed -- the montreal olympic system where you know, caitlyn jenner became
the first woman to win the decathalon in 1976 or whatever it was, and -- steve: bruce jenner. >> bruce jenner back then. brian: when he was a man. >> won the decathalon, that olympic stadium is now basically a refugee center, for refugees who overwhelmed the system. brian: created in 1976, you are hosting tucker tonight. you have an option to use the video. this is the individual very. >> the putine one. brian: whoa. steve: what do you like so much about it? he was so far away or spills food or just takes a header? >> as una simulated foreigner, i find it much easier to play american sports, not on grass, not on artificial turf, but putine. i think is gives much better grip. that's why we do jobs americans
won't do. guest-hosting for tucker. brian: you can not get an american. >> like seasonal agricultural libor, guest-hosting for tucker carlson. abby: how do you prepare to host? brian knows i guess. >> holding a quizzical expression for 58 minutes. when you're interviewing, i had no idea. you guys have different camera angles. they hold on tucker with the quizzical expression. steve: there is no cutaway on tucker carlson. >> he can do that. if you ever seen his one-man show on stage, he walks out in radio city and holds that expression for hour 1/2. brian: shows that every night. abby: mark, we will see you tonight at 8:00 p.m. brian: hope tucker doesn't see this. last time you will fill in. >> he is insecure like that. brian: you don't have jillian mele doing that. jillian: i can do that now. is that a fair compromise? we're continuing to follow the story out of new jersey. start with a fox news alert. a manhunt is underway after two
officers are shot at a red light. >> they were essentially ambushed. a male walked up and began opening fire. our officers have non-life-threatening injuries but not for the grace of god to be quite frank. with the amount of rounds fired at close range. jillian: a gunman firing as many as 25 rounds at the under cover detectives in unmarked car in camden. incredibly both officers are expected to survive. anti-trump comedienne rosie o'donnell still can not understand why president trump was elected to lead our nation. >> why do you think americans voted for him? >> i think largely because of the celebrity apprentice. i blame mark burnett creating a false narrative. nobody treated him with respect or dignity until the show came on. abby: the come med yen has been feuding with president trump for years. she led a musical protest at white house on monday. high school student kicked out of class for wearing an nra shirt. their mother says the teacher was way out of line.
>> he is there to teach. i don't think he is there to teach his personal beliefs. jillian: the two sophomores were singled out and given a lecture why guns were bad. the school said the shirt did not violate the dress code policy. unsure if the teacher will face consequences. woman applying for new job on the lunch break gets busted. a local news crew was reporting on a job fair, put the woman on tv without realizing it. once someone told her what happened. she took matters, posting a screen shot online. so i didn't want my current job to know i was looking for another job. thankfully her manager hasn't confronted her about it. that is a little awkward. steve: a little bit. abby: at least she still has the job. steve: for now. abby: thanks, jillian. brian: let steve do it. steve: new york may soon require employees to take bereavement for three months which would deliver a crushing blow to small
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powerful thing. >> i hear that from everyone that lives in texas. my home state of utah. my dad was governor there a few years ago. the biggest priority was making the state attractive for outside businesses to come in. we want them to work and make their lives good. seems like it paid off. >> it has. silicon valley on the west coast. here in new york, it is silicon valley. this is the silicon slopes in utah. you have a couple of great things in utah. you have a young, educated workforce. second, you have these tax policies that encourage business to grow. abby: that is always a plus. so the last one we have -- i don't know if we have, georgia. >> georgia. abby: what about georgia? >> georgia comes down to costs. if you think about the costs of something like office space, right? here in manhattan it's through the roof, right? the average across the boroughs
here in new york city, $6 plus per square foot of office space. downtown atlanta, a buck 74. abby: people are flocking to the states. you want to be where business is thriving. usually everything else is thriving. mark, thanks. >> thanks so much. abby: coming up on the show next, it is back-to-school season. we're here to save on shopping with megamorning deals. that is up next. check in with bill hemmer what is coming up at the top of the hour. >> a lot to go through after the results last night. what we might be headed in the trump era. that wasn't cool, was it? big news in the manafort trial. we'll tell you what is happening there. iran with a strong reaction to president trump. senator joe lieberman. there we go. meet america's a-team. see you in ten minutes, 9:00 to noon. i discovered the true meaning of paperless discounts...
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