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Than our parents and grandparents. thats a problem we need to look at. we need to -- that includes professors. presidents, professors, administrators. why is this being fomented in a very specific place on college campuses? and claudine gay is not the problem. but she was part of -- part of -- the problem. >> to that point, why havent we seen the same kind of energy towards other universities where this has been happening? during what has -- >> at penn -- >> -- both white, resigned, pretty quick...