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Failed. >> lets be fair to britains austerity experiment which i am known to disagree with. they said you should do a bit more spending now and a little less spending a year or two now. what theyve talked about is really small beer. i think the government through away a policy option and its made it difficult of borrowing more, of doing more public investment. that option was open to them, unlike, say, spain, and certainly not greece. they had this option and got rid of it. so when it turned out...

Theyre forced to undergo a budget cutting process which probably they should have undergone a decade ago which is really more of a basic reform process. thats not quite the same thing as whats the argument in the united states or the argument here. so whether austerity works or doesnt work, it depends what is the purpose and what is the goal. and it plays out differently in different parts of europe and the world. >> the country you live in much of the time, poland, has had pretty strong growth....

Austerity debates and whats happening in britain is not the same as whats happening in greece or the united states. the politics and the economies are different. in greece, for example, the greeks dont have the option of borrowing because nobody will lend to them. their ability to borrow is determined as much by the bond market and by their relationship with germany as anything else. theyre forced to undergo a budget cutting process which probably they should have undergone a decade ago which is...

Away a policy option and its made it difficult of borrowing more, of doing more public investment. that option was open to them, they had this option and got rid of it. shock, they didnt expect this, that the economy basically flat lined, stopped growing, recovery was aborted, the policy the bank of england has been pursuing is not effective partly because our banking system is not fixed. >> how does the austerity debate look to you? >> i think its important to understand there are different aus...