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But i want to be clear on this, george. we have not and continue not to have conversations with the president of the united states regarding pardons. pardons have not been discussed and pardons are not on the table. >> youre a constitutional lawyer. do you believe the president can pardon himself? >> i dont think that you can -- that that -- its never been adjudicated on whether a president can pardon himself because its not happened. but clearly the constitution dus vest a parenry pardon power ...