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Did he meagerly cover his back side. dan scavino is confirming it and im sure he has a lot more information donald trump doesnt want him to tell. >> jim -- >> go ahead. >> -- i agree with everything that adam said, and hes got an extraordinary perspective on this. i think what may turn out to be the most important question in this campaign is does that trial move forward during this campaign year or is the president -- former president successful in deferring it until after the election? because...

January 19th deadline. this agreement was struck by house speaker mike johnson and senate majority leader chuck schumer. the two men agreeing to the top line spending numbers totaling about $1.59 trillion for the next fiscal year. the breakdown of that includes $886 billion for defense spending and $704 billion for nondefense spending. there is also another about $70 billion that is part of a side deal that would include additional funding for nondefense issues. now these numbers track very clos...

Are too cowardly to go out and tell the truth. i think thats where we are. look, have no doubt, if we quantum leaped ten years forward now, there would be nobody that believes its the fbi. i think the people that are answering that to the poll today would be ashamed to admit they ever believed that. i think we win in the end but its going to be a messy year. >> president obama has been very worried about the siloing of americans and people being caught in their own disinformation bubbles and so ...

My problem is we have not been able to break through that maga wall in order to get to people exactly what this president has done. >> david, we have not been able to get through the maga wall. that is what james clyburn said there. what do you think? >> well, look, i think that theres been widespread concern about the sort of pace and urgency of the -- of the biden campaign and the willingness to every day take on trump, draw the contrast, not just on this issue, not just on the democracy issue...

What donald trump that day, what he didnt do yet so many people have bought into this lie. what happened? >> so its a couple things. first off, none of their kids are going to believe this. this is an emotional reaction. i think some of those respondents say, yes, it was the fbi. its a tribal tattoo. thats what you have to say. the failure is in two big areas. number one, fox news and other news organizations like that that arent telling the truth, that are allowing conspiracies to come on telev...

Its unhelpful with voters outside the base. and so, you know, itll be interesting to see if he can pivot or if hes so pathological about this that he just cant stop. and if he doesnt, i think that improves president bidens chances of winning re-election. >> all right. david axlerod, adam kinzinger, really appreciate the conversation this evening be. thanks so much. >> great to see you, jim. >> good to see you. now to news of a spending deal up on capitol hill. its an important first step. not ...

The only way they can cover up who they were and what theyve done and how theyve enabled this guy is by winning in november, and that should be a charge, by the way, to the forces of opposition as well. >> david, on friday we saw president biden offer up this very forceful rebuke of former president trump and his maga supporters and describing them as a threat to democracy and so on. but when you have the -- one of the top republicans in the house parenting donald trump, calling the january 6th ...