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Manuel lost his son and fred lost his daughter in the mass murder that killed 17 people at margery stoneman douglas high school in florida. the gunman who has been charged of that murder in parkland, florida, is an american citizen born here in this country and attended that same high school. a wall on their southern border would not have kept any of those 17 people alive. we are joined now by manuel, whose son was 17 years old and fred whose daughter was 14 years old when americas epidemic of m...

Should be able to understand what we did and what well keep on doing as long as we are in this life. >> fred, what do you imagine congressman gaetz would say if the accused mass murderer was an undocumented resident of this country? >> well, if that were true, we would have been guests of the president at the state of the union. but because the killer of our children was an american male, we were not. but i do want to say that what congressman gaetz did takes the story away from the 40,000 a yea...

Was killed. somebody right now is planning a funeral for a loved one who was killed that will be happening tomorrow. somebody just buried a loved money who was killed. it is an epidemic. and when you have a congressman who will put on a political stunt like that rather than dealing with the emergency that is gun violence, its shameful. and i think if he -- if the killer of our children was an undocumented immigrant that wasnt the case, he would have been having a political field day with it. but...

>> is there a process in the committee whereby if the very same people are repeatedly interrupting the time of the members that those people will be asked to depart the committee, or is there -- >> i will. excuse me. >> fred, what did that feel like to you, to have the congressman point at you, wanting you thrown out of that room? >> you know, that congressman showed who he was. i felt like that was democracy at work. you had mannie and i simply not letting him get away with that nonsense. and i...

Congressional hearing? >> it was. fred is a pro when it gets to talking to politicians. thats not my cup of tea. it is not my field. but i thought that i needed to be there to support fred and the other parents and the kids. the kids are actually fighting for their lives and trying to have a better future. so i dont regret being there. i think that my presence there, its a must. i need to be there. however, now that im there, i want to make sure we dont waste time in there. and this person was t...

Want to make sure we dont waste time in there. and this person was totally out of any context that was supposed to be discussed in that room. and my reaction and freds reaction is a reaction of a father. you have to keep in mind that we are still fathers. the fact that jaime is not here does not mean were not here. we are here, and we will defend our kids forever. so that reaction, any father should be able to understand what we did and what well keep on doing as long as we are in this life. >> ...

Nonsense that they put behind it. >> and democratic chairman adler didnt go along with this crazy notion of having you thrown out of the room. mannie, let me ask you how it felt for you. we all saw fred at the supreme court confirmation hearing of justice brett kavanaugh when justice brett kavanaugh refused to shake his hand. was that your first congressional hearing? >> it was. fred is a pro when it gets to talking to politicians. thats not my cup of tea. it is not my field. but i thought that ...

Undocumented immigrant that wasnt the case, he would have been having a political field day with it. but it didnt happen that way. >> and, mannie, i know that the congressman knows who fred is. fred has been very prominent out there, and he knows exactly why fred was at that hearing. i think it would be pretty easy to figure out, even if he had never seen you before, why you were sitting beside fred. hearings like this always have the parents of victims at these kinds of hearings. the members kn...

Of the circumstances i raised, but a wall, a barrier on the southern border may have and thats what were fighting for. >> gentlemen would suspect. >> the man standing up and protesting there will join us in a moment. the man sitting next to him is his friend. he will also join us. manuel lost his son and fred lost his daughter in the mass murder that killed 17 people at margery stoneman douglas high school in florida. the gunman who has been charged of that murder in parkland, florida, is an ame...

Whose son was 17 years old and fred whose daughter was 14 years old when americas epidemic of mass murder came to their high school. and i wanted to show you both that moment in the hearing that im sure you will never forget where congressman gaetz pointed at you and basically tried to get you thrown out of the hearing room. were going to show that to the audience now. >> is there a process in the committee whereby if the very same people are repeatedly interrupting the time of the members that ...