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that is what must be expected of anyone standing on a debate stage during a general election. let's be clear about what he is saying and what that means. he's denigrating, he's talking down our democracy and i for one am appalled that somebody who is the nominee of one of our two major parties would take that kind of position. >> donald trump's comments tonight have already been condemned by jeff flake of arizona, lindsey graham of south carolyn a. will they reverberate by voters? we'll see. i'm joined by chris of host all in with msnbc, and former chairman of the national committee, michael steal, and msnbc -- everybody's a political analyst -- any way, i shouldn't base that, everything is. he's the host of the how hewitt show, and also msnbc political analyst. who i can start with? chris we'll just go across here. this -- you know, there is the
i'm alfred hitchcoc. he was given the third world of idea, the sort of banana republican idea heads i win, and you get prosecuted, and tales you lose and i'm going to say the election is legitimate. he refused and said he'll keep us in suspense. it's not showmanship, it's dangerous his former campaign chair, paul manafort, this is the game they played in the ukraine and this is the game people who work around donald trump, played with it is election, claiming it wass was illegitimate. >> it's kind of frightening. >> michael, you're laughing. >> i'm not laughing, chris. >> this is the party of abraham lincoln, the grand old party who won't accept the results of the election. >> it's not the party i led. this is not representative of any nominee we've ever had in
media then you're going to he turnout in great numbers. the two hot ticks as to what michael said, if i were some enterprising reporter, din dino rossi, both of whom lost, in contested elections -- i think norm coleman was cheated, and din orossi. >> how was he cheated? >> they manufactured ballots after the election by the dozens. >> and washington state they kep kept counting, and counting, and counting until they got the number. both of them conceded at the end of the legal recount. they wanted to make the point, if it was so close this a particular state, i will fight like al gore did. he could have done that. he did not do that. he used language outside the norm. >> i can say that applies more broadly. it was so striking him talking about the supreme court justices and pro life, right?
most republican candidates don't just say i will point pro life justices because everyone understands that's a subtext. they say i will appoint justices who will up told the constitution, because he's basically reading austin decoff cards, he accepts the top line, i'll appoint pro life justices. i watched republican candidate after can. they don't come out and say that. in fact, hillary clinton did the same thing. >> that's right, but the republicans -- >> she said i had a litmus test. >> it is the republicans and judicial conservatives a litmus test is ipso facto,il legitimate. >> who said they -- there's no one left. >> he is so unembedded in any sort of fluency is he gives you the top line off the index card.
>> everything was airplane mode until a certain point. all the sudden, trump's language on the life issue, on late term, certain the idea of aborting a baby a few days before birth, he didn't talk about spina bifida, he didn't talk about the concerns people have when they have tests in the fifth month. he didn't talk about the clinicalcasions th clinical argument that it's bad, first of all, about this particular procedure, it's not just late term, it's a procedure. he -- i think he rang the bell for the pro lifers today. >> that's why he did it. >> the delivery, that procedure describing the nineth month of pregnancy is called a cesarian. it is true, he -- i think donald trump demonstrated that he has absolutely 0 fluency with anything to do with what happens to a woman. >> let's everybody judge for themselves.
>> in pregnancy and hillary did the opposite. >> was he talking about partial birth? let's take a look. >> if you go with what hillary is saying in the ninth month, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb of the mother just prior to the birth of the baby. now, you can say that that's okay and hillary can say that that's okay, but it's not okay with me. because based on what she's saying and where she's going and she's been, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month, on the final day, and that's not acceptable. >> that is not what happens in these cases and using that kind of scare rhetoric is just terribly unfortunate. you should meet with some of the women that i've met with, women i've known over the course of my life. this is one of the worst possible choices that any woman and her family has to make, and i do not believe the government should be making it.
>> okay. i think hillary clinton, apart from the values question, it was surreal, the differences between pro life and pro-choice, the real values differences and sometimes there's conflict and we have to deal with it. hillary clinton never lost focus on who she was going after, women in the suburbs. she talked about the need for gun regulation to protect toddlers. >> right. >> she's not talking about the work of marianne wright edelman. trump was working his base. >> he was working his base and not understanding the human bases of ideology, the idea they're going to rip a fetus at nine months before birth that is a cesarian section. he didn't understand the issue he's talking about. to chris' point, he hasn't thought about it enough, to have a conversant point on it. he did that all night tonight, where hillary clinton gave her the oosition to understand empathynd talk about specific
women and demonstrate the basic knowledge of what women in the fact and what they deal with. donald trump has no empathy for women, that's the basic reason he's so far behind. he lacks basic empathy for women. >> including sexual assault, obviously. >> i'm curious what you guys thought of the heller discussion. chris wallace eye w-- i was gla started with the court. i'm impressed donald trump knows heller. i thought that's a crazy thing to be surprised by. this is the single biggest second amendment case. >> i heard pennsylvania when he was talking about. >> that's the one thing he remembered. >> yeah, yeah. pennsylvania, indiana. >> what he was talking about on the late-term abortion, the gossnell horror factory, when he was talking about very explicitly to second amendment people, what she considers
reasonable and what her court considers reasonable is not what the court considers reasonable accident and t, and the pivot to chicago made the point. it rang every bell for republican voters. >> the gossnell horror story, off the book, illegal -- >> illegal. >> completely illegal, horrific murder chamber. >> the guy in philly. >> if he would used gossnell, the way he used heller, it would have been very effective. and he did well reminding people the rigged media needs to confront the project veritas tapes. >> and what's that? >> that the dnc contractors insighti encited violence in chicago. if they are not talked about and debunked they will play into the media. >> do you think any credible media outlet is going to use james o'keefe who dressed up as
a pretend pimp who was somebody -- james o'keefe -- he may as well as be from the national inquirer. >> we've seen this before. >> the whole thing was garbage. >> i want to get the contention out. if they're right -- if this is legitimate, what does it establish? >> it establishes that democratic party nominated donald trump and effectively dis -- >> that's absurd. >> -- delegitimized him early. >> how would they get 14 million republicans to vote for donald trump? you have to own the people who voted for this guy. in your party, your voter chose him. >> joy, this goes to -- >> that's the end of it. >> -- what you heard throughout the campaign particularly members of the 168, the leadership of the rnc who were concerned about the open primary process. the cross over of a lot of voters who have never voted in the republican primary, showed up miraculously in certain
states at certain times. you can look at it and dismiss it, but when you start putting together the story timeline, ju juxopposed to what's coming out -- >> let's talk about what's being stipulated. is the stipulation the democratic party engineered donald trump to be the nominee of the republican party? >> no, it's not. >> they worked actively to frame him as an extremist by provoking violence at his rallies and if you want to debunk that, you will debunk the rigged media. if you don't talk about it, you played into rigged media. >> are you going to try to blame democrats for people who behaved incredibly violently at trump rallies? the guy who sucker punched the black guy, you're saying democrats caused them to take those actions? >> i will tell them to watch the
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i'm here with my colleges. hillary clinton had a short retort tonight with donald trump after responding about putin. >> i don't know putin. he said nice things about me. if we got along well, that would be good. if united states and russia got along well, and went after isis that would be good. he has no respect for her, he has no respect for our president, from everything i see, has no respect for this person. >> that's because he'd rather have a pupper as presidet as pr the united states. >> you're the puppet. >> it's pretty clear the russians have engaged in cyber attacks against the united states of america that you encourag encourag encouraged espionage against our people, and you are willing to spout the putin line, sign up for his wish list, breakup nato, do whatever he wants to do and that you continue to get help
from him because he has a very clear favorite in this race. >> i don't know about motive. i hate motive in politics. it's just a stupid argument, but trump makes an argument we'd be better off sharing responsibilities in the middle east with russia. and putin will play a role in the assad regime, we'll be better off than this endless war, we're in the middle of with the sunni and shia. i did understand trump tonight, i believe i understood him when he said if we take back mosul, that's the shia-led government of iraq. here we have the wonderful support of and the thing king
abdulla has been afraid of all the time, and the sunis don't have isis, they're going to have some other organization. when are we going to stop believing we can take sides on the shia, who have been moraning itnist more antagonistic. is that how i heard it? >> it is how i heard it. hillary is just doing the usual. we're going to have no-fly zones. you can't have a flono fly zone you can't put planes in the air -- >> that's the problem. there's no full exploration of what the no-fly zone process would look like. >> where are these airplanes going to be based? >> where are they going to be based and how do they enforce it, particularly if they're -- russian planes involved in all of they. here's the other thing i was thinking about. >> how about any of the other aircraft fire? we have planes flying around over there. who are we shooting at. >> the enemy of my enemy is my
enemy and my friend. >> i think it's amazing you were able to take that melage and assembly them into an order where you could understand any -- i thought it was meandering. >> they understand trump-ism. >> he sort of meandered around -- he was trying to remember whatever the last thing he was told by kellyanne conway. he demonstrated no conversant of the issue. >> i was thinking back to the 2008 campaign and candidate barack obama talking about how he wanted to have a different relationship with our enemies, that he was going to be the president to sit down with our enemies and negiate a deal, to -- because george bush, that bad bush, didn't know how to negotiate a good deal that got us into this war and i'm sitting there thinking that this is now sort of a flash back to that point. here you have trump and a lot of republicans are talking about opening up a reproach if you
will with russia, recognizing their growth and their expansion in the region. they're now a player, you've got to play with them, and wanting to sit down and develop the relationship with them, and then you have this new establishment that's been created by obama and hillary, they're like how dare you, how dare you talk to russia. so it's just an interesting- >> i want to -- >> interesting. let me finish my point and i'll shut up. i'm not saying that that is the right -- necessarily the right approach to take, but i just find that our policy in the middle east has changed to such a degree that it is 180 degrees from where it was when barack obama was talking about sitting down with the russians. >> let me say this and i want to start with this agreement, which is i do think the rhetoric on russia from hillary clinton is probably tactically smart, but i'm worried about what it all amounts to after the election. >> i agree. >> i think we all don't want to head down the road towards
another code war ld war or war nuclear power. >> aren't you afraid, chris, joy, that hillary's just nestling up to a war with assad's regime? >> for talks in the middle east, we are 100% agreement on that. my problem with trump is his greatest passion and his most passionate answer tonight again was in his defense of vladimir putin. i think you can want what you talked about, which is a realignment, a reset, where we take seriously the idea of where putin can be helpful to us in the middle east and not have the passion to defend him and the passion to defend his government and his efficacy -- >> let me just finish this point. the other thing is, there are 17 u.s. intelligences agencies that believe in political espionage,
attempting to put their thumb on the scale for the election. it's not crazy that hillary clinton and the clinton campaign are not super psyche body that in this moment. >> why does he deny what's been established? why does trump lose credibility by saying this didn't come from russia? >> it was inexplicable. >> it was russia and the u.s. intelligence agencies say it was russia. it is fact checkable. >> the active measures by the ffb, otherwise known as wikileaks is a very dangerous cyber a pack on the united states. the argument to be made by republicans is cyber attacks against opm, cyber attacks against the department of defense, which occur every day, cyber attacks against sony pictures v n pictu
pictures have not been responded to, from the meddle in tiddle ef he proposes -- and i think he's very wrong -- that we will right this mess by dealing with russia as a great power from the zarast area, as opposed from the soviet union, it is an argument to be made and i think democrats have to deal with the fact for eight years we have not defended the infrastructure or resem believing to allow us to respond to national security. >> i think we're having a good debate here. thank you, hugh, and joy. you guys have to leave. we're doing a little -- >> rotation. >> any way, you're bringing defense and offense. we're platooning. up next, much more republican reaction, the big news donald trump made here tonight, his refusal to say he would accept the election. he's going to keep us in
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talk to farmers. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ i want to ask you here on the stage tonight, do you make the same commitment that you will absolutely -- sir, that i will absolutely accept the result of this election? >> i will look at it at the time. i'm not looking at anything now. i'll look at it at the time. what i've seen -- what i've seen is so bad -- first of all, the media is so dishonest and so corrupt and the pylon is so amazing that "new york times" actually wrote an article about it but they don't even care. it's so dishonest and they've poisoned the minds of the voters, but unfortunately for them, i think the voters are seeing through it. i think they're going to see through it. we'll find out on november 8th, but i think they're going to see through it. welcome back to "hardball" on the most stunning moment of tonight's debate, donald trump refused commitment to accept the
results of the november election and here's what he said when moderator chris wallace pressed him further. >> sir, there is a tradition in this country, in fact one of the prides of this country, is the peaceful transition of power and that no matter how hard fought a campaign is, that at the end of the campaign, that the loser concedes to the winner -- not saying you're necessarily going to be the loser or the winner -- but the loser concedes to the winner and that country comes together in part for the good of the country, are you saying you're not prepared now to commit to that principle? >> what i'm saying is i'll tell you at the time, i'll keep you in suspense. >> let me respond to that because that's horrifying -- >> trump's refusal in spat of wh spite of what his own running mate and daughter have said. here's mike pence. >> will you accept the results of the election? >> we will absolutely accept the results of the election. the american people will speak in an election that'll cucullm
election legitimate, on the basis of '08, when they said in both of those times, president obama was an illegitimate candidate for president, so there's elections in arrow, he's threatening to delegitimize. it is a pattern, and leads to the suggestion that robert costa will not value the election results. pretty scary stuff. >> it wasn't just what he said that was shocking, it was the way he said it. there was a casual contempt in donald trump's voice for 225 years of american political tradition. donald trump is a force for chaos. he always has been. if he can't taking some and win something himself, he will destroy that thing and make it impossible for other people to have it. what he's -- what he's really doing tonight among other things, in addition to challenging the whole system, is saying that if i can't have the
presidency, i'm going to make it nate worth hillary's time to have it. that's what he's doing. >> and this will have global -- i am the global editor. this is top news around the world -- >> already. >> the legitimacy of the american election is something that is not only prized in america, it's prized around the world, because it's a symbol of stability and strength of the world's super power and the light of -- light of nations. and he's putting that under threat. >> let's talk about the "washington post" yesterday, he's a very hawkish guy. he laid out a whole speculative theory this is what vladimir putin wants. >> yep. >> he wants to have sort of a mood in this country in the various parts of the old soviet union and to break this thing up and blame the government for a corrupt election and say we were secur secured out of it -- he wants to get even because he thinks we
did that in the part of the of the soviet union against him. >> he has this dream of restoring -- >> and to blame us. >> you have to realize what putin's government has been doing is stoking these right-wing movements -- >> what's that group? >> you kip -- the sort of the new version of kgb, so new kgb, fsb in russia has been using all of these sort of undermining tactics to try to stoke right-wing movements all across europe and it's had a really detabd destabilizing across the continent. they did it in ukraine. >> i think they're trying to find democratic equality equivalence across the globes. we have problems with our elections, and their elections are -- >> joy and i were discussing this actually before, and when i
came on, chris, i stand corrected. i was right that this is about something bigger. i was wrong that it is something so small as a television network. they have much grander ambitions. >> who's they? >> steve bannon, the people behind donald trump. why do you see nijel farage, at all the spin rooms? i think they see potential for a movement that in some ways transsends our borders. >> how they keep it a lie by denying the results of the election? >> it's multipronged. this is a moment -- a critical moment of educated republicans who care about our democracy to put aside party and to start speaking out and i think we're starting to see the seeds of that tonight on twitter. i think we're starting to see the seeds of that with responsible republicans like
marco rubio saying of course the election is not rigged and we need to stand together -- something that began as a reality show spec ctacle -- we' all a mused by it -- has mo morphed. arizona senator jeff flake tweeted donald trump tweeted he might not accept the election results is beyond the pail. south carolina republican senator lindsey graham, like most americans vicon fiddence in our democracy and election system, during this debate mr. trump is doing the party a great disservice. if he loses it will not be because the system is rigged, but because he failed as a candidate. ben, you wanted to correct something about -- we talked about earlier with regard to the rnc's position. >> first of all a real politic observation is what donald trump's remarks will do.
we'll ha will have the exact opposite of what he's intended. he's given the democrats a terrific get out the vote mechanism to make more democrats who are not enthusiastic about hillary clinton and will increase democratic turnout. but in terms of what we talked about earlier on the air, the rnc doing a voter fraud program, that is not true. i've been told by the top council for both the campaign and the rnc, that rnc is abiding by the decent decrease and it is not the least bit involved in poll-watching programs. >> what do you think reince priebus will say, because i don't think he's spoken out yet, about trump nonaccepting? >> i talked to him. i caught him afterwards. he was trying to beat it out of the spin room, if you can imagine, and he was trying to convince us that this is nothing more than just a preemptive positioning that in case the
difference happens to be by about one electoral vote or something minor this is a hair-race, you know, that donald trump wants to reserve that option and he said trust me, that's all this is. then i got kellyanne conway and it was a different -- >> what i want to see is -- is not just reince priebus not trying to get out of the room, and lindsey graham, the usual suspects on matters trump, i want to hear fromimi mitch mcconnell, especially mitch mcconnell who considers himself a states man and somebody who respects the integrity of the system. i want to hear from them tonight. >> mitch mcconnell, these other going to be looking at 2018, and if donald trump, looks as if
he'll be defeated, his voters, this fashion he's whipped up on the republicans, they'll still be there in their districts and their states and the fear of them is where i think mcconnell is silent, the fear of them is why rubio and reince -- >> howard, look, the point is, is that it's important for mitch mcconnell and paul ryan to have the legitimacy of the votes accepted because they're candidates to the u.s. senate and the u.s. house in and tight races need the results. >> let's hear him saying. i'm going to watch the and see when they do. >> i said that tonight -- >> i hope they do. >> if toomy wins a squeaker in our state, it's likely to say he one. >> that's right. sticking around with us for a little more, you're watching "hardball" live in las vegas for the final presidential debate. we thought fibers that help you stay regular
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i will stand up for families against powerful interests, against corporations, i will do everything that i can to make sure that you have good jobs with rising incomes, that your kids have good educations from preschool through college. i hope you will give me a chance to serve as your president. >> that was like a candidate's night in a regular debate, as if we had a regular debate tonight. welcome back to "hardball" live in las vegas for what was the final debate. tonight, donald trump again denied all the accounts of numerous women who have accused-im sexual misconduct and he said the clinton campaign was to blame for those women coming forward. here's trump and clinton's response. >> the stories are all totally false. i have to say that. and i didn't even apologize to my wife, who is sitting right here, because i didn't do
anything. i didn't know any of these women. i didn't see these women. these women, the woman on the plane, the woman -- i think they want either fame or her campaign did it. >> donald thinks belittling women makes him bigger. he goes after their dignity, their self-worth, and i don't think there is a woman anywhere who doesn't know what that feels like. so we now know what donald thinks and what he says and how he acts towards women. that's who donald is. >> richard nixon in the old days i gave them the sword. hillary knows how to do this, she's a woman, and she just says we now know who this guy is, his soul has captured this election. >> we don't give hillary clinton enough credit for her expert way that she bates donald trump,
calling him donald, reminding him about the things he said about women. >> why does it irritate donald trump? >> that rich people in manhattan looked down on him, when he was a rich kid for queens he wasn't up to their snuff. i've heard the same story of people who lived him in palm beach and makes people call him mr. trump, and this idea that he can call you by your first name, but you c't dot to him. look at chris christie, who he debates by making him call him mr. trump. and needling him. >> you're making he like him. there's always a group of finding a way of rejecting anybody coming up. >> george wallace did the same thing. >> it's not about race. it's about groups social circles, catillions, the palm beach crowd. >> george wallace said the same thing. whenever somebody said you're not you'up to snuff --
>> it bothers them. >> he dismissed them -- >> on the topic of women, the very top of republican strategists told me earlier today on the way in here, that thing that really damaged donald trump ultimately was not just the accusations -- credible accusations from all the women, but donald trump's answer, when donald trump said, essentially those women aren't good enough looking for me to want to hit on them, and this republican said that -- that response was what really, really damaged him -- damaged him -- and hillary baited him into it and hillary went after it tonight. they must have poll tested it because that response was as bad as the original accusation. >> it sounds like he's saying if you can't contest for miss universe, you're not really -- >> he was also in directly admitting it. >> i think one of the most notable moments for women's
perspective was that -- that off the cuff remark that you're a nasty woman. because it's moments like that when all american women have flashbacks to their own moments of being dismissed or insulted simply for asserting yourself or stating a position that is not controversial or even personal and it invites that kind of misogynistic response. >> his history's doing just that. >> she did but they trade a lot of stuff like that in the debate. it wasn't anything -- >> nasty woman, that was -- >> nasty woman. >> and the keyword, excuse my ignorance, but the keyword is woman. he's not saying you're a nasty person by saying you're a nasty woman, he's tying it to jegende >> and it res resinated with wo >> these are first-time moments. >> chris, there are more of them in this election by a factor of several hundred than any we've ever covered.
>> there's are moments in history we wish never happened. thank you. we'll give you more next time. when we come back, what happens in vegas, doesn't stay in vegas. we're going to find out what a top vegas odds maker is saying about his presidential race, and this is "hardball" live from unlv with the final presidential debate.
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for one late night edition of "hardball." we've got a couple more minutes. since we're in sin city, if you will, why don't we look at the odds in this presidential election. jimmy vacaro joins me now to go over both hillary clinton and donald trump's chances. can you make any money betting on hillary now? >> no, you can't make it here obviously because you can't -- we can't take bets here. >> an ex-caliber. a few of the offshore places and the european places are offering insurance money to buy back half the bet if you bet on hillary because they think she's going to be the winner. right now she's a 6 to 1 favorite. when you wake up tomorrow, she'll be at the same odds everywhere. the needle didn't move anywhere. >> i want to give somebody some help here. you can get some money if you bet a different spread on hillary, 0 to 5, it's got to be above 0. if you go for the spread you can
make some money here. >> you can go for the spread if you have a lot of money because if you put up a lot of money. 6 to 1, you'd have to put up $6,000 to win $1,000. >> say it's hillary by 10%, are you going to make some money? >> no, chris, it's been fluctuating greatly since the beginning of summer when the republican convention in july was, he had such a good convenience, the odds went way down. now naturally since mr. trump has stepped into some potholes in the last 30 days that has shot up at 8 to 1 in some of the books in english. ov money was bet on hillary clinton. >> when people make a bet that's 4 to 1 or 5 to 1, 5 1/2 to 1, what are they thinking, god's going do this for me? why does somebody think they're going to win a 6 in 1? >> i'm the only person who
booked tyson on a 27 to 1 favorite. thousands of dollars came in on tyson and went up 42 to 1. we made a mint at the mirage that time, but remember he lost the fight. a 42 to 1 favorite lost the fight so we don't know who is going to win this election, trust me, no one knows -- donald needs a double off the wall to keep the game going. >> why don't they allow political betting? >> federal law, it's been that way forever and even the gaming commission, we can't even do local or state elections. it's going to be a long time after we're gone. >> i had one bet, that's crazy that may go either way. that does it for the live coverage tonight from las vegas. if you missed the debate, stick around, you can catch the whole final debate in its entirety right now. good night.
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ElectionDemocracyDebate-stageAnyoneDenigratingOneDonald-trumpSomebodyCommentsKindPositionNomineedonald trump just wrapped up his rally in vegas. sunlen serfaty is there. joining me now, donald trump did seize on the investigation but what else? >> reporter: that's right. he did, fred. it seems as if donald trump is campaigning with a new spring in his step and capitalizing on the e-mail server scandal. he's been relentless and today is no exception. he almost joked to this crowd, i never thought we'd be thanking anthony weiner nine days out. here's what he had to say. >> her cell action was willful, deliberate, intentional and purposeful. hillary set up an illegal server for the obvious purpose of
shielding her criminal conduct from public disclosure and exposure. she set up this illegal server knowing full well that her actions put our national security at risk and put the safety and security of your children at risk. >> now, trump campaign officials feel this is an opening that they've been given in this final nine days. also, something else from donald trump, going after obamacare premiums, raising -- potentially going up next week, that's something he's been talking about on the campaign trail and will continue to stay on the offensive according to trump campaign officials. they are looking at battleground polls that are tightening and midweek they may see a tick-up in the polls. they certainly have that anticipation and that hope, fred. >> sunlen serfaty, thank you so much.
so as the clinton campaign continues to demand more information from the fbi about their review of the e-mails, they are also acknowledging that this scandal would have never happened had clinton not used her private e-mail server. cnn's jake tapper spoke with clinton campaign manager john podesta on "state of the union". >> do you accept the premise that the reason we're here that hillary clinton and her inner circle, not including you, made a horrible decision to set up her private e-mail server and everything that's happened since then is her fault? >> look, i think she's apologized for setting up a private e-mail server, said it was a mistake and she wouldn't do it over again. it's very clear that this has been an issue through the course of this campaign. i think she obviously would like to take that decision back. but she's learned from it. and i think what's important about this campaign at this stage, with nine days to go, is
who is fit to be president, who has the experience and the question of whether donald trump is too dangerous, too tempermently unfit to be president of the united states. so that's what we're going to close off and we're going to talk about the future she wants to build in building an economy that works for everyone, not just people at the top. >> i always hear the clinton team say that she's learned from it. what has she learned? >> as she's said many times, she wouldn't do it over again. it's the kind of decision that i think needed more thought, more review and i think she regrets that and i think it's regrettable and you learn and move on. again, i think in contrast to her opponent who never seems to
learn from his mistakes and keeps repeating them and doubling down on them. >> one of the things that's interesting and one of the things that democrats in washington, d.c., are debating is whether or not hillary clinton has actually learned from this experience when it comes to people in her circle. i'm not necessarily including you in that group but people who are more of a new guard even if you have a long-standing relationship with the clintons, were stunned when word of the private e-mail server was first reported in march of 2015, according to the stolen e-mails published by wikileaks and i know you say this is the russians and -- >> it's not me saying it. it's a lot of people saying it, including the government. >> okay. intelligence professionals say that. be that as it may you wrote, "did you have any idea of the depth of this story?"
a clinton ally co-chairing your transition "why didn't they get this stuff out like 18 months ago so crazy." you responded "unbelievable." "i guess i know the answer they wanted to get away with it." july 25th, "do we know who told hillary she could use a private e-mail and has that person been drawn and quartered?" you're acting like the server was a simple mistake but you knew this was going to be a big problem. >> it's easy with 20/20 hindsight. if someone had taken the steps and looked at it, if one would have definitely made a difference decision but it happened. i think it was at the beginning it was just done for convenience, but at the end of the day, it was a major problem i think as i told you, i think she's learned from it. i've worked with her closely in this campaign. she takes hard advice, she respects people who will get up in her face and i think that the reason that i've kind of survived through the whole campaign is because that's the
kind of person i am. >> you certainly are. has anyone in the government provided you with the status report, john, on the investigation into your hacked and stolen e-mails? >> no. i've talked to the fbi at the beginning of this, and my attorney has been in touch with them. it's part of the investigation of the russian hacks, but the scope of it, who knew what when, the fact that the trump campaign seems to have been in contact with julian assange from wikileaks quite early at least as early as august, i don't know what their investigation is finding. >> you're referring to roger stone saying -- >> trump confidant, let me correct myself. >> okay.
>> a trump confidant roger stone, who, you know, bragged about being in touch with julian assange and talked about the fact that they were going to come after me was, he did that back in august. so what the government has learned about the interactions between assange and the russians, it seems clear that the russians were the ones who did the initial hack, how they got to wikileaks, what the relationship was with roger stone, i don't know. i assume the government is looking at that but i don't know anything more. maybe jim comey, if he thinks it's important, will let us know and come out in the next nine days. >> all right. john podesta this morning. we'll talk with our panel about this right after a quick break. when i started designing a bronx tale: the musical, i came up... ...with this idea of four towers that were fire escapes... ...essentially. i'll build a little model in photoshop and add these... ...details in with a pen. i could never do that with a mac. i feel like my job is... ...to put out there just enough detail to spur the audiences...
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all right. you just heard john podesta respond to the fbi investigation. let's talk about this with our panel, historian and professor, julian and david who is a cnn political commentator. also with "the washington post." good to see you. david, let me begin with you. podesta paints this as nuance. he thinks huma abedin truly did believe she had handed over everything. so even in your newspaper today it's reported that beabedin did not use her husband's computer very much. so how is it that clinton e-mails may be in that device? >> i think what we know now is what director comey said. he issued this vague letter on friday which does have the clinton camp up in arms and you can certainly sympathize with hillary clinton and her surrogates saying that this was vague and, you know, overblew
the investigation but at the same time, fredricka, you know, fbi director comey did say he would update congress on any new developments in the investigation and this might be a very small development but it's a development nonetheless. >> julian, previously the clinton campaign largely avoided talking about the e-mail scandal in rallies and in press conferences today. clinton didn't address it directly when she was in florida but the camp did release this explainer video. so is it enough? >> well, she's going to have to be out there talking about what is going on. they are talking about her and podesta until that interview on raising questions about comey and about the entire process. but you can't let that consume everything she does. it's important that hillary clinton also keeps talking about
her agenda and, frankly, her attacks on donald trump. otherwise, if she's just talking about the e-mail story, it will be all anybody hears about. >> so david, you're alluding to this, that it's a promise that comey made that he wanted to keep everyone abreast. he didn't want to be in the middle of this necessary but through his transparency, he is. so could he or should he have anticipated that this would result just a few days before election day? >> yeah, i think it was foreseeable when he sent that letter to control that it would throw the election into a little bit of a scurry in these last nine days. in the last two weeks, fredricka, donald trump has been closing on clinton in the polls prior to this information coming to light. our own washington post poll this weekend shows it's a two-point race nationally and it's tight in several of the key swing states.
what it's doing is not necessarily changing the entire dynamic of the race. again, we don't know what is in these e-mails or what was on this laptop or device that was recovered from huma abedin or anthony weiner. we know it's making it difficult for hillary clinton to make her closing argument in the last week of this race, which is what she was starting to settle in and do. she came out of the debates sort of the winner of those three debates, certainly the debates were trying to knock down a narrow polling lead and now she's got to defend this and it's frustrating her aides, including john podesta. >> the relationship between huma abedin and hillary clinton, very, very tight. huma has been working for hillary clinton since she was an intern in 1996. so now you've got this scandal potentially and the relationship with anthony weiner and that investigation. so might this mean a prelude to a split between a clinton and
huma abedin in the midst of all of this? >> it sure could. and even if this doesn't have a detrimental effect on the election for her, i think both with this particular situation but all of her advisers, it raises a question we've heard about hillary clinton. if she always surrounds herself with the best advice and surrounds herself with the best people and so i think this is clearly going to be a case where there's serious consideration, you would imagine, to severing this relationship after this is done. >> all right. so much more ahead, david, julian. stick around. we have a lot more to tackle. the fbi is under pressure to give more details about its review of this e-mail involving a clinton top aide, huma abedin. so coming up, you'll hear from a republican lawmaker who has spoken to director james comey about the inquest. so find out what comey and lawmakers actually know about huma abedin's e-mails. that i .
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abedin. the e-mails were discovered on a computer that anthony weiner shared with his wife. robert goodlay told abc's "this week" that he encouraged comey to give the american people as much information as possible about the discovered e-mails before the election. >> you mentioned classified information. how do you or mr. comey know that there's classified information involved here if you haven't seen the e-mails? >> well, we don't know. and we don't know what the basis was for mr. comey making the decision to further pursue the case. we don't know whether that's informants, whether they've had access to looking some of this information, we don't know what the basis was. we do know they know something is there. >> cnn investigations correspondent chris frates joining me live now from washington. chris, tell us more about what goodlay had to say. >> so far, it seems that comey is not telling lawmakers much
more than what he's saying publicly. look, at this point, it's nothing. here's how he described his conversation with fbi director comey. >> did mr. comey tell you he would be coming forward with more information? >> he did not. his answer was with regard to a number of questions i asked him that he was not going to answer those questions at this point, meaning the conversation i had with him and mr. conyers. but with regard to mr. comey making a mistake, i think that he is very conscious of the controversy that's existed in the fbi. >> so despite the call by both democrats and republicans for comey to release more information, the fbi director is really not budging here. that's largely because he doesn't even know yet what's in those e-mails. >> and so chris, how odd is that, that director comey would not know what was in the e-mails but would construct a letter to
"the hill"? >> there's a reason for that. the fbi doesn't have permission to go through those e-mails yet. they are trying to get their approval. the government needs a new warrant because it only covers the investigation into abedin's estranged husband, anthony weiner. they need to get a new warrant for these newly discovered e-mails. right now, they only have a warrant to investigate anthony weiner. it's unlikely we'll have any answers to the big question here, which is, what is actually in these e-mails, until after the election, fred. >> chris frates, thanks so much in washington. and we'll be right back. mornin'. hey, do you know when the game starts? 11 hours. oh. well, i'm heading back to my room. oh, wi-fi password? super bowl, underscore houston underscore 51, underscore super bowl, backslash 51, backslash houston.
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clinton's close aide huma abedin. cnn is being told that the discovery of those thousands of e-mails was weeks ago. cnn's justice correspondent evan perez is on the phone with me. this was not a discovery made this week when the letter went out but instead weeks ago? >> that's right. we got the impression that the fbi made this disclosure to members of the congress and in that letter jim comey, the fbi director said that he had been briefed on thursday. what that letter doesn't say is is when the fbi first learned of this and we're told by law enforcement officials that we've been talking to that they had this in their possession for weeks. we first reported -- cnn first reported back on september 22nd, just over a month ago, that the fbi -- that the u.s. attorney in manhattan and the fbi were seeking possession of anthony
weiner's communication as part of this sexting investigation. we're told that soon after that, they were able to get these noon indications and they were able to look at the e-mails and that's when the team in the fbi new york office discovered there may be huma abedin e-mails that related to the hillary clinton investigation. they stopped doing their work immediately and brought in the team that had been handling the e-mail investigation and they started looking at that. so by early october, it certainly was clear that there was something here, that it was pertinent to the clinton investigation. so what we are trying to get clarification from the fbi on is why it took so long for any of this to be known. perhaps if they had disclosed this back then, the reaction from the clinton camp would not be so severe. they feel it was revealed so
closely to the election that it could have an affect on the election and certainly now it will have to be looked at much more closely simply because now we know the fbi was in possession of this information for weeks and only now disclosed it. >> so evan, might it still be the case that while the fbi investigators knew about these e-mails weeks ago that perhaps they only informed director comey on this past thursday as comey has stated? >> well, we know that there were several officials at the fbi who had knowledge about this because there was some deliberation inside the fbi about what to do, about how to proceed. obviously everybody knows inside knows about the rules about not disclosing information that is politically sensitive close to an election. it's a policy drilled into
everybody there and they all know that this is something that is very sensitive. and so that might have been part of the deliberation. we don't know exactly what was the hang-up, what was the reason why they kept this under wraps for weeks and weeks and only disclosed it on friday. part of the accusations was because of concern that this would leak out anyway and they were concerned that if it did, it would appear that the fbi was covering up for the clinton campaign. they did not want it to appear that way. that's why they decided to disclose this to members of congress in a letter on friday. the question is, if they knew this so much earlier and they thought it was important enough to disclose to congress, why wouldn't they do it earlier this month? and the damage and the reputation to the fbi and all of the questions that jim comey is
now getting might have been softened a little bit. it's not clear whether that might have made a difference, but certainly that's the question that everybody is asking right now. >> and then why would not a search warrant have been applied for weeks ago upon the discovery as opposed to now we're hearing discussions of a search warrant are happening? >> that's right. exactly. that's another question we're asking, which is, if you had dealt with this back in early october when you certainly had a clear picture that this was related to the ongoing -- to the clinton investigation, then why didn't you start taking those steps then? again, the clock was ticking simply because there is a poll tea at the justice department and the fbi that you don't take certain investigative steps within 60 days of a an election. that's the policy. even if they had done this in october, it still would have raised the same problem. i think the question that the
clinton campaign now certainly has -- and it's a legitimate one, is perhaps if you had done this earlier, it would have given time to reveal this and for the voters to have all of this information, certainly not ten days or 11 days out to only learn this. fred? >> evan perez, thank you so much for your reporting. we'll check back with you. thank you so much. also, straight ahead, the trump campaign reacting to this new inquiry and the rising obamacare costs. >> what we've got is not working and i'm very glad that obamacare continues to form the core of his message even in light of the new fbi investigation. i'm my team's #1 fan. yay. sports.
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>> all of my employees are having a tremendous problem with obamacare. this is another group, is that a correct statement? you look at what they're going through with their health care is horrible, because of obamacare. >> after he gave that statement the general manager of trump's property attempted to correct the record and said 99% of trump's employees are insured through the hotel meaning they have private insurance. how can mr. trump be the one to replace obamacare if he doesn't seem to understand how it works? >> he does understand. his employees are the lucky ones, jake. they don't have to suffer under obamacare he's talking about the rest of the country, so many who have. he's the right person to repeal and replace it because obamacare is an unmitigated disaster, reminds us how intrusive, invasive and expensive the federal government can come in our lives under the guise of helping people. he was in arizona yesterday and told them that their premiums are expected to rise by 116%. will cnn or anybody else ask mrs. clinton today when she's visiting arizona?
we see these other premium -- mailboxes and clicking onto their computers and getting notice their premiums are about to explode. it is reprehensible and deplorable to coin a phrase that americans are choosing between paying the rent, feeding their families and keeping of their health care. president obama lied 26 or 27 times telling people if you want to keep your doctor you can keep your doctor. no, you can't. people see a lack of quality, a lack of access, a lack of control and increase in price something under the guise of the "affordable care act." the question for hillary clinton is what would you do about it? is obamacare 3.0 in the offing or the bernie sanders supporters who want to us move to single payer system? either way, she should own obamacare, she should be asked what she'd do about it. donald trump says he'd let you compete across state lines to buy your health insurance much the way you buy your auto insurance and other services. he would immediately remove the obamacare penalty which is
hurting many people, and he of course would allow a more patient-centric health care system which would give us all health savings accounts so only you can control your own health care spending, what we've got is not working, and i'm very glad that obamacare continues to form the core of his message, even in light of the new fbi investigation. we've had a great week in large part because mr. trump is talking about obamacare. >> all right. let's bring back our political panel now to discuss all of this. back with me is cnn political commentator david swirdlick and julian zeli sdplchzer. before we dive into the rising premiums, let's revisit this breaking news through which our evan perez reported, he's learning that the fbi knew of these new e-mails when it seized or received this anthony weiner computer back in september 22nd.
so they've known of these new e mays f e-mails for weeks now contrary to what director comey said learning about it this past thursday. we don't know if that was withheld from him for that period of time. so julian, how much bigger of a mess has this now been made? >> well, it becomes a bigger mess with every hour and the more questions raised about why the fbi did this and the process through which the decision was made obviously plays into the concerns that have been raised by the clinton supporters about the entire process through which this is being conducted but it's a reminder, especially without any evidence at this point of any kind of smoking done data that there's a danger of handling these kinds of stories so close to an election without knowing what the facts are. >> and so david, how do you see it? how much more, you know, potentially complicated does it come? >> right.
well, if director comey has the timeline wrong, that's a problem and he'll be scrutinized for it. if, in fact, the fbi knew about these e-mails or whatever it is that's on this device in september, that should have been disclosed, at least what we know and based on evan perez's reporting sooner in the process, not 11 days, which was friday, before the election. that being said, you know, the complaints come from the side that i think is having to struggle with them in a political politic political context. this is throwing a wrench into the clinton's closing argument. back in july when director comey was coming out and making what was also not really a typical fbi protocol statement and speech explaining why he was not recommending criminal charges to the justice department against secretary clinton, it was republicans complaining. and i think that goes to the fact that both sides in this are sort of, you know, pleading
their own case and understandably so but director comey really is in a very difficult position here. >> all right. let's shift gears to this affordable health care and rising premiums in certain jirks decisions. donald trump seizing on that saying he's going to and has committed to repealing and replacing you heard from kellyanne conway being challenged and whether donald trump has a clear understanding about the affordable care act. julian, you know, this is in step with what the gop has been saying for a very long time, it wants to replace and repeal. how does this assist donald trump? >> yeah, look, this has been an argument we've heard from republicans for many years now. it actually faded in this campaign as other issues took up air time but it's come back because of the rising premiums. many would argue it's part of the story overall.
we have far fewer people uninsured but symbolically, the news that premiums have risen on some people will rise is very potent, especially post e-mail story. i think donald trump has the opportunity to use that as another rallying point for the republicans. >> david, is this advantageous? >> at least in the short term, yes. julian is right, broad-sweeping policy issues it's been more about the character of the two candidates and them trying to knock each other down rather than to put forward a broad, comprehensive policy agenda. i also think that -- you played the clip of kellyanne conway talking about the dire state of obamacare. i think that was exaggerated. you can't blame the trump campaign to seize on this and
make their argument that they are the change candidate, that people should rally to them because the obama administration and clinton administration have not delivered. whether that's true, it's a fair argument for them to make. >> does donald trump have to elaborate any further, give any detail about what kind of replacement he would envision? >> he's still behind even though the polls have tightened and even though he's doing a lot better in national polls, she is still in the lead and she still has an advantage in the electoral college and he comes with many liabilities as well. i don't think voters have forgotten that. he has a lot of pressure to get out there and show that he can actually handle some of these policy discussions in ways he has not demonstrated. so he shouldn't think that he can coast in this final week because he should also remember that he's coming from behind at this point. >> all right. julian, david, thank you so
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husband, anthonyweiner. the e-mails were discovered during an investigation of weiner, accused of sexting an en underage girl. brynn gingras joins me from new york with more. >> we know that anthony weiner started in congress in 1999 and then two years later, hillary clinton would become a part of the senate. they became even more entwined when weiner started dating huma aberde -- huma abedin, who clin described as her second daughter. anthony wee weiner remaking quiet. he's made no comment and hasn't been seen leaving his manhattan home this weekend, as questions remain what e-mails were discovered that launched the
justice department to reopen the case into hillary clinton's use of a private e-mail server. weiner once stood in harmony with clinton, serving on capitol hill at the same time. weiner was a charismatic, political rising star, who had his eye on clinton's confidant, huma abedin. opposites attracted. the two marries in 2010. bill clinton officiated the ceremony. however, marital bliss soon faced a bomb shell. >> i'm announcing my resignation from congress. >> reporter: weiner surrendered his political post after texting a picture of his crotch, as the couple were expecting a child. huma gave him a second chance and he asked the voters of new york too, as well. but more crude conversations with women surfaced. the final straw for huma abedin
came with allegations that weiner sexted with an underage girl. huma abedin announced she was separating from her husband, and now this jolting the election before voters head to the polls. >> weiner is cooperating. no comment in regards to the recent developments. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. coming up, we'll hear from donald trump and hillary clinton supporters. what they think about this growing fbi investigation. anyone with type 2 diabetes knows how it feels to see your numbers go up, despite your best efforts. but what if you could turn things around?
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i'm proud of the fbi for stepping forward and saying, hey, there's nobody in this country that is above the law. we're all the same. >> seems like everybody is focusing on all of her untrustworthiness and not questioning donald trump. you know, not questioning all the things against him. now i'm starting to sound like kellyanne conway, so i'll keep it on hillary. >> it makes it more imperative that we come out and support her. because there are people just screaming against her all the time. oh, she's unreliable. you can't believe what she says. they've spent millions of dollars and hundreds of hours investigating she and bill clinton for what, 20 years? they found nothing so far. >> all right. we have so much more straight ahead in the newsroom. it all starts right now. hello again, everyone, and thank you so much for joining
Donald-trumpHillary-clinton-investigationSunlen-serfatyVegasRallyReporterStepFredCampaigningThats-rightSpringAnthony-weinerheading into the end, though, donald trump, look at this, the foundation of trump support, white voters without a college degree, a whopping 30-point lead on that question. one of the arenreasons this is a total blowout nationally. we didn't just ask voters who they're voting for, we asked them why. a five-point national lead, not a total blowout. one of the reasons it's not bigger than that, who would best handle the economy? donald trump wins on that. the other big issues, hillary clinton a little bit on terrorism, a bit on immigration. what has her campaign been about, saying he's erratic, unfit, temperamentally not fit to be president of the united states. the voters agree, nearly 30 points she wince on the question of which candidate has the best temperament to be president, also wins by 15 points when voters are asked which of these two do you trust to be commander in chief? she's winning on the qualification for the job, if you will, even though she trails on the economy. the biggest question of all, anderson, anything in the new national numbers to change this? cnn electoral map shows hillary
clinton with a lopsided add vanta vantage. there's some reasons to say donald trump's republican support is coming back, maybe that will help him in the west where he's struggling. there's also good reasons for secretary clinton. she leads when we asked voters in the midwest, when asked who they'd pick for president. look at the national numbers and this map, a tighter race than some organizations have it in their polling. still advantage clinton. when you go state by state, lopsided advantage clinton. >> donald trump as we said finished a big rally. his very first words at it after thanking supporters was to point to a different poll showing him in the lead. we should say the survey from "investors business daily" does not meet our standards for transparency. cnn's jim acosta joins us now. thump spending a lot of time in florida obviously this week. he definitely needs to win there. what's the latest tonight? >> reporter: that's right, anderson. donald trump just wrapped up his remarks here at tampa right around us at this moment we want
kellyanne conway, his campaign manager, said on "meet the press" yesterday, we are running behind, but then earlier today, anderson, on cnn, jason miller, the senior communications adviser, said oh, no, no, kellyanne conway was talks about fund-raising but anderson, if you go back to the transcript from "meet the press" she was asked about how they're doing in the polls and she acknowledged as is the case right now that day are running behind. i have to point out right now, anderson we've been seeing this at on a routine basis at the donald trump rallies, he's been ramping up the rhetoric against the news media, we're seeing hostility against us, the media covering his campaign. a man right now holding a sign that says "trump sucks." earlier tonight, a woman jabbed me with her "trump for president" sign. i kaecan't imagine another coup weeks of this. it's getting intense. hillary clinton who's putting a good deal of her campaign emergency into
down-ticket races, some worry is overconfidence. she's extending her coattails to senate candidates, trying to take advantage of the one senator who's been known to get under donald trump's skin. more on that from brianna kei r keilar. >> reporter: hillary clinton making a campaign swing through new hampshire. >> we are more than our disagreements, we americans. there is so much more that unites us than divides us. >> reporter: and she's got help from liberal darling elizabeth warren, senator from neighboring massachusetts who took aim from donald trump for this remark at the last debate. >> such a nasty woman. >> he thinks because he has a mouth full of tic tacs he can force himself on any woman within groping distance. i got news for you, donald trump. women have had it with guys like you. nasty women are tough. nasty women are smart. and nasty women vote.
>> reporter: but for many americans, election day has come and gone. according to an analysis from catalyst by cnn, 5.1 million votes have already been cast across the u.s. as clinton and her campaign are feeling confident about her path to the white house, she's focusing more on helping democrats take back the senate. campaigning here in the granite state with governor maggie hassan who's leading in the polls as she looks to unseat incumbent republican kelly ayotte. >> unlike her opponent, she has never been afraid to stand up to donald trump. she knows he shouldn't be a role model for our kids or for anybody else, for that matter. >> reporter: it's a familiar refrain clinton is using. over the weekend in north carolina, she rallied voters for deborah ross as she tries to take on senator richard burr. >> unlike her opponent, deborah has never been afraid to stand up to donald trump.
because she knows he's wrong for north carolina. >> reporter: clinton is steadily moving her focus beyond donald trump. upping her planning for what she believes will be her transition to the presidency, a source close to clinton tells cnn. but clinton denies she's getting ahead of herself. >> you know, i'm a little superstitious about that. we've got a transition operation going and i haven't really paid much attention to it yet because i want to focus on what our first task is and that is convincing as many americans as possible to give us the chance to serve. >> brianna joins us now. what are you hearing from the clinton campaign? how confident is she going to the final two weeks of the campaign? >> reporter: you know, they're saying that every vote matters, of course, but there's a lot of confidence that we're hearing from the clinton campaign. they need to be careful they don't count their chickens before they hatch, specifically we're talks about people in the middle of the political spectrum who don't want to vote for donald trump and don't really want to vote for hillary clinton. they could become complacent if they think they don't have to
vote for hillary clinton in order to vote against donald trump. but it's just so clear the confidence as she is heading out to help all of these down-ballot democrats. that's what really tells you where they're at. >> brianna, this new report that came out today saying obamacare premiums will be going up an average of 22% next year. that's going to make things difficult for clinton considering how closely she's tied her campaign to its supposed success. >> reporter: that's right. politically this is not good for hillary clinton or for president obama, but here's the bottom line as we see it. i think it's important for people to understand, 22% increase in the next year in premiums on -- through obamacare. these are the plans bought on the exchange. it was 7% last year. so that is a jump. now most people because they get subsidies on the exchange actually aren't going to feel that increase, but still, this is a sizable, the overall cost of the program is big. it's getting bigger an td the b issue is choice. there's a number of states going into next year where people may go on the exchange to get a plan
and only going to have one insurance company to choose from. >> our panel, jonathan tasini, christine quinn. patrick healy is sheer. trump supporters jeffrey lord and scottie nell hughes. donald trump says he's going to win. they see a path. do you see what he's saying? >> he's in trouble and they know it. they are basing a lot of these assumptions on arizona being a solid trump state. nevada coming through. perhaps new hampshire coming through. certainly ohio and florida coming through. and talking to people inside the trump campaign, they acknowledge that they need that economy argument to really cut their way in the last two weeks. >> that seems to bt only thing in which he's leading. >> the only thing he's leading and, you know, in trump's favor here, 9 the1% of people in the cnn poll say the economy is still very important or important to them. he has an argument to make there.
he could dtie in the obamacare premium. you have donald trump coming out today saying the latest accuser against him of unrawanted advans is a porn star and bad mouthing her. the last two weeks donald trump needs to be focusing on that economic argument. it's the best one for him, but as we've seen for the last year and a half, his ability to get in his own way is still there. >> jeffrey, even this weekend, gettysburg address which was supposed to outline his first 111 1 supposed to outline his first 111 1 p 100 days he spent a fair amount of time talking about suing these women accusers. >> right. i think what he's tryinging to do is die all this together, all of this gets back to a culture of corruption, if you will. there's an ad i found very interesting. i think 15 days out, if we learned nothing else, the last year and a half, things can change on a dime. there's a television ad by a group called america's worth it. it never mentions donald trump. what it does is attack hillary clinton as the queen of
corruption and ties her to their words, not mine, liberal media bosses. that is part in parcel of the trump attack, and so -- >> at a major policy address that you said this is going to be my 100 days, the big-ticket item initially to be i'm going to sue all these women -- >> i understand. there's two ways of looking at this, anderson. i confess, that was my first reaction. the second reaction -- >> once you get a couple lines. >> three or four. >> all right. >> once you tie this all in, it's all -- it's all tied together. today in pennsylvania -- wait, wait -- >> let him finish. >> today in pennsylvania, the former democratic attorney general of pennsylvania was sentenced to jail for corruption. now, i'm just saying that this kind of thing makes a difference and that's what he's trying to point out. >> so he's trying to wrap it up in a culture of corruption but if you listen to what anderson said, he raised how he stepped on his message by continuing to
bring up he's going to sue the women and now attacking the most recent accuser in an incredibly insensitive way by saying something to the effect of this isn't the first time she's been gro groped. >> he said, oh, i'm sure she's been grabbed before. >> the people that's appealing to the most are the people who are harassing jim acosta, diehard trump supporters who hear this and believe that sort of larger, you know, narrative -- >> right. >> -- with the news media. but that's not getting whatever undecided voters are left or the soft clinton supporters. >> these are his acts. this is not a conspiracy by the clinton campaign. these are women who are accusing him of doing something. >> let me ask you about the obamacare premiums going up 22 pk. i mean, that -- had that happened during the primary, that would have been something that bernie sanders would have jumped all over. how bad is this for hillary clinton? >> well, bernie sanders and in progressives still believe that the only way to solve this is to have a single payer medicare for all system.
i will point out secretary clinton has started talking about the public option as an alternative, frankly, what she needs to move to. there's no question that the obamacare -- the rising premiums are going to hurt people but i think that for donald trump to make the argument and republicans to make the argument they're the solution, they want to throw all the people covered by obamacare off obamacare so they won't have coverage and would not preserve the pre-existing condition -- >> trump claims he would preserve it but how much do you wish -- he hasn't shown how. how much do you wish this happened months ago, this announcement was made? >> thank you for being honest. someone admitting the goal of obama compacare to put us on a payer system. >> i'm saying the opposite. >> that's what the whole goal is. may i finish now? 17 of the 23 exchanges are now out of business, gone bottom up. this is not impacting those in urban areas. this is impacting those people in the rural areas.
you've got in alabama right now 71% of increases of most people on insurances, oklahoma city is going to have the same kind of -- rural areas of arizona, 116%, they're going to see their premiums -- >> i just want to clarify something, though. >> that's the issues that are impacting america. you can talk about these other women. >> jonathan? >> obamacare was a institute for inaction on the part of republicans, period. republicans did not want to change the current system which basically cost people their lives and left millions of people not covered. >> that's not true. >> it is absolutely fact. >> no, it is not. >> it is absolutely the fact. the second thing, what obamacare tried to do is begin to go along the path, no question about it, to single payer. i'm not embarrassed by it. >> you should be. >> we should have medicare in the country, if we don't have medicare for all system -- >> we have to take a quick break. we're going to pick this up in a moment. later as we've been discussing i'll ask the republican party's top spokesman how donald trump squares his polling problems with women with his continued
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more than just the polls. >> our system is rigged. our system is rigged. she never had a chance of being convicted, even though everybody in this audience, and boy do we have a lot of people, everybody here knows that she's 100% guilty. >> that was donald trump just moments ago. back with our panel. i want to bring up the story from the "wall street journal" because a lot of republicans are pointing to it, ties a contribution from a pac of a close clinton ally, virginia governor terry mcauliffe, to the wife of the guy at the fbi who ended up being in charge of the investigation into the clinton e-mail server. basically implying there was a quid pro quo. >> right. >> how damaging do you think that is? because it certainly fits into the narrative you guys want of -- >> exactly. >> -- that this is -- >> that's exactly the point. anderson, we look at these polls, let me just talk to pennsylvania for a second. depending on the poll he's behind by five, six, seven,
eight, nine points, et cetera. i know you hate when i do anecdotes. >> go. >> on saturday when i had the day off, i took good old mom, put her in the car, got the halloween pumpkin 20 miles out in the countryside. there were trump signs everywhere. i saw ones, one hillary sign. now, anecdotal, but i'm trying to understand the polling data as, in relation to the -- >> what you're seeing out there. >> what i'm seeing on the ground. the last time i saw that much effort for one candidate was 2008, they were all obama sides. >> christine, this terry mcauliffe story, this guy was not in charge of the investigation when the donation was made to his wife. he was later, i guess, elevated. >> right. >> how serious do you think this is? >> look, terry mcauliffe is an intelligent guy. there's no way around that. he doesn't have some kind of esp where he can figure out -- >> he's a very close friend of the clintons. >> he gave a donation in relevance to where somebody was. i'm not saying he couldn't be so
intelligent to see into the future to know where this gentle ma'amm man was going to go. >> he was there. >> the gentleman was in one place and another job. he couldn't have possibly known. look, i don't disregard signs. they're a sign of enthusiasm. anecdote, i was in a restaurant today, a man came up to me and said i don't want to interrupt your lunch, his eyes welled up with tears, he said i wasn't sure what i was going to vote for, now as it's gone on and on, think about my daughters. >> like dueling banjo. >> mine has a person, he just has signs. >> he didn't have any tears -- >> pumpkins, though. >> all right. all right. two guys walked into a bar. one of them -- >> but it is interesting, these polls, i mean, the trump people continue to say, look, these polls are just flat-out wrong. >> right. and, look, we're going to know in two week. the problem is something like pay for play can have real damage, it can do real damage.
you have to start laying the groundwork for a pay to play argument months in advance in order for it to break through and people to understand it. donald trump, i remember when we talked last spring when he was trying to figure out what adjective to put onto hillary clinton's name, he was going for sort of low energy hillary. >> highbrow -- >> he went for crooked hillary, but the thing is that pay for play, it's a complicated, you know, multilayered argument that just in the last two weeks, it's really very hard to -- >> this is another chapter in the book of corruption, the clinton corruption chronicles. >> doesn't donald trump continue to step on his message every step of the way? i mean -- seems like he cannot -- it seems like any other candidate would have been able to make a more coherent argument over, to patrick's point, over months and months and months without having, you know, the headline this weekend being i'm going to sue these women when i get into office. >> but i think he has. i mean, let's look at it. we had saudi arabia arms deal, we had -- >> it was a 39-minute speech
about 15 minutes -- >> no, actually i think it came out und out, two minutes were focused on women who were going to sue him. ten minutes was background overall. of the past. dealing with the scandal and media bias was ten minutes. he lumped it all together to jeffrey's point. >> it was everything other than issues about his first 100 days. >> i think it goes back to the idea, what is the media focusing on, what are they focusing on? what are the stories they're making their headlines be out of? they're not talking about the fact he wants to rid the swamp, he wants to put in term limits. >> by the way -- he's not talking about it -- >> the majority of it -- focusing on one line. >> the moment that i will never forget in this campaign, many moments, was interviewing donald trump in his office the day after fbi director comey's report came out on the e-mail scandal in july and saying to donald trump, this is a gift, you know, you're going to be talking about this for the next, you know, weeks and weeks and weeks. he said i can talk about it for about five minutes at the rally then everybody gets bored and got to go back to the wall and
got to go to the polls. it was sort of like a -- that moment crystalized him, you know, for me. he's a showman. he's a performer. he needs, you know, there's a plus. the idea of prosecuting an argument for three months, four months, the e-mail was perfectly served up, you know, as a weapon for him. and july, it just sort of faded and august -- >> he had three opportunities at the debates. to your word you used, anderson, coherence, if you actually go and read the transcripts which geeks like me do, he's not able to make a coherent argument about any policy issue. >> i remember corey lewandowski before the last debate talking about draining the swamp, statement, taken fire among his supporters and what he'd be talks about at ttal talking about at the debate. >> he used gettysburg, though. >> he started that, what, more than a week ago, he could have been -- >> i think you're going to -- >> the teleprompter -- >> let's go back to 2008 and
barack obama. talk about -- >> one at a time. >> the great entertainer in chief. i mean, i will give barack obama this, in 2008, he was the best campaigner, you know, bill clinton was good, barack obama was even better. and he was allowed to get people engaged. he got people to the polls. he got people inspired. and it wasn't because of talking policy. i think mr. trump might have watched him. might have watched people like bill clinton. it's all about engagement. people showing up to the polls. >> obama -- >> we know barack obama and bill clinton and donald trump is neither of them. he's not -- >> that's a good thing. >> no, he's not -- >> he's got the energy. >> he's not able to engage voters. >> we have to pause it there. crunchtime on the campaign trail for both. i'll talk to rnc chief strategist sean splicer about the headwinds trump is facing.
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i talked to sean spicer for the rnc just before we went to air. sean, you've seen the results of the new cnn poll. trump trails by five points. he said today at a rally he thinks he's winning. do you believe he's winning? >> i think when you look at the battleground states whether it's florida, iowa, ohio, where it matters, we're winning. we have a path to 270 that's going to put him in the white house come november 8th. again, i think the other thing, anderson, you look at states where we can start to see evidence of that. florida we're up over the democrats in the early votes. not just the absentee ballots requested, then returned. same thing in iowa. and in places, excuse me, like iowa and north carolina -- in iowa, excuse me, in places like iowa and ohio where traditionally we don't do as well as early votes, you see actually a consolidation of where we've been in the past. it's a much closer race for us. we do so well there on election day. >> but, i mean, you know, we just had john king explain the electoral map.
even if trump wins all the states that cnn currently has as tossups, he still comes up short of 270. so i mean, you're looking -- you say you're looking at early -- >> right, no. if you take florida, ohio, nevada, iowa, north carolina, and then add in new hampshire and maine, too, areas we're doing well in, that gets us over the 270 mark. >> i think new hampshire, though, i think even maine in real clear politics, a poll of polls, shows clinton in the lead. and also in florida. >> again, some of these places, there's not one of those states that's not in the margin of error. we feel good about our data, where we are, and voter targeting. the early vote, ann absentee vote requests and our ground game. i get with all due respect to the polls i know where we are data wise. we feel very good. >> this morning trump tweeted "major story the dems are making up phony polls in order to suppress the trump. we're going it to win." do you -- can you point to which polls and which democrats he's referring to?
>> abc showing a 12-point race. that's by far an outlier. the demographics that make up -- >> that's not necessarily a phony -- >> the phony polls are online polls donald trump always seems to be referencing. even the rasmussen poll isn't something we would use. >> okay, again, you get to make that decision. i think when you look at the ma rasmussen poll and ibd poll, the ibd poll was the most accurate poll going back a couple cycles. i get you might not like it but it's been one of the most accurate polls going forward. >> for clarificatioclarificatio use it because they don't reveal their methodology and the rasmussen poll uses a combination of online polling and telephone polling. >> right. i understand that, but i'm not saying that you have to accept it, but it doesn't make it phony. >> just today donald trump said in response to an adult film actress who says he grabbed and
kissed her, offered her money to go to his hotel room. "oh, i'm sure she's never been grabbed before." >> i really don't. the idea today we saw terry mcauliffe, one of clinton's strongest allies allegedly -- not allegedly, helped steer $500,000 in campaign contributions to the wife of the person who ran the fbi investigation of hillary clin n clinton. i'm somewhat shocked they're not getting the level of attenti attention -- >> he did give the money before the guy was assigned to that case. >> he was the number three at the fbi at the time. yes, he became number two but the idea that that doesn't seem like a huge impropriety is a little -- the idea that people are sort of helping to make the excuses for. it's hillary clinton that should have to answer for that. it's terry mcauliffe. the media shouldn't be sort of making excuses for when certain things happen. they should be asking the tough questions as they do every day of the trump campaign. >> all right. sean spicer, good to talk to you
as always. thank you. >> thanks, anderson. and our interview, complete interview with sean can be seen online at ac360.com. ahead, more on donald trump's appetite for suing people or threatening to. we'll look at why trump's threat to sue "the new york times" over its reporting on sexual assault allegations is likely going to remain just that, a threat and no more. we'll be right back. romantic moments can happen spontaneously, so why pause to take a pill? or stop to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use,
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as we reported during a speech in pennsylvania over the weekend, donald trump went off script and spent a good amount of time attacking women who've accused him of sexual assault threatening once again to take them to court. >> every woman lied when they came forward to hurt my campaign. total fabrication. the events never happened. never. all of these liars will be sued after the election is over. it was probably the dnc and the clinton campaign that put forward these liars with their fabricated stories, but we'll find out about their involvement at a later date through litigation. and i look so forward to doing
it. >> well, trump is also threatening or there were reports he was going to sue "the new york times" over its reporting on sexual assault allegations he's facing. none of this is actually surprising giving trump's long history of threatening to sue people who say things about him he doesn't like. "usa today" wrote a strong piece about his propensity to sue. "the presidential candidate threatened a rapper, documentary filmmakers, palm beach civic clucks newsletter and better business bureau for lowering its rating of trump university. vowed to sue multiple news organizations including "the new york times," "wall street journal," "washington post," "usa today," didn't follow through with any of those." randi kaye tonight reports. >> no papers more corrupt than the failing "new york times." good news it is failing, it won't be around too much longer, but they are really, really bad people. >> reporter: donald trump tearing into "the new york times" for its reporting on women accusing trump of touching them inappropriately.
trump's team called the article reckless and defamatory and demanded a retraction and an apology. failure to comply, trump's lawyer warned, would leave trump no choice but to pursue all available actions and remedies. the candidate has made it sound like a lawsuit is imminent. >> it will be part of the lawsuit we are preparing against them. >> reporter: if trump's lawyers do sue "the new york times," don't expect the paper to request the lawsuit be dismissed. it may be exactly what t"the ne york times" wants. in response to trump's lawyer, an attorney for "the times" shot back, "if mr. trump disagrees w wing the opportunity to have a court set him straight." read between the lines and "the new york times" seems to be saying, bring it on. donald trump in a court of law under oath answering all kinds of embarrassing questions about his sex life and his behavior with women. it's a process called discovery and in the end could provide a treasure-trove of stories. that is if trump tells the
truth. the "washington post" found when trump was deposed back in 2007 for a lawsuit he filed against a "new york times" reporter, trump lied as many as 30 times. if a lawsuit is filed in this latest case involving his accusers, legal experts say it wouldn't just be donald trump facing questions. ivanka, the rest of his children and maybe even his ex-wives could be deposed. not to mention, the growing list of women who now say trump kissed them or put his hand up their skirt without consent. the republican nominee continues to suggest he's been a victim of libel. what's still unclear is if trump realizes how much a lawsuit could expose about his business and personal life. >> these false attacks are absolutely hurtful. to be lied about, to be slandered, to be smeared so publicly, and before your family that you love is very painful. >> reporter: painful, but with a lawsuit, the burden would be on
donald trump to prove all the claims against him are false. randi kaye, cnn, florida. lot to discuss. joining me now, senior legal analyst and former federal prosecutor jeffrey toobin. trump's claim that he's going to sue the women who have made accusations against him, that he's going to sue all of them, how hard is a case like that? >> it's very hard in the united states for any sort of public figure to win a libel or defamation case because he'd have to show one of two things. he'd have to show what's called -- he'd have to show either that the person who made the accusation or the newspaper knew it was false when they made it, or showed reckless disregard for whether it was true. now, reckless disregard means you made no effort to check it out and certainly when it comes to the "the new york times," they obviously made a greet deal of effort to check out every story they wrote about trump, so it really does seem literally impossible for him to win a lawsuit against "the new york times." it is, perhaps, somewhat more
possible against these women, but as randi pointed out in her story, if she were to bring such a lawsuit, his whole personal life would be open in discovery process. >> so in discovery. that means "the times" or these women's attorneys could essentially depose him about his entire history. his entire sexual history, everything. >> and, of course, the "access hollywood" tape would come in where he admitted making unwanted sexual advances. virtually sexual assaults on women which would be argued on the part of these defendants was proof that he had a propensity for doing this which would certainly help their case. >> over the weekend also, trump made the argument that essentially the press in the united states can say whatever they want and that he want, you know, libel and slander laws to look more like they do in the united kingdom where it's easier for people to get convictions. >> it is. it's different in several important ways. the most important way is that
in the united states, the plaintiff has the burden of showing that the story is false. in great britain, the publisher, the news organization, has the burden of showing that it's true. also what's different is that the loser pays the winner's attorneys fees. so it really raises the stakes for both sides. here, everybody pays their own attorney fees regardless of what happens, but the press is in a much more vulnerable position in great britain. >> is it just that the story is false or there has to be malice involved in the u.s.? >> in the u.s., no, i mean, they don't -- actual malice is a somewhat misleading term. it doesn't mean, like, hate. >> okay. >> it does mean a kind of recklessness. >> a reckless disregard. they didn't research it, they didn't look -- >> they didn't try. they didn't make any effort to check it out. usually what satisfies the actual malice standard is if you go to the subject of the story and say, is this true, will you respond to the allegations? clearly, "the new york times"
did this. all the newspapers and news organizations that have written about trump have gone to him for comment and that, alone, basically eliminates the possibility that trump could ever win one of these cases. >> any reporter can show the steps they went to to try to verify a story. whether or not there was actual verification, at least having made the effort is enough. >> this is one of the key differences between the united states and great britain. in great britain, that's not good enough to show you made a good faith effort to check it out. you can still lose a libel case in great britain. in united states if you the reporter show the steps you went through, show you made an effort to get comment, to check it out, you win. >> i see. >> and the other point he said several times is that he wants to change libel law in the united states. >> right. >> that's something the supreme court has done. starting in the 1964 case, "the new york times" against sullivan. i mean, these are laws that are set by the courts. not by the president. so barack obama, hillary clinton, donald trump, nobody
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well, you've been watching this election closely, you've seen her on tv plenty of times. kellyanne conway is a pundit. you've heard about trump's refusal to release his taxes, and how in her words, at the time, built his business on the backs of the little guys. now he defend him on a daily basis, even when the going gets very, very tough. our chief political correspondent, dana bash, spent time with kellyanne conway at her home. take a look. >> reporter: morning at the conways. >> sweetheart, how's this? and which jacket? >> reporter: scrambling to get the kids ready for school. familiar chaos for any parent, though kellyanne conway is not any parent. >> kellyanne conway bluntly acknowledging the uphill climb. >> reporter: the mother of four young children is donald trump's campaign manager. on tv so much, explaining and defending her boss, "saturday night live" dedicated an entire bit to imagining her day off.
>> this is so weird. this is exactly the way the "snl" house looked. >> where's "walking on sunshine"? >> in my head. >> the pancakes are true to life. >> reporter: these days her mother, who moved in to help, makes the pancakes. conway's only been on the job since august. trump's third campaign manager, but the first woman ever to run a gop presidential race. >> i wasn't hired because of my gender, but it's a special responsibility. >> reporter: and often a difficult one. like this weekend, when trump went offscript, attacking the women who say he groped them. >> all of these liars will be sued after the election is over. >> do you just tear your hair out when you hear him say that? >> it's his campaign and candidacy and he has to feel comfortable with his voice. >> you're the campaign manager. do you feel comfortable with him saying that? >> i think trump is at his best when he talks about the issues.
>> reporter: translation, going off-message hurts his campaign. conway insists she's tough on him in private. >> i don't sugar coat it at all. >> give me an example miami donald trump and you're kellyanne conway and i say something that really makes you mad -- >> i told him yesterday, on the plane, you and i are going to fight for the next 17 days. and he said, why? and i said, because i know you're going to win. and that comment you just made sounds like you think you're going to lose. and we're going to argue about it until you win. >> and what's his response? >> he said, okay, honey, then we'll win. >> reporter: for a time after conway took over, trump was disciplined, but not anymore. especially on twitter. >> literally, people will seriously say, can't you delete his twitter app? >> that was actually one of my questions. >> of course. it's not for me to take away a grown man's twitter account. >> and i moved on her very heavily. >> reporter: when tape from 2005 came out of trump describing lewd behavior, conway canceled sunday tv appearances, but still helped with damage control. >> i felt like rapunzel in the
tower all weekend. and i told mr. trump in private what i've also said in public or a variation thereof. i found the comments to be horrible and indefensible. and he didn't ask anybody to defend them, by the way. >> did you consider quitting? >> i did not. >> reporter: she said she thought his apology was earnest. >> the women who have now come forward and said, it's not just talk. donald trump groped me. do you believe them? >> i believe -- donald trump has told me and his family and the rest of america now that none of this is true, these are lies and fabrications. they're all made up. and i think that it's not for me to judge what those women believe. i have not talked to them. i've talked to him. >> reporter: she was raised in new jersey by a single mom, aunts, and grandmother, all women, as a political pollster, she chose to work in what she calls a man's world, especially as a republican. she recalled a potential client, a man, asking how she'd balance kids and work. >> it was just like, i hope you
ask all the male consultants, are you going to give up your wicked golf game and your mistresses, because they seem really, really busy, too. >> reporter: still, like most working moms, time with her kids is precious. the question is whether she'll have more time in two weeks, after election day. when she was hired the august, she told trump he was losing, but still could win. >> do you think at this point, it is still possible to win? >> it is still possible to win. >> probable? >> i think that we have got a very good chance of winning. >> and dana bash joins me now. what a lot of peel say about kellyanne conway, is that she is an expert on speaking to women voters and that's always been sort of her calling card. it's got to be a -- i don't know what the adjective would be, but it's an interesting position she now finds herself in. >> frustration, and i think maybe the ultimate irony that she is a pollster, but she has sort of found a niche in not just working for political
operatives or political campaigns and candidates, but for corporate america, explaining, using her experience and in data, explaining how to reach women, that she is working for a candidate, who has such a deficit with women. i asked her that question. and her answer was, well, in this stage of the game, it's too late. and i said, you mean, you should have been hired earlier? and she said, no, no, i don't mean that. but when she goes in and talks to clients, not donald trump, and corporate leaders who are not donald trump, she says she has like sort of a long-term explanation for how to talk to women. and that's certainly not a playbook she can follow when she's the donald trump's campaign manager. >> fascinating. i can't believe the staircase is the exact same in that "saturday night live" skit. >> i said to her, did they come in her and scout that out? and she said no. >> and i like her kids like "hamilton." >> coming up, donald trump, as you've seen, said he's going to sue the women who came forward and said he allegedly groped them.
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Donald-trumpOneVotersVotingLeadBlowoutCollege-degreeTrump-supportArenreasonsFoundationThe-endThoughoften out of pure petulanc >> yeah. >> but he also lashes out at people to send a message to other people, do not cross me. that is a thing that can work if you're six months out and trying to get people in line. but 30 days out? >> and if you're on the rise? not if you're flailing. >> 30 days out, all he's doing is making more enemies, all he's doing is sending the message of disarray. >> i totally agree, and not getting back the republicans you were talking about. and another thing people are still talking about, on this very topic, is house speaker paul ryan's telling house republicans yesterday that they should feel free to flee from donald trump, if that is what's necessary to save their skins and thereby help their party retain its majority in the lower chamber. we are told that ryan, despite what he said yesterday, still hasn't ruled out rescinding his endorsement of trump at some point in the future, but ryan so far has shied away from public spats with his party's nominee. donald trump has not. today, during that social media rampage, trump targeted ryan by tweeting, quote, despite winning
out to vote for house republicans. >> i agree with you about that. but it's not just that he wants to save the majority. i think that if ryan looks down the road, that could yield the outcomes he wants, a clinton presidency with a republican house, and either chamber, whatever -- >> -- a mixed bag. mixed bag. >> trump has rejected all of the things that he would want him to embrace on policy. >> not all of them. not conservative judges. >> most -- okay, all but that. fair enough. >> there are other things, too. on the flip side of trump's tribulations, i give you hillary clinton. she is whistling a happy tune these days. her poll numbers are up. yesterday in columbus, ohio, she drew what is said to be her largest crowd of the entire campaign. take a look at this "new york times" photo. it looks almost like a trump rally or bernie sanders. this is from last night on the campus of the ohio state in columbus. secret service says there were more than 18k in attendance. clinton's outdoor event yesterday was well-timed. it was a show of strength when the campaign needed one, because
her campaign usually holds events during the day, when there are fewer people there, because they're at work. so this was a big rally to keep her momentum going. they had another big rally today in miami, where clinton appeared alongside vice president al gore. more on that later. meanwhile, however, for the second day in a row, wikileaks dropped additional half e-mails allegedly from the inbox of clinton's campaign chair, john podesta. lots of new revelations here, including an e-mail from march that suggests that donna brazil, who was then a paid commentator for cnn, is the interim chair of the democratic national convention, ticked off clinton's campaign about a question that was coming at a cnn town hall. in other circumstances, leaks likes this would be making much bigger waves in the political world. again, there's more in there that's being digged over now. but most of these things are being drowned out, including on this program, to some extent, by all the dysfunction that trump is creating within the republican party. so john, as we continue to look at some of these wikileaks
questions, including the one involving the chair of the dnc, donna brazil, and other people of clinton's orbit, what would it take for clinton to lose a news cycle? >> i'm going to go super simple here. i don't know what it would take, but it would take a controversy that's not inside baseball. everything that's coming out of these weeikileaks things so fars inside baseball. the reason trump has been a potent force in the last six months is because he talks about issues in a big, bold way that's not always about this inside stuff. all this clinton stuff is stuff we might be interested in, that politico might be interested in. it's not stuff, when trump hammers on it, it seems so small, compared to the controversies in his campaign. >> the problem republicans have with this stuff, first of all, there's a lot of stuff, but all of it is kind of medium grade. and all of it speaks to -- you know, inside stuff. like the clintons, you know, the clinton team strategized. peep complained about other members of the team. now, there's some questions
about the state department and the functions there. there's some questions about whether there's improper conduct with the justice department. there's some serious questions to be looked at. but, again, it's, as you suggested, it's so much smaller in the way this campaign is covered. the freak show media circus that donald trump fighting with the speaker of the house, himself, not hillary clinton, because it all involves her staff for the most part, it's going to be -- it's hard for trump to win a news cycle right now, as unfair as republicans see this as being, it's going to be hard for her, unless the polls come out and it turns out that all of this speculation about trump being damaged, if he starts to be even in polling, she could win a news cycle and he could lose one. >> i'll say again, you read "the new york times" account of what these e-mails have revealed, it's fascinating. i'm really interested, i love that stuff. but arguments about how to leak her keystone position. donna brazil dropping a question or something. we could obsess all day.
but compared to intimations of sexual assault -- >> the speaker of the house and john mccain fighting -- >> and the republican anarchy, the whole party melting down, it's just nothing. all right, when we come back, the sights and sound of hillary clinton's day with al gore after these words from our sponsors. something new has arrived. ♪ uniquely designed for the driven. ♪ iinfiniti. empower the drive. infiniti qx30 crossover. the search for relief often leads here.s, introducing drug-free aleve direct therapy. a highntensity tendevice that uses technology once only in doctors' offices. for deep penetrating relief at the source new aleve direct therapy.
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president obama, with the paris agreement. she has proposed a terrific plan. i went through that with a fine-tooth comb, and i will tell you that her plan on solar panels and expanding renewable energy, it is right at the limit of what we can do and that is exactly the kind of ambitious goal that we need from the next president of the united states of america. >> so, mark, i would say, with all due immodesty, that the two of us kind of have phds almost in gorology. we've been studying that guy and hillary clinton for a long time. so give me your cosmic thoughts about what went down today? >> well, they were rivals in the white house from the beginning of the collin/gore administration and over the years, they have not been close. the gore family felt that bill clinton's conduct in the white house really hurt his chances of winning more soundly -- >> and they were disgusted by
it. >> and today was a sign of all hands on deck for the democrats and the desire of hillary clinton to use al gore to not necessarily appeal directly to millennials, but kind of a bank shot to appeal to two groups, millennials who care about climate change, and get immediate change on that. stunning to see them together, but no doubt that al gore continues to have a jaundiced view of the clintons. >> and let's unpack it a little bit more. they were rivals because of the fact that gore believed he was vice president and hillary clinton believed she was vice president. >> he believed as vice president, he should be the second most powerful person in the country. >> so they both fought for bill clinton's ear throughout the time. as you said, the gores had a very jaundiced view about hillary clinton -- about bill clinton, because of his behavior. hillary clinton also had a jaundiced view about al gore, in
a lot of ways, thought he was politically maladroit and not ostensibly liberal. so they have never liked each other. gore was miserable in the white house, and a lot of his misery has to do with her. but he really cares about this issue of climate change. his reputation has taken a beating after he sold current tv to the qatarries, a lot of people on the left thought it was hypocritical to sell it to an oil-producing nation. and he's so bitter over what happened in 2000 and his feeling that the election was basically stolen from him. and he like all democrats regard trump as a menace. so he wants to be out there. he does not want to see this thing happen again. his message today was that, and i think he really feeling it in a very heartfelt way. >> you have to understand part of the psychology of al gore is, he won the popular vote. more people went to the polls in florida, he should have been president by his judgment. and so, he has dabbled in presidential politics since
then, but he has largely stayed out of it. and to see him come back today, i think this event might not be a total one-off, but you can imagine a world he would be out there a lot more for her. and the fact that he's done one is testament to the all hands on deck. >> and i'll say the other thing we both know about al gore is he hates politics. he's the guy more than almost anybody i've ever met desperately wanted to be president, but never wanted to do anything it would take to get there. to get him out on stage gives you a sense of what he thinks the stakes are in this election. even once, because he hates doing this. when we come back, a clinton adviser and trump adviser walk into the core club here in gotham city. we'll show you what happens next, right after this.
a bit earlier today, john and i hosted an event at new york city's core club with two important political fund-raisers for the leading presidential hopefuls. we were joined by anthony scaramucci, who is the founder of an investment firm and a trump adviser. and mark lasry, a hedge fund manager and adviser to hillary clinto here is what scaramucci had to say about what he thinks of donald trump's chances of winning the presidential election. >> i would say that right now, and i think mark would probably agree with me, there's a one in five shot or one in ten, somewhere between one in ten and one in five. because what you know about politics is that anything can happen. you look at the polls, i would say 20% -- >> so what -- >> i'm hoping he has a higher chance than that. >> the much later took to
twitter saying that his political forecasts was based on polling and prediction markets, but that trump, quote, always exceeded those expectations. so what do you think of one of donald trump's supporters suggesting that his chances are not more of a lock. >> i thought scaramucci was being honest there and he was fairly -- to be totally fair to him, he defended donald trump throughout the thing, made a lot of arguments in favor of why he was still with donald trump, made an extended argument for why he was still with him, even after what came out in these tapes, but he can read the polls. these guys work with numbers all day long. they're looking at numbers. and he is looking at the prediction markets and he's looking at the polls we've all seen, and making a pretty accurate assessment of anybody who's actually in touch with reality would think the race is right now. >> part of the problem for donald trump right now goes back to something we discussed before. every trump surrogate is going to be asked about the controversies surrounding the trump campaign, but everyone is hearing about -- they involve donald trump himself.
but democratic members of congress, they're not being asked about every clinton scandal, in part because reporters can't keep up with the minutia of every one of them. and in part, because not everyone's going to have an opinion about it or should be called on to have an opinion about it. >> as i said before, they're not as relatable. you can ask scaramucci, what does his wife think about trump? what does he say to his daughters? >> but if you ask a clinton surrogate, what does your husband think about donna brazile -- it's just not the same. it's hard. it's not fair to the republicans in some ways, but i so ee the dynamic and why it exists. >> that's not all what anthony scaramucci had to say about this election. here's what he told us when we asked him what donald trump should do between now and november if he wants to win the election. >> what i would be focused on right now is i would get a balance sheet out and i would get those 90-second clips that he did, the one he did on friday night or the apology and i would say, okay, here's where i stand on these issues. this is why it's beneficial to working class families and the
middle class. this is where the secretary stands on these issues. this is why these issues will be debilitating to the middle class. and i would stream it and go right over the top of the mainstream media, right to the american people. more so than he can with the 20,000 or 30,000-person crowd. and i would lay out each thing. whether it's immigration or trade, any of these things. i would also get his surrogates to be better coordinated than they currently are, so when that message is coming o out from him, they can go out with a message that's similar to the message that he's beaming in on the 90 seconds. >> of course, scaramucci there making an argument for trump being basically policy focused at the very moment that trump was releasing the ad, attacking hillary clinton on her health. so an interesting prescription, but fantasy land. >> again, yesterday watching mike pence giving policy speeches, they have an argument that revs up the base and the broader base than the tact trump is taking now, but he's not going to pursue a campaign based on policy and the new ad today makes that very clear. >> during the event, mark lasry
also talked about his idea that centrism has shifted to the left. >> i think what you see now, especially with what happened with bernie, what was center, isn't where it was four years ago or eight years ago. you are going to nee more government intervention. i know the feeling is for it to be in the center, it's less government invention, but with the issues you have out there, you'll need more government invention. >> i asked him as i do a lot of clinton surrogates, what position she's taken in the center and he didn't really have an answer. >> right. and i don't know if the center has shifted, because clearly the right has moved farther to the left and the left has moved farther to the left. but what mark lasry is talking about as far as economic things, there's no doubt that the democratic senator has moved to have the left and cultural politics across the country have moved to the left.
>> economics, you never hear her talk about reforming entitlements, reinventing government, eliminating waste. >> those are '90s arguments. those are '90s new democrat arguments and the party's not -- it's not like that anymore in the democratic party. it's moved to the left. >> fascinating to hear those two guys who are friendly with each other agree about a fair amount -- especially both of them thinking about that a speaker ryan could get a lot of work done. >> very smart guys. coming up, we talk to a trio of political titans about the state of the presidential race. won't want to miss that. stay tuned. we'll be back with more "with all due respect" right after this.
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former campaign strategist, dave cotchel. and in los angeles, we're joined a senior adviser to the aforementioned al gore's presidential campaign, robert shrum. gentleman, what an incredible trio you are. you guys can't see us here. you're lined up ideologically in an odd way, but i'll ask gary bower, then bob shrum, and then gary gotchel, where's the race at now? is this race basically over? >> it ain't ever over until it's over. whether it's sports or politics, you get up every morning and fight as if you can win. and it's important for the ticket, for trump/pence, to approach the rest of the campaign exactly that way. you go out and make your points. there's a tremendous amount of vulnerabilities for hillary clinton, one of them being, which has gotten kind of buried
in all of this, is that a good bit of the industrial base of this country has been devastated, and that people that have been voting democrat for years feel that their party has abandoned them. those are new people for the republican party. if it's got enough of a brain to accept them. and i think they need to keep making the case for those people, and for clinton corruption, and what that would mean for four more years in washington, d.c.. >> all right, gary bauer, pro-trump republican says the race is not yet over. bob shrum, i know what you're going to say, but i'm going to ask you, anyway. is the race over, bob? should we stick a fork in it? >> i thought it was over on labor day, said it on your show, thought trump was in a democratic cul-de-sac they couldn't get out of. made it worse since then. and if you look at a state like pennsylvania, the latest polls show him losing that state by 12%. in fact, if you go state by state in the battlegrounds, she's ahead in virtually every one of them. i don't see what he's going to do to recover.
i think what he did in the debate was get himself a few more republicans who really dislike the clintons, but he's stuck at about 39 or 40%. he can't win the election with that 39 or 40%. >> it's true, you did say the race was over labor day. you told me that. you're being consistent. now we move to the tiebreaker here, dave cotchel, republican, but not a big fan of donald trump's. give us the clear, unbiased view, dave. is the race over? >> yeah, i'll be the tiebreaker. the race is over. time of death was about 10:00 the night of the first debate. it's been downhill ever since. and you know, you can't bring one or two peep into the front door of the party while you're pushing 20 or 30 out the back. so it's over and it's been long over and we're just on the slide now to see what happens in the last 30 days. >> i want to ask all of you a question -- go ahead, gary. >> i'm sorry. go on. >> i'll start with gary, but i want you all the to address
this. you've all supported candidates who have done bad things in their personal lives, every one of you has. gary, you're supporting a candidate now who on friday was revealed to have done things that horrifies a lot of people, disgusts a lot of people. what would donald trump have to do for you to withdraw your support, if it wasn't that tape? >> look, i -- i don't even think in those terms, in all due respect. everybody -- i know this might be news to some folks, but everybody that has ever run for any office in america and every voter that has voted for them, three lo theologically, according to my beliefs as christians, are centers. they've all said things, done things, violated various -- >> but gary -- >> let me just finish the thought. >> okay, go ahead. >> it's policy that matters. and the fact of the matter is that donald trump has the right positions on growing the economy, shrinking government,
lower taxes, pro-life, defending religious liberty, and hillary clinton is engaged in a cover-up of her corruption and an polyester f apologist for her husband. >> so gary, why don't you forgive that? if you're personally and theologically -- >> it's not me to forgive. i don't oppose them because of their activities. i oppose them because they're wrong philosophically. >> but you've -- >> her mishandling -- >> many reporters of donald trump have been critical of president clinton, for instance, for his personal failings. why are you less forgiving personally and theologically for that? >> i don't speak for every evangelical or every value voters. >> i understand. i'm trying to understand. >> the issues ought to be the differences on policy between the candidates. it's night and day -- >> have you ever -- >> by the way, al gore was down in florida campaigning for hillary clinton today.
i seem to remember that al gore was publicly accused of being a sexual assaulter by multiple massagers in multiple cities in -- and she campaigns with him in florida today. >> would you forgive him for that and say he's a sinner and forgive him? >> i'm pointing out the hypocrisy of the left acting like a ten-year-old tape is somehow horrifying when the left in this country has been associated with radical social policies. >> bob, let me ask you to critique gary's answers. >> well, i think it's absurd. i think it's entirely unfair to bring up that charge against al gore, which was never substantiated. the -- what donald trump did, what he said, has come out of his own mouth. >> what he said. what he said. >> gary, i didn't interrupt you, so why don't you not interrupt me, okay -- >> well, this guy -- >> gary, don't interrupt!
you can't win the argument by interrupting. what donald trump said 10 or 11 years ago when he was, by the way, a 59-year-old man, not some college kid, was outrageous. but he's said things like it over and over and over again pch he's said them in this game to megyn kelly. he said them in the first debate -- he just does it over and over and over again. i mean, i could go through all the quotes. piggy, i mean, we've seen them all. this is who he is. and i think it makes it very -- >> anything but the issues, right, bob? >> -- to take somebody that unstable. it's not just about his private sexual conduct or his private sexual comments or his attitudes towards women, it's somebody who is so unstable, so anxious to be vengeful, so ready to strike out, that makes him unacceptable as president of the united states. >> dave kochel, how do you think speaker ryan -- >> mishandling classified information, appeasing iran --
>> stop it. stop it. >> how would you evaluate how speaker ryan has handled the last 48 hours? >> well, he's in a difficult situation. i mean, it's lose/lose. what are you going to do at this point? the strategy they needed was a few months ago that mike coffman in colorado used, which is, look, don't give hillary clinton a blank check. they've known for a long time the direction this campaign was headed. and gary bauer can twist hills into whatever kind of pretzel he wants to. the truth is, we're going to have to come up with a whole new definition of hypocrisy to, you know, to talk about how, you know, the religious right is supporting a guy like donald trump, even after what's come out. and by the way, we haven't seen the last of it. there's plenty more. i would say run for your lives. what i can't -- i understand what donald trump is doing right now. i understand, you know, the situation the campaign is in. what i can't understand is anybody defending him. he's going to napalm the whole village and, you know, to try to win a battle that is lost
already. the problem is, you know, nobody survives in the village when it's all over. we've got to get as far away from this thing as we possibly can, as republicans, and define what the party is on november 9th. that will probably be the most important day of this election. >> that would be great to define what the matter is. two-thirds of republican voters felt betrayed by the republican party. >> -- get together, i'll support mr. trump. but the truth is, we can't win an election this way. we've never seen a candidate implode like this 28 days out from election. >> gary, i'll ask you a couple of questions, but while i do it, i'll ask you to please do not talk over the other guests on the show. it's not helpful to our viewers. >> i guess i watched too much of the kaine debate. >> i understand. a minute ago, you were asking about how this should all be about policy and then launched
anned a homon ed ad hominem att gore. so do you want to talk about policy, or a former presidential candidate who's done one campaign event in this presidential campaign so far? >> i'm trying to figure out whether the left is serious about sexual assault -- >> i don't want to hear about the left, gary. you said you wanted to talk about policy and literally the next words out of your mouth were, al gore, masseuses. policy -- >> do you want me to answer your question or filibuster your own show? >> well, it is my show, so -- >> i'm trying to figure out whether these issues of personal conduct actually matter or not to the left? that's the only thing they're raising about donald trump. they're afraid to fight on the issues of open borders, trade deals that gut our economy, appeasement of iran. go down the list. if the campaign was about those issues, hillary clinton wouldn't see the light of day. >> so gary, let me -- >> so all the left has with
their -- with their republican friends, is to try to smear the republican candidate. and by the way, i can't ever imagine harry reid or nancy pelosi bailing out on a democrat presidential candidate. in fact, they didn't say a word when hillary clinton spent the last three years obstructing justice and destroying evidence that was central to an investigation of her mishandling of classified information. >> bob, there's a lot to work with there. i'm going to -- i'm going to let you pick and choose what you would like to respond to there. gary, if you can just let bob speak, please. >> one, these are completely baseless attacks on hillary clinton. she said using a private e-mail server was a mistake. she's not going to make excuses for it. there's no evidence that anybody got hold of any confidential information because of that. the fbi director, who's a republican, said there's no basis to move forward here.
that's number one. number two, the recipe that gary is offering for the republican party to go forward is a recipe that would doom that party for a long time. if you look at the polling data, it is absolutely clear that americans are far closer, by a good majority, to hillary clinton's positions on immigration reform than they are to donald trump's. if the republican party is going to go out there and say, we want to take away a woman's right to choose, we want to restrict the rights of women, we don't respect women, we don't believe in equal pay, or we're going to take away lbgt rights and religious freedom is their kind of euphemism for that, that republican party will lose with the rising american electorate, not on thi year but for years and years to come. >> okay -- >> finally, i just have to say, al gore is one of the most honorable people i've ever met. those allegations are entirely unsubstantiated. and gary is just throwing mud to try to make a case for somebody for whom you cannot make a case. it was donald trump who smeared
himself. no one else smeared him. >> let's finish with some metrics here. i wanted to start with dave, then bob, then gary. tell me, who's going to win and what percentage of the overall popular vote they're going to get. >> dave? >> hillary clinton's going to win, overall percentage of the popular vote is going to be around 47, 48. and electorally, it will be, you know, over 100 electoral votes. although, i will say that there's a possibility that donald trump could win a state or two that governor romney did not win. there will be that many states or many that he will lose that governor romney did win. >> bob, i know you think hillary is going to win. what percentage of the popular vote is she going to get? >> i think dave's about right. i think it's 46, 47, 48% of the vote. and i think she's headed right now for around 340, 345 electoral votes. >> gary, tougher for you, because your guy is currently behind. what number does he need to get,
will he get to win? >> yeah, you know, i'm not even going to go down that road. i'm not a political prosticater, but i do believe, god forbid if hillary clinton wins, it will be a failed presidency, because it will be the same policies of the last eight years that have devastated our economy and weakened us abroad. >> um, gary bauer, bob shrum, dave kochel. >> heretofore known forever more as the three amigos. >> with that, you guys were great. we'll have you back here on the show. it would be great to have you in the same room, because there would be fisticuffs. and we love fisticuffs. up next, two reporters on this show talking about hillary clinton's attempts to convert republican voters. we'll be right back with them. from long island to buffalo, from rochester to the hudson valley, from albany to utica, creative business incentives, infrastructure investment,
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♪ only those who dare drive the world forward. the cadillact6. now two political reporters who have been covering this campaign oh, so closely. ann guerin from "the washington post," caitlin hughey burns from real clear politics. thank you both for being hear. and tell me you're currently wondering about regarding this campaign. what are you wondering about? >> i'm wondering how hillary clinton is going to fill 27 days of active -- mostly active campaigning and do so without, you know, either opening up a controversy, making a mistake, but keeping the momentum going. she tried today, to do a little bit of that, by introducing a new policy proposal.
she actually hasn't introduced any new policy proposals. >> and trotting out al gore. >> there you go. it was a twofer. so al gore and climate change in florida and also a middle class tax credit. that was the sort of thing she was doing months ago, to do at this late in the campaign when it really doesn't actually draw any discernible new demographic or voter group to her, suggests to me thathere looking for some ways that they can start to make the argument, look, i'm actually going to be president and here how i would govern. here's a few things i would do right off the bat. >> caitlin, they've been very cautious in brooklyn saying, we're just trying to get 270. we're not trying to win in a landslide. is it possible they're rethinking that now? >> i think they have to. looking at the polling heading into the weekend, before all of this news broke, donald trump was behind nationally and in key battleground states. now we're seeing the polling widen, actually. the nbc/"wall street journal"
poll had 11 points before the debate. now it's nine. the trump campaign is saying that's an improvement, of sorts. that they think the debate for them was a -- will have a rallying effect among their debates among some republicans and we've seen that play into the calculations that paul ryan is thinking about. but this is -- in our real clear politics average polling, clinton is leading in every state except iowa. leading in places like, you know, obviously, virginia and colorado, but also pennsylvania by wide margins. florida now. this is a really tough race. >> so you have been writing about what's going on capitol hill right now with paul ryan and this whole kind of anarchy in the republican party. mark and i are old enough to remember covering the 1996 race, where there's one precedent when something like this happened? what's different and similar between the '96/dole precedent and the ryan precedent? >> the only thing that's similar is if you're thinking about
shifting resources and focusing on congressional races, what's different, though, dramatically and significantly, is you had bob dole going along with that plan in 1996. donald trump has no part in this plan. he is not, as we know, a cheerleader for his own party, as we saw today. bob dole was very much a person of the party. that's a huge, significant different. and that's why you're seeing the backlash that paul ryan is receiving from trump supporters that i've talked to on the campaign trail, but also through people e-mailing and saying, we're leaving the republican party, because of this. but then on the flip side of that, you have donald trump lashing out at people who he says are disloyal to him. >> so hillary clinton will be in pueblo, colorado, tomorrow, which is republican colorado, not democratic colorado, and there's been a long-running debate about trying to cleave them off of trump and trying to rev up the base. that's an argument going on for
six months. where are they in trying to find that balance? >> i think they're still trying to find the balance. it's interesting the place she's going tomorrow is in the republican part of the state, but it is a classic swing county, voted for bush twice and obama twice. that is exactly where they have been focused for the last six weeks or so, on counties like that, certainly pennsylvania, some places in ohio, it seems that she's actually made some headway there. she's now in your average, you know, less than a point ahead in ohio, after being 3 to 5 points behind. and in colorado, where she's actually been doing pretty well, i see this as a sign of confidence and hope that at least, within states even where she's already doing pretty well, that they can even do a little better. >> our colleague, mark liebowitz of "the new york times" magazine story, in an interview with hillary clinton, she seems -- i wouldn't say giddy, but pretty
confident and loose. you've watched her as closely as anyone. is she faking it or does she seem confident and loose? >> she's definitely confident and a little looser after the debate the other night. she came to the back of the plane and us with pretty jocular and loose and relaxed. and she did not, you know, she didn't get universally great notices from that performance, but i think is she's feeling that even if she didn't knock it out of the park, at the debate, that they're riding pretty high. >> all right. anne gearan, thank you. caitlin huey-burns, thank you. hope you both come back soon. we'll be right back with more "with all due respect" right after this. we started doing animation. with the surface book, you can do all this stuff. you can actually drawn the screen. so crisp. i love it. it's almost like this super powerful computer and a tablet had the perfect baby. it's a typewriter for writing scripts...
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one side. because the democrats who in the 1990s said, well, bill clinton is a good man who did a bad thing, both parties want to basically say, well, our side, we can forgive them because their policies are so great, but then they both criticize the other side. democrats were in high dungeon about what donald trump said. there are plenty of democrats who have done worse in their lives and they're willing to forgive that. both sides have adopted this attitude. and they all say, well, we really want to talk about policy, but then they don't. >> and i like gary bauer, i want to have him back on the show, but the starkness of, i want to talk about policy. oh, by the way, al gore with those masseuses. >> without a doubt. but you can have a lot of democratic examples on this program and many others. >> peace. we'll be back with more in just a moment. if you're watching us in washington, d.c., you can listen to us on the radio, f.m. 99.1. we'll be right back. using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the framework...
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