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Hes subject to using military force when he thinks its justified. i would not dally at all with trump. heres what i think will happen. i think trump will get more realistic about russia. we need to sanction them for what they did in our leak shuel aiding and abetting in a chemical attack. you see a change in policy here. sean spicer said dont use chemical weapons or barrel bombs. i hope -- >> but then they walked that back. they walked that back. then the white house put out a statement after th...

Russia wont fight to the death for assad. >> do you think barrel bombs should be the red line now? >> yes. i think -- i would ground the syrian force -- >> thats a huge escalation, right? you acknowledge thats a huge escalation, right? >> yes. its long overdue. i would tell president trump you did a great thing by enforcing the chemical weapons violation. its not about how you killed the babies, its the fact that youre slaughtering innocent people through air power. if it were not for the syrian...

Is that, to use your phraseology from the weekend, is that an f-u to the united states? >> putin is a weak figure when you look at it hes dominating his countsry by killing opposition. hes stolen his people blind. by not meeting with tillerson hes trying to act tough but it shows his weakness. the fact he wont meet with tillerson tells me truch dmp die right thing. >> really? how does it mean he did the right thing? dont you want to force russia to the negotiating table? how does them not meetin...

Well establish safe havens. heres what i think russia would do. if they saw assad begin to lose militarily, they would go to geneva wh geneva. what do they want in syria? a presence. i dont mind them having a presence in syria. i dont want them having a streveto over syria the only way to get russias attention and change the balance of power in syria is for russia to pay a price. i hope the president will embrace sanctions im introduce. ill amend a paragraph for russia aiding and abetting sye r ...

Lay out what the plan is, lay space out what evidence they have so we can move forward. >> congresswoman has been facing skepticism for that position that she took. some big democratic names including howard dean, theyre calling on her to be primaried over this. do you think that she should be? >> well, i think what shes doing is shes taking her responsibility as an individual elected official seriously and she is entitled to her opinion, but at the same time, what you just said, she has not bee...

I would like the president to make the case that assad has to go, its in our national security interest that he go, that the caliphate, isil what to be destroyed. we will create safe havens for the syrian people so theyre no longer slaughtered in the future. we will help them rebuild their army, the free syrian army, and theyll go after assad, thats how he leads. yeah, i want a policy thats real clear. assad must go. you can no longer use the syrian air force against the opposition without conse...

Need out of this country. the world is looking at us. this president took on that responsibility and he needs to act responsibly. his team neets ds to get their together. this is not a one off situation. >> where is the red line? where should the red line be, congressman? >> well, the red line should be that assad is someone who is a tyra tyrant and should not be there. >> let me ask you this. the governments view is that assad and his regime were behind the attack. your democratic colleague was...

States regarding assad? i think its clear from ambassador haley and secretary tillerson, that the trump administration believes assad has to go. i think its pretty clear they view the russians differently. if you dont believe the russians aided and abetted assad, thats naive. heres what i would tell the president, its not how the babies die, its the fact that assad is just slaughtering his own people. hes changed the military equation on the ground by using air power with the help of russia and ...

Syria the best thing we can do for syria is create a safe haven so women are not raped and murdered, babies are not barrel bombed and chemically attacked. that safe haven to me is the key to going forward. if this is one and done, i dont think we accomplished the goal. we have to follow up. >> heres part of the issue. we heard from a lot of folks in the administration, there have been some mixed messages. the one person we have not heard on specifically what is the united states policy towards s...

Ultimatum, that they have to drop support for assad right now, his response was, well, were calling on russia to change its course. kate? >> michelle, high stakes and just the stakes getting higher as the hours tick by and tillerson lands in moscow. lets talk about this and everything that this means with south carolina republican senator lindsey graham. he joins me now. thank you very much for coming in. >> thank you. >> as michelle was laying out, this is an important meeting, maybe the toug...