on peacock and hillary clinton s presidential campaign manager in 2016. good to see you guys. joel, to start with you just because you re a little bit you ve seen a little bit more history than simone who is a young, dynamic and vibrant. thanks, john. you re more of of a grizzled he s calling you old, joel. he s calling you old. joel got that. basically boasting about joel biden s historic accomplishments, he essentially didn t say it. he s saying it to all of the people in pundit world who said joe biden will never be fdr, he ll never be lbj and ron is basically without saying that he s basically saying, he kind of is on a historic basis, although if you look at the scale of the accomplishments. i guess my question to you as someone who studied public opinion, can you move the needle
tone down the radical people and get them back into the sunlight. michael steele, because you re the former chairman of the republican party, this question has to go to you. you know, in the time of the trump era, political violence is a real prospect here and people will have blood on their hands and the january 6th insurrection happened and there was blood on people s hands and it s not just a donald trump phenomenon. you go back to the to the to the bombing of the murrah building in oklahoma city back in 1995. sure. this has been brewing in our politics for a long time and it is still amazing that the party you chaired who used to be the biggest lovers of the fbi and the greatest supporters of law enforcement that they have become not just not supporters, but active opponents and saying things that are putting lives on
somehow, this was a more elaborate grift of some kind. where do you come down on the basis of the way you know him, whether he s been a narcissist or trying to be machiavelli. i think both could be true at the same time. he is a narcissist, but if he sees any way he can cut a deal he wrote a book about making deals that s what he will do, and which side he s protecting or dealing with here, we don t know, but he s capable of both sides. well, he s incapable of not doing both sides, since you asked the question. and let s remember, as soon as he was in office, he had lavrov in the oval office and was dealing with some classified papers on his desk in the oval office right there. we covered it on this air. i don t know why we re so surprised. if a guy would brag to the head russian that was meeting with him representing putin about,
cocktail napkin and backdating it? what s that going to look like? i ll be curious to see what sort of defense he mounts with the team he s got around him. rev, you have the longest history of everybody in this group with donald trump. known him longest, seen him as an operator, a player in new york, as a grifter, a brand merchant, a publicity hound, all that stuff. and people don t change. i mean, the things that you have been a great analyst of him because you ve known him for so long and seen how he operated in various situations. this question that miles just raised is, i think, fundamental. you have people like john bolton who was on our air earlier this week saying, why did trump take these documents? i don t know, but he likes cool stuff. you know? he wants french fries. next day, he wants secret documents. and an amazing number of people believe like, trump says, i want it so i just take it. other people say, there s no doubt he had some scheme in place to benefit from it
join too. i don t think you re going to. joel, i know you re not on truth social. thank you both for coming on. in the 5:00 hour, what four seasons total landscaping has to do with donald trump s legal strategy related to mar-a-lago and classified documents. the next hour of deadline white house will answer that question, and it starts right after this quick break. t question, and it starts right after this quick break