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Gets trapped into perjury. when you tell me that, you know, he should testify because hes going to tell the truth and he shouldnt worry, well, thats so silly because its somebodys version of the truth, not the truth. he didnt have a conversation -- >> truth is truth. i dont mean to go, like -- >> no, it isnt truth. truth isnt truth. >> truth isnt truth. but its not the first time weve heard a message like this from the president and his team. listen to this. >> youre saying its a falsehood, and ...