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By efforts to marginalize him and say you are just an aberration. hes not an aberration. among the birther, secessionist militia, margin on the far right, this racism is one of the elements, its like a toxic undercurrent. it has long fed the ideology of these folks. conservative republicans and sort of -- maybe less intelligent talk show types who jump on the bandwagon, the anti-government bandwagon, beating up on the new shiny object, the bureau of land management, without thinking about two st...

But that takes time and leadership. i think president obama has opted too often for photo ops centrism instead of the real substance of it. i think he can be faulted. i think he has been genuinely trying to reach out and met more often than not with a closed fist rather than an open hand. >> peter, you put a lot of politicians on your list. not sort of talk show hosts. do you think the politicians are really leading the charge, not the talk show types? >> theyre under pressure from the talk show...

Trying to reach out and met more often than not with a closed fist rather than an open hand. peter, you put a lot of politicians on your list, not sort of talk show hosts. do you think the politicians are really leading the charge, not the talk show types? >> under pressure from the talk show host, i think that is certainly true. the fundamental -- most important thing to understand why it has been so difficult to get things done since barack obama was elected is the fact that republicans fill b...

Elements, its like a toxic undercurrent. it has long fed the ideology of these folks. conservative republicans and sort of -- maybe less intelligent talk show types who jump on the bandwagon, the anti-government bandwagon, beating up on the new shiny object, the bureau of land management, without thinking about two steps ahead, wait a minute, who is this guy and whats behind some of this rhetoric. >> late this afternoon, bundy gave another press conference where he tried to explain what he meant...