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Southern country lawyers. because, you know, wed be in trial. and it would be for a week. and it would be ugly for one day. the second day would be ugly. finally, there would be like a break after the third or fourth day. and what would happen? everybody would wander out. they would be in recess. and then the two lawyers would run into each other and say hey, how you doing? then theyd go off to a side room and just talk. theyd go, boy. and then theyd start talking, complaining about their client...

But weve got a bunch -- we dont have any true great teams that were going to say 20 years from now, remember the teams of 2013. well have a champion that will always be remembered, but im not sure that the top teams were going to be talking about them in 20 years. >> theres no team in this tournament that can keep up with duke in 86. >> no. >> thats true. >> yeah, that was special. >> that was called a doughnut team. hole in the middle. >> had nothing to do with dawkins. look at this guy. look a...

Thats another important one-on-one conversation, one that hasnt been happening a lot until recent weeks. and so the fact that people are talking maybe to outsiders, youd say, isnt that what people do? not in washington. so the fact that they are talking, thats a good thing. >> so jim, wheres the wiggle room, then? who budges if mitch mcconnell, if john boehner dont want to move on revenue and wont for the sake of their jobs, among other things, where does that movement come on that side in terms...

For more than two hours. that there was a really encouraging sign. honest conversation, im told, about some of the problems in both parties at getting to some sort of a big grand bargain deal. they talked about taxes. they talked about changes. to medicare. it was really described as very positive and constructive. i was also told that they expect the president will do a similar kind of thing with democratic senators to try to get sort of a framework put together on what to do next, to get to so...