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>> mueller wants to interview the prepondera the president of the united states, who knows nothing, who is not target of the investigation. the president should not agree with an interview. the president should, at the most, answer written questions in a limited area and should never ever be interviewed. there theres a theory this statement was made by bob mueller in an off handed way so people like the rest of us would talk about it and the president would have a false sense of security in goin...

President. that interview environment is extremely dangerous. if hes a subject and not yet a target and they want him to become a target, theyre going to ask him questions, the answers to which will move him into that target category. >> back with me is carol lee. joining the conversation, julia ainsley, nbc news national security and justice reporter. and daniel goldman, former u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. julie, i want to start with you. youre new to the table this bloc...

Rosensteins selection of mueller to head the special counsel today when they picked bob mueller, they picked a prosecutorial assassin. that may help explain why trumps favorite tv lawyers are advising him not to sit down with mueller ever. we dont have that, but if you watch any fox news, which ive been here for the late shift this week, you were last night, you could see anyone from joe digenova to alan dershowitz to judge napolitano to chris christie telling the president whatever you do, do n...

And he did it on fox news. >> stay away from that, mr. president, that interview environment is extremely dangerous. if hes a subject and not yet a target and want him to become a target, theyre going to ask him questions, the answers to which will move him into that target category. >> hes not yet the presidents lead criminal defense lawyer but the president doesnt have a lead criminal defense lawyer anymore. so andrew is probably as close as well get. lets bring in josh ernest and the rest of ...

If hes a subject and not yet a target and want him to become a target, theyre going to ask him questions, the answers to which will move him into that target category. >> hes not yet the presidents lead criminal defense lawyer but the president doesnt have a lead criminal defense lawyer anymore. so andrew is probably as close as well get. lets bring in josh ernest and the rest of the panel is back with us. im joking, of course, about andrew, hes happy at fox news he doesnt need to represent the ...

Persuade them why they shouldnt. steve: is he not target. >> is he not a target it could change depending on what evidence comes to them a subject is somebody who is the topic of an ongoing criminal investigation that has not yet ended. as much as i want the president to be able to be president and not have this on his back, i encourage him not to relax and not to rejoice. they are still pursuing things. there is a theory that this statement was made by bob mueller in an off handed way so that p...

Dealmaker all at the same time? >> right. so he is -- status is that hes the target of muellers investigation. i think theres no question but that he is a target for failings to register as a foreign agent, possible money laundering with turkish moneys coming to him in the flynn intel group, same with his son, failures to disclose truthfully his meetings on intelligence forms and on financial disclosure forms, the sf 86. no question his conduct puts nim a target category. as a target, though, th...