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Is it going to be an agreement to at least have spending caps? is it going to be a full-fledged grand barge jn what are the realistic expectations for whats coming in june? >> chuck, its important to sort of go back to the principles. this is not a commission. the president asked the leaders of congress to designate leaders to come and meet with the vice president and his economic team to work through and negotiate. thats very different than a commission. so i think -- >> okay. >> the notion of ...