surprise to hear one of the nb producers who is in there an around tell us over the phon that, when he was booked, he said you are really going to arrest me? because this was not reveale to him this was not something that ha actually, before today it was, i want to do the perp walk, want to wear the handcuffs, want to be the murder so t speak. visually but once it became real, lik this is happening, it was very different - >> until now, again, these are all fundraising tactics. remember when he invented, i a going to be indicted o tuesday. the only thing that happened o that tuesday, he raised million and a half box david i see you nodding your head, do you want to weigh in? >> the fundraising in this case, a lot of it it's going to ge funneled back up to his lega defense team this is something that benefit him politically, but als personally it is saving him money if he raises money from donors today, he can use it to pay as lawyers tomorrow so the grift here, or the sale
this all about how he is shaking the money tree for himself? >> i think if you have a bag of, cash you get donald trump' attention. that was at the core of th trump university case. that whole thing got hashed by somebody who is walking into his office and saying, you could just teach real estate courses and i coul fundamentally can make a lot o money. and the family, i think, was organized from the get-go unde fred's architecture as a ghosting enterprise, in a lo of ways. there is a lot of legitimacy t some of his business practices but ultimately he got pushed out of public housing programs that were the bedrock of the trump family's world because h tried to grift against the federal government and the state of new york. the myth that the family tol themselves coming out of tha was that the government took their candia way, now that fre trump was a grifter and he caught the family and travel
that >> no. yes, he can make a motio saying that, questioning how the judge was selected, like how was it that this ended u before this judge? that's probably a loser becaus this judge had the trump organization case and the -- silver case, so it is relate to matters this is obviously a very goo judge, there is not going to b anything about something tha he did that improper you can make the motion, i will be denied i was going to say about the money part, one of the thing that is very interesting i they use his cheapness against him in this indictment, becaus he wants to claim the malone defense, that i didn't do this because of the 2016 election, was paying all this money and was doing this because didn' want melania to know that i ha been a scoundrel that does the defense, it's no about the campaign, it's about
investigation. that the original sin, the cas with stormy daniels, the payof of stormy daniels, the thing that launched this wider investigation, that at the end of it all, the case rests on that starting point. somebody was covered all the ins and outs between now and then, it is a little disappointing to find out that we were basically where we wer in 2017, but it is fascinating to brew this case has taken. >> tim, there is one thing tha you have told us at msnbc fo the last eight years it has always been about the grift. it is always been about trump' self enrichment. even think about the last fe weeks, since this indictment was announced, is raised $ million. yesterday, raising money in th motorcade on the way to th airport. this morning, this is my las email before i arrested. while he's getting fingerprinted, his campaig sends out an email, if you giv a donation, here's a fre t-shirt with donald trump' mugshot. there is not even been a mugshot. at the end of the, day isn't
he is trying to shake the judge, he is going after the judge' family, but it is the judg himself who would have t recuse himself is there any sign that trump's moves are going to initiat that >> no. yes, he can make a motio saying that, questioning how the judge was selected, like how was it that this ended u before this judge? that's probably a loser becaus this judge had the trump organization case and the -- silver case, so it is relate to matters this is obviously a very goo judge, there is not going to b anything about something tha he did that improper you can make the motion, i will be denied i was going to say about the money part, one of the thing that is very interesting i they use his cheapness against
people in history bein arrested today >> she needs to take her - back to washington >> nelson mandela served tim in prison. jesus was arrested >> do your job marjorie taylor greene, you do not need the ne york city talking about that nonsense >> if this man's name was no donald j trump, there is n scenario that we would be ou here today, based on these charges. >> these are felony crimes i new york state, no matter wh you are. >> the country is going to hav -- >> good evening once again, am stephanie ruhle this was the unbelievable, yet very real image from today former president donald john trump, now a 2024 candidate in a new york courthouse, arrested, fingerprinted, and charged wit 34 felony counts of falsifying business records during his arraignment, no criminal defendant john j trum pleaded not guilty to all of the counts and no mugshot wa taken. the case stands from his alleged role in hush money payments towards the end of hi 2016 campaign. according to a manhattan da, alvin bragg, trump quote repeatedly and fraudulentl falsified new york busines records to conceal crimina conduct that he had damaging information from the votin public during a 2016 presidential election. while the da's investigation focused on the 130,000 dolla payment to stormy daniels, prosecutors accused trump of organizing a wire scheme the plan was to influence th 2016 race by purchasin
which i think he should, i think there is going to be a espionage act charge possibl against him, and insurrectio charges related to january 6th that is a tarp bit of a lega weight against him and i think you are starting to see it he looks merciless and tired and angry today in court, an even when he was at mar-a-lago tonight giving his rebuttal to the charges, he was essentiall this a stew of resentment an psycho babble and emotiona flawed some, but he was no making the case to be somebody who could have access to nuclear codes again. >> is that why they always g back to the money? it is the scorecard that donal trump loves the most when joe tacopina was talkin today, he is his crimina defense attorney and what did he say? trump is raising more mone than ever. what does tacopina even care >> it is, i mean you look at the way that his business ha been structured.
cannot constrain him he is who he is. truth matters little to him. what is right matters even less, and decency matters not at all >> democratic congressman adam schiff is no stranger to building a case against donald trump. he was the lead impeachmen manager during the first trump impeachment, and a member of the january six committee. is not running for senate in california, and joins us now congressman, what is you reaction to the 34 charges w saw laid out today >> well, reading the indictment reading the factual statement saying donald trum said at the defendants table t me, this is what accountabilit looks like this is what the rule of law i supposed to look like. that is whether you are high and mighty, whether you are th president of the united states or an average citizen, you break the law, and you are hel accountable. it will be up to a jury to decide whether the prosecutors met the burden of proof that i proof beyond a reasonable doub of the defendants guilt, but i think this is what accountability looks like fo the manhattan district attorne is follow the evidence, an decide that if anybody else we
the evidence, and this is wher it led him >> you are a former prosecutor how would you approach these charges? >> very much the way alvin bragg is, that is letting th evidence speak in th courtroom. not saying much outside th courtroom, treating th defendant like any other defendant, that is how i think he handled the case, i'm impressed at the grand jur maintains such secrecy, that w were wondering what kind o charges, how many, et cetera until they were revealed you know, i will say, th justice department and moved with a greater sense of urgenc as a prosecutor, i would alway want to see the most serious charges brought first by the office that has the most capacity to bring those charge that would be the department o justice. that is not the fault of the manhattan da, the manhattan da brought the case forward whe it was ready to be, brough when the evidence was there, i would hope that the justic
trump tax case, alle weisselberg's case what stood out to you toda about the da's charges >> i think it is interesting that they are looking at a potential state tax charge i still have a lot of question about how that is going to b handled. we know that the legal fees, they claim they were legal fee when they were really th reimbursement to stormy daniels, so we see there that we've got the books and records charge what i am sort of confused about, and it will b interesting, there was information that came out from bragging today was just very brag about what exactly thei tax crime is he does not say after he ver carefully details how michae cohen's payment was handled. he does not, cnn the trump organization filed the stuff o a tax return it. is very silent, and i am jus not clear that it ended up actually getting filed bragged did not go there, an joe tacopina as said it di not. he gave a statement the othe day saying that they were neve filed anywhere, they were neve filed with the irs they never took deduction. so it just just going to b interesting to see what exactl happened michael cohen, i do not know i he filed it on his tax returns you know he needed something from the trump organization to say that he got income coming, in or maybe he didn't, but i just think that we do not ye know how is handled. it does not necessarily have t been filed, i think to be --