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jeanine pirro, harold ford jr. alon smith and will cain. its 5:00 in new york city. and this is the five ron desantis and gavin newsom throwing down in th e epic red versus blue state debate on "hannity". >> the two hige h profileh governors talking trash for months and finally getting the chanceinally to hammer each others record face to face. >> they tx much, they regulate too much. they have a political agenda. the for aa good climat business. >> theyve lost a lot of companies. cali...

Who are afraid to send their kids to school, because not enough kids are masked or vaccinated. >> superintendent, you received a letter from the federal education secretary, who has said, i want you to know that the i want you to know tha th theyre even saying that they will -- that youll be able to use affordable care act funds to pay educators if the governor withholds salaries in contravention of the mandate. what do you think will happen here. how is this going to end? will teachers and up d...

Unfortunately, we have been taught through generation of sexual abuse and that you just dont talk about it. bureau -- the bureau of justice statistics released date tha th 60% of black women experienced violent sexual atault before the age of 18. a lot of those women in the concert are themselves victims. >> i want you to respond to that. there was this cascade of allegations and stories that came out about many men. are you seeing that is that right to change when things are made against black ...

Feed stocks in their chemical companies. so theyre moving new production into the u.s. and that creates greater job opportunities, that creates a demographic shift, higher household formation. >> you also have -- one of the things interesting, we excerpted in our current issue. we love meredith. i thought was interesting is the way these governors are kind of competing to bring companies and thats a big part of the story now, more so than ever before. you mentioned how mitch daniels tha th has d...

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And only because of what we did here last night did he correct his position today and today he is saying its up to harry reid where yesterday, since he has never actually been involved in real legislating, he did not know how the process worked and thought and is used to getting away with saying anything he wants to. but im going to let you hold to your view of this -- >> no, no. but what im saying is the explanation they gave me today is in a way much more cynical. >> okay. i get that. lets lis...