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The fact of the matter is is that any solution that does not include in this country, we rely on a system of health insurance that raises the cost for all of us and excludes many of us, t not going to solve the problem. medicare for all, single payer, does that thing. we have to keep driving the conversation about what we ought to do rather than hold ourselves hostage to an insecurity of a few driven by folks who sthand to make a lot of money on the other side of this. >> let me push back on thi...

New, or their distrust or fear about it, is some concocted thing by the health insurance industry, feels a little bit like didnt actually square with reality, like, people are scared of big new things vis-a-vis health care, in fact, canada phased in their single-payer system province by province for basically that reason. >> i tell you this -- >> its hard every single time. the thing you end up in here, you have on one hand the industry then you have the public. >> right. >> theres a convergence...